Hama & Arwen

By Flrbb, in Strategy and deck-building

Has anyone thought about a deck focussing on synergies around Arwen (hero) and Hama?

With Arwen, Silver Harp and Elven-Light are a good choice, also Unexpected Courage and A Test of Will are accessible.

With Hama, Quick Strike and Feint seem a good choice. Also, Foe-Hammer and Goblin Cleaver (with some weapon attachments on Hama are nice).

I think the synergies betwen these cards, once pointed out, are obvious.

Did someone has constucted a deck around these cards, yet? I'd love to see that card listing!

This deck uses Eowyn to put Elven Light in the discard (but Dunhere could be Arwen easily), and it still needs to make some cuts, but:

Spirit/Tactics Rohan

Total Cards: 59

Heroes (starting threat: 26)
Dúnhere (Core Set)
Háma (The Long Dark)
Éowyn (Core Set)
Allies (28)
1x Beorn (Core Set)
1x Boromir (The Road Darkens)
2x Guthlaf (The Blood of Gondor)
3x Horseback Archer (Core Set)
1x Legolas (The Treason of Saruman)
2x Elfhelm (The Dead Marshes)
3x Escort from Edoras (A Journey to Rhosgobel)
2x Gamling (The Land of Shadow)
2x Háma (The Treason of Saruman)
3x The Riddermark's Finest (The Hills of Emyn Muil)
3x West Road Traveller (Return to Mirkwood)
2x Éomund (Conflict at the Carrock)
3x Gandalf (Core Set)
Attachments (15)
3x Blade of Gondolin (Core Set)
1x Firefoot (The Dunland Trap)
1x Horn of Gondor (Core Set)
3x Spear of the Mark (The Morgul Vale)
3x Ancient Mathom (A Journey to Rhosgobel)
1x Herugrim (The Treason of Saruman)
1x Snowmane (The Land of Shadow)
2x Unexpected Courage (Core Set)
Events (16)
3x Feint (Core Set)

3x Foe-hammer (Over Hill and Under Hill)
2x A Test of Will (Core Set)
2x Dwarven Tomb (Core Set)
3x Elven-light (The Dread Realm)
3x The Galadhrim's Greeting (Core Set)

Edited by Kakita Shiro

So what is the ideal plan for the restricted attachments you have? Blade, Firefoot, Horn, Spear, Herugrim and Snowmane?

So what is the ideal plan for the restricted attachments you have? Blade, Firefoot, Horn, Spear, Herugrim and Snowmane?

Like I said, needs cuts.

Yes, indeed. Needs some cuts; at least the Hama ally is not of use in the deck. :)

Anyway, interesting to the that listing of your thoughts. It differs from what I've tried so far. I had Mabulung as 3rd hero. Because of all the red events do not need so much resources I had in my test game way to much of them. In the end it would have been better if I had used Gondorian Fire. So I switched to tactitcs Aragorn - still two red heros, minor synergies to my original strategy and Arwen can place resources on Aragorn, too. Worked better. But lost my testing game, in that specific case because of I could not get the draw engine (3x Foe-Hammer, 2x Elven-Light and 2x Silver Harp) to run.

So I switched to the heroes of yours, but basically kept my deck (no Rohan allies, but silvan/noldor, mostly for willpower reasons), but switching the weapon attachments. Guess what; I've ended with more or less red cards on my hand. I was lucky and had one copy of Silver Harp, Feint, Blade of Gondolin and Spear of the Mark in my starting hand. Even the one Faint (with Silver Harp) kept my red resources down low. I think, this one red resource per round is not enough, although 2x Spear of the Mark, Quick Strikes and Dunhere is an excelent combo.

Probably sticking to rohan heroes would be a good choice. Eoywn, Hama and Theoden (red) came to my mind, but a playmate of mine uses Theoden a lot, so I guess this is not a solid option in my case. Still, I have to try out with the balancing of my deck..

Edited by Flrbb

Yes, indeed. Needs some cuts; at least the Hama ally is not of use in the deck. :)

Wow, I really wasn't paying attention to that one.

So what is the ideal plan for the restricted attachments you have? Blade, Firefoot, Horn, Spear, Herugrim and Snowmane?

Like I said, needs cuts.

Is this a solo deck or typically paired with something?

Hey folks, I had some decent success with the folowing deck:

Heroes:

Hama, Theoden (tactics), Arwen

Ally:

3x Galdriels Handmaiden

3x Honour Guard

2x Beorn

3x Curious Brandybuck

Attachments:

2x Silver Harp

2x Snowmane

2x Herugrim

2x Unexpected Courage

1x Captain of Gondor

2x Mighty Prowess

3x Secret Vigil

3x Blade of Gondolin

Events:

3x Quick Strike

2x Goblin Cleaver

3x Foe Hammer

3x Feint

3x A Test of Will

3x Elven Light

3x Elronds Council

Side Quests:

neutral and blue

Setup:

first U.C. to Hama, with a bit luck you can get two events per round back

second U.C. probably on Theoden

1st & 2nd Blade of Gondolin to Hama

3rd Blade to Theoden

Snowmame and Herugim to -surprise- Theoden

Harp to blue Hero

Captain of Gondor to one of the red heroes, dunno. did not show up.

If you have to block then use Beorn, trigger his ability .. card draw was amazing, had another version allready in my hand

Honour Guard was quite near to useless (just flattens spikes), same for Curious Brandybuck. But I wanted to try both of these cards.

With Arwen I had lots of resources, probably I will swap to Eowyn.

3x Gandalf is missing

threat reduction is quite high. quest power feels to low (at least in single player game)

I think, I remove 3x Honour Guard and 3x Elronds Council to add 3x Gandalf and 3x Galadhrim Weaver

Edited by Flrbb

I'd drop the secret vigils before dropping Elrond's Council. In a heart beat. zero cost for +1 WP and -3 threat. or 1 tactics resource for delayed threat reduction that isn't likely going to be better than 3.

If you have to block then use Beorn, trigger his ability ..

I may be misunderstanding here, but why are you triggering his ability when you block?

Edited by Slothgodfather

Since he said he planned on swapping out Arwen for Eowyn, it makes sense for Elrond's Counsel to go away.

I'd drop the secret vigils before dropping Elrond's Council. In a heart beat. zero cost for +1 WP and -3 threat. or 1 tactics resource for delayed threat reduction that isn't likely going to be better than 3.

If you have to block then use Beorn, trigger his ability ..

I may be misunderstanding here, but why are you triggering his ability when you block?

Sure, Elronds is better (if you playing multiplayer maybe not), but as dalestephenson said: I was swapping Arwen for Eowyn. Elronds dosen't make sense then.

On the other thing: not triggering his ability when blocking. After his life is down to 1, due to blocking. Probably I had to be more precise... ;)

So what is the ideal plan for the restricted attachments you have? Blade, Firefoot, Horn, Spear, Herugrim and Snowmane?

Like I said, needs cuts.

Is this a solo deck or typically paired with something?

I haven't played it yet. Pure theory. Probably 2+ players since that's my preference.

Is it me or there's a way to use Hama with Skyward Volley that could deal 4 to 6 damages to ennemies each time Hama attacks?

Is it me or there's a way to use Hama with Skyward Volley that could deal 4 to 6 damages to ennemies each time Hama attacks?

Probably, but you'd need a pretty decent stream of resources and characters with Ranged to exhaust.

Give Boromir Ranged so you can threat up and ready him to pay for the event repeatedly. Get unexpected Courage and/or Rohan Warhorses on Hama to get more attacks out of him. and maybe use Gloin with Song of Mocking to get the most resources possible between him and Steward. Granted, this would have to be late game strategy since you'd need cards to discard to fuel Hama - and need all the attachments in play and the event in the discard pile, so, seems a lot to get going.

Edited by Slothgodfather

I don't think Arwen and Hama have synergy. Both heroes discard cards, which at best is redundant and at worst is anti-synergy. The only reason to put them both together is so that you can get more use out of multiple copies of silver harp or elven light, but I doubt it is worth it. The real synergy is between Hama and elven light.

I also don't think Skyward Volley is a good card with Hama. The main problem with Hama and direct damage events is that if he uses the event to kill the enemy then he has no opportunity to attack to get the event back. This is the same problem with, say, hail of stones. I think if you want to build a deck around recycled direct damage effects you should forget Hama and go with book of eldacar. With a Thalin hero, hail of stones, hand upon the bow, descendent of thorondor/meneldor's flight, you could generate some crazy amounts of direct damage. Hama would be unnecessary.

Edited by DukeWellington

Thanks for the responses, everybody. it could work... but the setup would take around 6 to 10 turns... :mellow: