I guess it depends on the support. I mean, it is pretty brutal when Omega Leader and Vessery lockdown a target.

It sure is, but what happens if OL is killed before Vessery fires? What happens if OL kills the target before Vessery? What if you didn't point Vessery's guns at the more important target because you couldn't TL it with OL? There's a dozen little inefficiencies that get introduced by his ability.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great ability, and he'll be brutal, and while heI get punched way above his points in a squad, there will be a fair chance that squad as a whole is a little less efficient because of the extra coordination you need.

The thing is, Vessery has a LOT more viable wingmen now and when Imperial Veterans releases. Like I've said, my current Vessery squad uses 3 FOs. It will be interesting to see how the V1s work with him. Also, haven't really tested him out with Advances yet either. Bomber could be a possibility as well.

I like how this thread started out as "I'm afraid there's evidence of fallen sky here" and everyone is all "WEEEEE! FALLEN SKY"

I like how this thread started out as "I'm afraid there's evidence of fallen sky here" and everyone is all "WEEEEE! FALLEN SKY"

It's a small base ship that has to shoot things using its arcs, and while its dial is excellent, it's not a high-PS-arc-dodger as its automatic favored build. Even if it's price-efficient, outflying them is certainly viable.

Call me crazy, but the game has needed more ships like this, not fewer.

I like how this thread started out as "I'm afraid there's evidence of fallen sky here" and everyone is all "WEEEEE! FALLEN SKY"

It's a small base ship that has to shoot things using its arcs, and while its dial is excellent, it's not a high-PS-arc-dodger as its automatic favored build. Even if it's price-efficient, outflying them is certainly viable.

Call me crazy, but the game has needed more ships like this, not fewer.

I'm definitely excited for the most part as well, but as somone who has almost exclusively flown ships that fit that description competitively for some time now, it's a little concerning to look at how borderline invalidated those ships i had been flying seem.

While reading this thread, I can't help but think (multiple times): Can anyone get past using Vessery?

I mean seriously, we're about to get a bunch of cool new Defender pilots (and one old pilot who is now right where he should be), and a bunch of new toys to spice up old ones. Is there no accounting for playstyle? Does everyone have to automatically gravitate to the most mathematically efficient thing they can think of?

I don't know, maybe they just need to hurry up and spoil Ryad already so we can start thinking up other squads.

I like how this thread started out as "I'm afraid there's evidence of fallen sky here" and everyone is all "WEEEEE! FALLEN SKY"

I for one welcome our new tri-winged overlords!

All that practice flying triple defenders will finally pay off.

Haha I think I have a distinct memory of playing a game with you on vassal where you took triple defenders.

While reading this thread, I can't help but think (multiple times): Can anyone get past using Vessery?

I mean seriously, we're about to get a bunch of cool new Defender pilots (and one old pilot who is now right where he should be), and a bunch of new toys to spice up old ones. Is there no accounting for playstyle? Does everyone have to automatically gravitate to the most mathematically efficient thing they can think of?

I don't know, maybe they just need to hurry up and spoil Ryad already so we can start thinking up other squads.

There are plenty of fun options. I will definitely be using Mangler Maarek. I'm just very clear on where it will place in major tournaments. Same as Triple Onyx w/ Hull and X7 as the new Triple BH.

While reading this thread, I can't help but think (multiple times): Can anyone get past using Vessery?

I mean seriously, we're about to get a bunch of cool new Defender pilots (and one old pilot who is now right where he should be), and a bunch of new toys to spice up old ones. Is there no accounting for playstyle? Does everyone have to automatically gravitate to the most mathematically efficient thing they can think of?

I don't know, maybe they just need to hurry up and spoil Ryad already so we can start thinking up other squads.

I've been trying to make Vessery work for the past 18 months. Now that he's not only going to work, but be one of the best ships in the game is indeed making it a little hard for me to look beyond him.

While reading this thread, I can't help but think (multiple times): Can anyone get past using Vessery?

I mean seriously, we're about to get a bunch of cool new Defender pilots (and one old pilot who is now right where he should be), and a bunch of new toys to spice up old ones. Is there no accounting for playstyle? Does everyone have to automatically gravitate to the most mathematically efficient thing they can think of?

I don't know, maybe they just need to hurry up and spoil Ryad already so we can start thinking up other squads.

we got literally two new Defender pilot in mareek (the "m" stands for "meh") and the glaive

we don't have any idea about the other named one

So prediction that a Skill 3 would be better than a skill 1? That may be interesting but I think the Defender is going to be a new Ace instead of a filler as it is still in the high 20s point bracket.

With Tractor Beam again this is where the Pilot Skill Stat (not dial selection) becomes a multiplier in effectiveness. A higher skilled pilot will have an agility reducing effect last for more attacks but with the "yank" if done right and thrown a ship on a rock then being able to remove an attack is second only to removing a ship.

Still what about Bombers being effective as a support ship? The Jonus shuttle should be a big boon to Vessery and with the LRS Vessery will always gain a free target lock and be able to reroll cannon shots. However the fact that that is still points spent on a ship not doing that much in attack is something to consider.

An Acewing meta with Defenders at the top would mean it's no longer an Acewing meta.

Defenders aren't that good at repositioning. Yeah, they can white 4 k and barrel roll but then they're giving up offense.

Vessery is the best Defender pilot, yet he's only PS 6.

You put PtL and engine upgrade on one and you're stuck with a 5 straight or something ridiculous if you want to destress. And if you put TIE MK II on a Defender to fix this problem you no longer have engine upgrade.

I guess the problem comes when you get the best of both worlds and just slap Super Imp Vets Vessery next to Soontir or whatever. Soontir is broken and obnoxious and Carnor is good, but triple Interceptor while good isn't the problem either. I suspect the same is true of triple Imp Vets Defender.

Whisper - FCS - Kallus - ACD

Onyx squadron - X7 times two.

99 points

So, VI Vader with the standard loadout and Omega Leader with his Juke Comms special will be some of the better wing mates for Vessery? Or would Soontir be better than Vader just for the End game while Omega and Vessery tag team some people. Tractor Beam does seem to synergize well with a lower attack ship like Omega Leader, especially since he already negates a green dice.

Or even Adaptability Vader might not be a bad idea, if it lets you switch in a whim, or even right before the game - PS10 to let you hunt aces, or PS8 to fire with the tractor beam Vessery, depending on what your opponent brings to the table.

Defenders were my favorite fighter from TIE Fighter, and the first ship I bought a pair of. So excited!

You could always go with Targeting Computer Fel.

34 points for that

Vessery, x7, Lone Wolf 35

Palpshuttle 29

98

Palp-Aces with way more offense than they normally throw down. Both Fel and Vessery are monster closers in that build. Fel is Fel, and Vessery is throwing 3 greens and re-rolling a blank, while usually packing Focus and Evade.

An Acewing meta with Defenders at the top would mean it's no longer an Acewing meta.

Defenders aren't that good at repositioning. Yeah, they can white 4 k and barrel roll but then they're giving up offense.

Vessery is the best Defender pilot, yet he's only PS 6.

This is true. I'll be genuinely interested to see how people adapter to a fast jouster like the Defender costing ace level points. People are pretty used to high PS, multi-action movement abilities out of their aces, and that won't be too prevalent with the Ds. Brobot players seem to have embraced jousting PS 6 ships pretty hard, though, so I don't expect it will take players too long to be happy flying PS 6 Defenders.

I predict a vast use of chimps + homing missile as a response to all these incoming /x7.

Vessery + TIE/D + Tractor Beam + Ruthlessness is an absurd glass cannon

Maybe you should rethink your definition of "glass canon". We're talking about a 3AGI, 6HP ship.

Vessery + TIE/D + Tractor Beam + Ruthlessness is an absurd glass cannon

Maybe you should rethink your definition of "glass canon". We're talking about a 3AGI, 6HP ship.

Did you just quote yourself?

Vessery + TIE/D + Tractor Beam + Ruthlessness is an absurd glass cannon

Maybe you should rethink your definition of "glass canon". We're talking about a 3AGI, 6HP ship.

Did you just quote yourself?

Nope, that was MajorJuggler's post ^^ I don't know how I got that result

Vessery + TIE/D + Tractor Beam + Ruthlessness is an absurd glass cannon

Maybe you should rethink your definition of "glass canon". We're talking about a 3AGI, 6HP ship.

Did you just quote yourself?

I think it was a quote trim gone wrong. MajorJuggler said the initial "absurd glass cannon" line.

While reading this thread, I can't help but think (multiple times): Can anyone get past using Vessery?

I mean seriously, we're about to get a bunch of cool new Defender pilots (and one old pilot who is now right where he should be), and a bunch of new toys to spice up old ones. Is there no accounting for playstyle? Does everyone have to automatically gravitate to the most mathematically efficient thing they can think of?

I don't know, maybe they just need to hurry up and spoil Ryad already so we can start thinking up other squads.

I've been test piloting Rexler with Lone Wolf, Stealth Device and x7 and I am fairly certain that I can get past using Vessery. Not that I won't be flying both - just saying.

I'm thinking of Omega Leader, Inquisitor and Vessery with TIE/D, Tractor Beam and VI. All are PS8, so I can shoot with Vessery first, capitalizing on his ablity and making the most use of Tractor Beam.

I am sad that my post veterans squadron probably won't be viable and the Defender is going to take the spotlight by itself in all likelyhood.

http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!50:126,-1,17,-1,-1:-1:24:;50:126,-1,17,-1,-1:-1:24:;187:152,153:-1:-1:;56:-1,-1,45,-1:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

Doomhuttle (haven't seen that one in a while), Omega Leader, and two LRS-Homing Missile Gammas - looked nice, but it isn't going to do much when Vessery with his friends roflstomps a Bomber per turn. I will play it anyways, hoping the best. Maybe the Missiles stripping the shields + a good Vader crit have some potential to do the job, but I am genuinly scared by Major Jugglers analysis here.

As for joining the Vessery hype I will run him with FCS-Redline (another threat that has to be dealt with immediatly - excellent) and Omega Leader again. Kind of shocked no one mentioned Redline, yet!