Has anyone REALLY ever been at a tournament where a modified model has been turned away?

The "paint scheme only" rule...

Is the intent of that rule to keep models from looking like the wrong ship? Or perhaps to prevent someone from glueing feathers all over a hwk-290 because birds are cool.

Both are valid. I totally get having a line that ought not be crossed.

But, the greatly improved E-wings folks make....the tiny fins some folks add to make the royal guard Interceptor more to their taste...etc.

This kind of thing seems very much in the spirit of the universe and doesn't try to obfuscate a ship on the table.

There seems to be a ton of leeway on this. (Decimator with awesome blinking lights at world's...I'm looking at you.)

Things like that are good for the game. And I can't imagine someone being so miffed to stop someone from playing because their x wing has folded wings.or, is so uncasual as to call an opponent out as unqualified because they put a tiny antenna on a houndstooth or some such.

Has anyone REALLY witnessed such " un-flying-casual-ness" at a tournament?

Sure there's always" well, just bring a stock model just in case " ...I get it.

I just can't believe the community would do that to someone who has a ship tweaked but it fits the game universe, doesn't distract and doesn't try to make a tie fighter with three inside out Interceptor wings.

Wait, defenders are legit...never mind that one.

Anyways. That's the question. What does the community think of mildly modded models.

Sincerely,

The guy who looks at the IG-2000 and cries out to fold those wing/legs.because....****....that ship is hard to look at as is.

I think it's there in case someone claims they can't tell what the ship is. I've seen/flown against modified ships before and had no issue.

Bring your modified ship. But have a backup one in case the TO/opponent doesn't like it.

I've never come across this being an issue.

We have had one guy be a V6 IROC turbo ****** and insist that his opponent take a loss for proxying cards at a store championship halfway through game as multiple people were offering to loan his opponent the cards. He got his way.

I'm a WAAC guy, but Jesus Christ. There is a difference between not allowing a missed trigger and just beating someone because money.

I think the rule on modifying ships is there just to prevent the game from looking sh*tty visually, same with the requirement to have the model on the base at all times. The game looks very pretty and it's in FFG's best interests to encourage that by a rule no one actually enforces.

This of course doesn't stop someone bad at painting from just dipping their models in nail polish and having everyone pretend it doesn't look awful (I'm talking to you, most people that paint their ships) but you can't really prevent that.

While we're at it, I'm starting to Sharpie the edges of my manuever dials, and I've done a set of tokens. Once I get done with the dials I'm going to start doing the edges of my ship tokens. Using a marker on your ship token edges and dial edges is legal, right?

Is the intent of that rule to keep models from looking like the wrong ship?

I forget where I read it, but someone from FFG stated that this is the only real reason for the rule. The only reason I would ever enforce the rule as a TO is if a ship has been customized to such a degree that the model can't be identified just by looking at the ship or if modifications have been made that appear to deliberately confuse what type of ship it is.

The best example I have of this is all the people that did TIE/fo repaints of original TIE Fighters last summer after the movie trailers came out. If someone tried to fly one of those as a TIE Fighter in a tournament I was running, I would DQ the ship because it has been modified and not only looks different from the original, but looks like a completely different ship in the game.

I've never run into any situation as a player or TO where I felt like a ship needed to be disqualified and I've never heard another player make that kind of request. I've never even heard of it happening from anyone online, so I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the rule has never been enforced.

Just the nature of the beast. Bring mods / 3d prints and have actual models just in case.

Yep. Right on.

I totally get the " have a spare in case"... Totally. I hope the thread doesn't come off as a complaint. I'm really curious about how much the ruling has been brought up.

Quite possibly the most confusing thread title I've ever read.

I understand the need for the rule. Better to create the rule and enforce it if ever there's a problem, than to wait for a problem and try to create a rule on the spot.

I modify and paint my X-wing ships and I'm not even slightly worried about it. If someone is petty enough to make an issue out of it, I'll take the loss and walk away. But I honestly don't anticipate that ever happening. The Rule of Cool conquers all.

I haven't, which is good because I had to replace my Decimator's flimsy, non-handling friendly scale turret with some beefier ones after they broke off.

The rule of cool....

Yes.

I think this....

If it looks good enough, no one will make a big deal out of it.

While we're at it, I'm starting to Sharpie the edges of my manuever dials, and I've done a set of tokens. Once I get done with the dials I'm going to start doing the edges of my ship tokens. Using a marker on your ship token edges and dial edges is legal, right?

Yes; marking them to show ownership is perfectly legal as long as you don't affect their operation (obscure arcs etc).

Sincerely,

The guy who looks at the IG-2000 and cries out to fold those wing/legs.because....****....that ship is hard to look at as is.

I like painting, but I'm worried about modding for precisely this reason myself. I'm contenting myself with sticking to mods which don't alter the physical appearance of the ship in noticeable ways like hinging my StarViper's s-foils.

But on that specific note, I'm willing to bet you would get away with hinging your IGs' wings as long as they could be set in the normal position.

While we're at it, I'm starting to Sharpie the edges of my manuever dials, and I've done a set of tokens. Once I get done with the dials I'm going to start doing the edges of my ship tokens. Using a marker on your ship token edges and dial edges is legal, right?

It's what I do to make it less likely I'll pick up the wrong dial in a furball. Asteroid edges too.

The only ships look a little bit like each other is the T 65/T70. If there is confusion..ask, if you don't if Poe flies a T 65 or a T 70, and you're in a championship..then you probably in more trouble than you know. If I want to fly Kath and Boba and I have a repainted Kath, surely that's not an issue. Maybe they want to ensure there isn't a super 3D printer out there, who knows, I thin it's ridiculous. As for the guy saying the guy should take a loss for proxies, he is a worthless PoS, hope he got smashed.

I imagine it's because the last thing FFG wants to spend time doing is creating and maintaining a list of approved modifications. Easier to say "No mods at all" than having to constantly say "That one yes, that one no" and having to justify the distinction.

The best example I have of this is all the people that did TIE/fo repaints of original TIE Fighters last summer after the movie trailers came out. If someone tried to fly one of those as a TIE Fighter in a tournament I was running, I would DQ the ship because it has been modified and not only looks different from the original, but looks like a completely different ship in the game.

The rule needs to be there for the kinds of players who would modify beyond recognizability. I haven't seen a game yet where it needed to be enforced. But I have seen a loss due to modified obstacles being mister for the other kind of obstacle.

I have seen a few paintschemes I would have prefered to be banned.

Mostly because they where so far out of theme.

The worst one I remember eas someone with a Tie Swarm. Howlrunner was painted with Bob Marley smoking a joint on the wings. The rest of the Ties where painted in rastafari colours.

It looked horribel imo and had nothing to do with Star Wars

As for the guy saying the guy should take a loss for proxies, he is a worthless PoS, hope he got smashed.

I don't know, if I've spent money for a tournament, I kinda expect the people I'm playing to have invested in the game and not show up with Micro Machines and photocopies.

I've never come across this being an issue.

We have had one guy be a V6 IROC turbo ****** and insist that his opponent take a loss for proxying cards at a store championship halfway through game as multiple people were offering to loan his opponent the cards. He got his way.

I'm a WAAC guy, but Jesus Christ. There is a difference between not allowing a missed trigger and just beating someone because money.

The one thing I would say in that guys defense, what if he wasnt able to play the list he wanted because he couldnt afford the cards only to show up and find out halfway through the game that his opponent was playing printed cards? I would feel a little salty as well although I would have accepted the borrowing of cards assuming it didnt force the lender to then have to proxy. Did the person proxying the cards let his opponent know he was doing so? Did he let the TO know he was doing so? I think that the situation could easily be as much on his head as it is on his opponents.

I have seen a few paintschemes I would have prefered to be banned.

Mostly because they where so far out of theme.

The worst one I remember eas someone with a Tie Swarm. Howlrunner was painted with Bob Marley smoking a joint on the wings. The rest of the Ties where painted in rastafari colours.

It looked horribel imo and had nothing to do with Star Wars

Hey i saw this guy too! Or there are two guys killing the mood with the same "i like to show everyone i have never smoked weed" attitude

As for the guy saying the guy should take a loss for proxies, he is a worthless PoS, hope he got smashed.

I don't know, if I've spent money for a tournament, I kinda expect the people I'm playing to have invested in the game and not show up with Micro Machines and photocopies.

Really? That kind of guy? How on earth a photocopied in color and size upgrade card would kill your game? Ok miniatures im up here, lets keep some standards but paper components of the game? Especially upgrade cards that sometimes are in the ships you'll never use (epics....)?

And argument about "Spending money for tournament"...holy come on how much you pay for those tournament? 50bucks or what? And even so how does this little piece of paper beeing different quality, or even not beeing there at all, will lessen your fun from event?

Fly casual....

I'm actually with this... Having actual materials at a tournament I think is correct.

If someone can use a photocopy then you'd have to let everyone prkxy in everything. Then it's like...why bother buying anything.

But, to the specific example above...other players were ready to lend him the correct card. That should have been good enough for anyone.

I'm actually with this... Having actual materials at a tournament I think is correct.

If someone can use a photocopy then you'd have to let everyone prkxy in everything. Then it's like...why bother buying anything.

But, to the specific example above...other players were ready to lend him the correct card. That should have been good enough for anyone.

Dont get me wrong, like i said lets keep some standards: if TO says no prox, its no prox no matter what.

But i just dont like "i payed" attitude. You payed for fun at the event.

I'm actually with this... Having actual materials at a tournament I think is correct.

If someone can use a photocopy then you'd have to let everyone prkxy in everything. Then it's like...why bother buying anything.

But, to the specific example above...other players were ready to lend him the correct card. That should have been good enough for anyone.

Dont get me wrong, like i said lets keep some standards: if TO says no prox, its no prox no matter what.

But i just dont like "i payed" attitude. You payed for fun at the event.

If a person has a problem with it, then they should raise it at the start of the match, during the game they could be being beaten and use it as an out.

I have seen a few paintschemes I would have prefered to be banned.

Mostly because they where so far out of theme.

The worst one I remember eas someone with a Tie Swarm. Howlrunner was painted with Bob Marley smoking a joint on the wings. The rest of the Ties where painted in rastafari colours.

It looked horribel imo and had nothing to do with Star Wars

but isn't that good motivation for your pilots to blow them up?

There have been a ton of modified ships at Worlds, and I never heard of any issues.

I'm actually with this... Having actual materials at a tournament I think is correct.

If someone can use a photocopy then you'd have to let everyone prkxy in everything. Then it's like...why bother buying anything.

But, to the specific example above...other players were ready to lend him the correct card. That should have been good enough for anyone.

Dont get me wrong, like i said lets keep some standards: if TO says no prox, its no prox no matter what.

But i just dont like "i payed" attitude. You payed for fun at the event.

If a person has a problem with it, then they should raise it at the start of the match, during the game they could be being beaten and use it as an out.

what if the opponent concealed the fact that they were using proxies? That would pretty much remove the option of dealing with it before hand.