Again, MajorJuggler isn't saying that the Defender itself is a glass cannon. He is saying VESSORY is technically a glass cannon, because his damage output is so massive.
Almost every non-x7 Defender is also going to be a glass cannon.
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I think the problem is that you're taking a term with an understood and accepted definition and trying to change it. People understand a Glass Cannon as something with high offense and low defense. As much as Vessery's Ruthless Tractor will draw fire, it still has high Agility and 6 combined hull/shields, which put it top tier for small-base craft just based on raw stats. A glass cannon is something that would fall apart after one or two hits. A Defender is still going to require several ships to target it, potentially over several rounds.
Maybe you should rethink your definition of "glass canon". We're talking about a 3AGI, 6HP ship.Vessery + TIE/D + Tractor Beam + Ruthlessness is an absurd glass cannon
Maybe you should rethink what the definition of a glass cannon is.
A ship's position on the scale of "Glass Cannon" vs "Tank" is determined by the ratio of the ship's expected damage output to its expected durability.
A better term would be to call it a Bullet Magnet.
I understand what you're trying to say. But, in the end, you're still misusing a word, and then accusing somebody of being confused because you tried to redefine the word.
If you can find a definition listed anywhere on the web of "Glass Cannon" which defines it as anything other than something with high attack and low defense, I'll be happy to recant. Your terminology is unclear, and I suggested that for clarity you should come up with a better name for something that will draw fire and die if you don't like the perfectly usable and easily understood one I provided for you.
Things referred to as "glass" break easily or are transparent. An easily-knocked-out boxer's glass jaw or a glass ceiling in employment, for example. It's not that something made of glass inherently attracts hooligans who will try to break it, which is how you're trying to use it. Your theory is correct. Ruthless Tractor Vessery is likely to get killed. But it has nothing to do with anything inherent to Vessery. He's neither easy to hit nor does he have a low damage capacity. He's just likely to get shot at a lot. A boxer who tries to fight three people at once and gets knocked out didn't have a glass jaw.
You're obviously a great mathematician. However, there's a reason why companies make science guys work with technical writers. For example, your analogy about the nuclear silo made no sense. I'd have sent that back to you and asked what about the nuclear silo being defended by four infantry guys was significant when there was no comparable opposing offensive capability listed elsewhere in the analogy that would give the reader an indication about it's comparable defensive incapability. Two infantry guys are neutral in their capability. Okay, got it. Two infantry guys in a bunker are defensive and therefore a "tank" (something understood in the gaming community to have high defensive ability and thus able to withstand many attacks). Okay, got it. Four infantry guys and a nuclear missile are a glass cannon because they can kill the guys in the bunker. There is no tautology to those statements. Why is it a glass cannon and not just a regular cannon? "You'll say "Well, it's because it's still just four dudes in the open and they'll die". But they've already killed the guys in the bunker. Who is left to kill them and how does that relate to their defensive capability? Like I said, it's an issue of you making your own writing unclear by not effectively describing what you are trying to say.
How is the T-65 supposed to compete against a Jouster so terrifying as a Defender?
By costing almost half as much.
22 points vs 28
"almost half"
Actually; you will find the T65 at 21 points. For PS2. VS the PS1 Defender with title for 28 pts.
25% discount.
Still; I would prefer to fly 3x Defender (title) over 4x T65.
But it tells you more about the sorry state of the T65 really. (IMO)
Curse the subversion of a commonly used phrase for the purposes of a rhetorical argument!
I wish I played on a table where the number of green dice I rolled had anything positive to do with if my ships survived a given fusillade. Now that is just my own luck at play, consistently, but either way I am unable to see Fel as durable. I hear it on Podcasts, but have never seen it play out like that. So even with a Focus and Evade token, I will still see the Baron as a Glass Cannon and Stealth Device as 3 points I wish I had spent on a targeting comp.
soontir's durability is based on the following guarantees
focus + thrusters = guaranteed at least one evade
evade = guaranteed one evade
palpatine = guaranteed one evade
3 guaranteed evades total, even if you roll 5-6 blanks
the dice are really just for show
of course, arc-dodging's always better because then you get infinite evades by never having to roll dice at all. But even if you only partially arc-dodge such that only one enemy fires at you, you're more or less not going to die anytime soon
as an additional flipside, if you start running into conners or auto-blasters or vader crew etc, then soontir's the glassiest glass of all glassdom
Edited by ficklegreendice22 points vs 28By costing almost half as much.How is the T-65 supposed to compete against a Jouster so terrifying as a Defender?
"almost half"
But, in the end, you're still misusing a word, and then accusing somebody of being confused because you tried to redefine the word.
I certainly didn't intend to come across as accusatory. I merely replied to Giledhil using his exact verbage; don't throw what you can't catch. 
You're obviously a great mathematician. However, there's a reason why companies make science guys work with technical writers.
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I'd have sent that back to you...
I have worked before as a professional technical writer. I have also been published in a journal with a rigorous peer review.
This forum is clearly neither. I was making a relatively quick post as an educational public service. If we scrutinized this forum's posts to the extent you suggested for mine, then the post count would probably be reduced by 99%. (Sometimes I wonder if that wouldn't be a bad thing. 
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I understand what you're trying to say.
Then my job is done.
Actually; you will find the T65 at 21 points. For PS2. VS the PS1 Defender with title for 28 pts.
25% discount.
Still; I would prefer to fly 3x Defender (title) over 4x T65.
But it tells you more about the sorry state of the T65 really. (IMO)
IA is pretty much mandatory if you are comparing cost-effectiveness
Oh my, it's getting hard to breathe with all of the smug in this thread.
Sooooooooooo... when do we get these new toys?
oh wait, september? (of next year???)
How is the T-65 supposed to compete against a Jouster so terrifying as a Defender?
By costing almost half as much.
22 points vs 28
"almost half"
Was still thinking of Vessery with stuffs.
How is the T-65 supposed to compete against a Jouster so terrifying as a Defender?
By costing almost half as much.
22 points vs 28
"almost half"
Was still thinking of Vessery with stuffs.
Doesn't need to be Vessery, just take a Delta + X/7 and laugh at the people foolish enough to try flying X-Wings in a game called X-Wing. A 6 point difference. For a ship that wouldn't bother using the T-65 as toilet paper.
For the generic X-Wing that may be true, but Hobbie can k-turn just as well as any Defender now and Tarn can tank them pretty well. Wedge also is a special case, still. Granted, he isn't reliable, but the BB-8 + PTL combination works really well on him.
Wedge + BB8 + PTL is as many points as a fully kitted up Soontir Fel. He is nowhere near as good. Most certainly not worth the points you invest in him, when you're that close to affording a top-tier ace like Poe or Corran.
That is true for the most part, but he can in specific situations wreck those better aces. PS8 Corran Horn will struggle, as will a Soontir with initiative.
Wouldnt corran just double tap wedge to death? even at ps8 wedge needs range 1 and a direct hit to take down corran before he fires..
Wedge + BB8 + PTL is as many points as a fully kitted up Soontir Fel. He is nowhere near as good. Most certainly not worth the points you invest in him, when you're that close to affording a top-tier ace like Poe or Corran.
He's much less defensive than Fel, and has a very different sort of maneuverability, but he hits like a truck compared to standard Fel.
Wouldnt corran just double tap wedge to death? even at ps8 wedge needs range 1 and a direct hit to take down corran before he fires..
Whenever Corran would have a shot you roll in a way that bumps you with him. Otherwise you dodge and murder him with TL + Focus + agility reduction. Wedges problem is that he is too stiff to avoid a mass of generics and too fragile to withstand TLTs and gets destroyed by Decimators and Falcons.
Wedge + BB8 + PTL is as many points as a fully kitted up Soontir Fel. He is nowhere near as good. Most certainly not worth the points you invest in him, when you're that close to affording a top-tier ace like Poe or Corran.
He's much less defensive than Fel, and has a very different sort of maneuverability, but he hits like a truck compared to standard Fel.
He doesn't hit that much harder, but is a billion times less defensive. Fel + Autothrusters + Focus + Evade is going to give Wedge problems, but have no trouble punching through puny Wedge's single Focus token.
Wedge + BB8 + PTL is as many points as a fully kitted up Soontir Fel. He is nowhere near as good. Most certainly not worth the points you invest in him, when you're that close to affording a top-tier ace like Poe or Corran.
He's much less defensive than Fel, and has a very different sort of maneuverability, but he hits like a truck compared to standard Fel.
He doesn't hit that much harder, but is a billion times less defensive. Fel + Autothrusters + Focus + Evade is going to give Wedge problems, but have no trouble punching through puny Wedge's single Focus token.
Focus+TL and -1 defense die is way punchier than Focus only for offense. I'm not saying Wedge is overall better, but you can't deny he shreds targets.
Yup
Wedge's offense is as far removed from fel as fel's defense is from wedge
Edited by ficklegreendiceYup
Wedge's offense is as far removed from fel as fel's defense is from wedge
Erm. TL + Focus vs 4 Evades + multiple Focus + Evade + Palp + Autothrusters? Because Soonts can control the range better with the better dial and both of the postmaneuver actions.
And both are tied to green moves, but only one of the ships has green moves barely better than a Y-Wing.
Soontir on his own is only 3 dice + focus
Versus 3 dice + focus + TL - 1 agi, there is no possible contest
Wedge hits much harder and dies much harder too
Edited by ficklegreendiceWhat does any of this have to do with the Defender?