Would Yorr be able to pull 1-2 stress from a friendly Rage trigger without negating it? It seems legit based on the current FAQ statement about Yorr's ability and what Rage says.

Yorr's text refers to "a stress token", which indicates 1 token, not multiple, and you can't use him more than once on the same opportunity. So I think he could effectively suck away 1 stress token, and Rage would not be affected.

Ahh, yes. Thank you for the clarification.

Yorr's text refers to "a stress token", which indicates 1 token, not multiple, and you can't use him more than once on the same opportunity. So I think he could effectively suck away 1 stress token, and Rage would not be affected.

Wouldn't each stress token dealt be a separate opportunity though? Yorr isn't triggered by the effect what deals the stress, he's triggered by receiving a stress token.

Yorr's text refers to "a stress token", which indicates 1 token, not multiple, and you can't use him more than once on the same opportunity. So I think he could effectively suck away 1 stress token, and Rage would not be affected.

Wouldn't each stress token dealt be a separate opportunity though? Yorr isn't triggered by the effect what deals the stress, he's triggered by receiving a stress token.

You need to be careful because the "once per opportunity" has been reforumulated to the following, rules reference, page 8, card abilities :

"A card ability cannot be resolved more than once during the timing specified on the card. For example, a card with the timing of “when defending” cannot be resolved twice by the defender during a single attack."

So while rage does create 2 stresses and possibly generate 2 triggers, both trigger during the same specified time, so Yorr's ability can only trigger once.

Yorr's text refers to "a stress token", which indicates 1 token, not multiple, and you can't use him more than once on the same opportunity. So I think he could effectively suck away 1 stress token, and Rage would not be affected.

Wouldn't each stress token dealt be a separate opportunity though? Yorr isn't triggered by the effect what deals the stress, he's triggered by receiving a stress token.

You need to be careful because the "once per opportunity" has been reforumulated to the following, rules reference, page 8, card abilities :

"A card ability cannot be resolved more than once during the timing specified on the card. For example, a card with the timing of “when defending” cannot be resolved twice by the defender during a single attack."

So while rage does create 2 stresses and possibly generate 2 triggers, both trigger during the same specified time, so Yorr's ability can only trigger once.

Yeah, but the timing specified on Captain Yorr is "When another friendly ship at Range 1-2 would receive a stress token." If each stress token is assigned as a singular event, that's two timing windows as well as two triggers.

Yorr's text refers to "a stress token", which indicates 1 token, not multiple, and you can't use him more than once on the same opportunity. So I think he could effectively suck away 1 stress token, and Rage would not be affected.

Wouldn't each stress token dealt be a separate opportunity though? Yorr isn't triggered by the effect what deals the stress, he's triggered by receiving a stress token.

You need to be careful because the "once per opportunity" has been reforumulated to the following, rules reference, page 8, card abilities :

"A card ability cannot be resolved more than once during the timing specified on the card. For example, a card with the timing of “when defending” cannot be resolved twice by the defender during a single attack."

So while rage does create 2 stresses and possibly generate 2 triggers, both trigger during the same specified time, so Yorr's ability can only trigger once.

The only timing specified on the card is "When another friendly ship at Range 1-2 would receive a stress token". That would seem to make each stress token have it's own timing window.

Unless someone is willing to argue soontir only gets one focus from rage somehow then yorr sure can pull rage's double stress. This isn't some double use of an opportunity there are just 2 stress tokens which happen to hit simultaneously. This generates 2 yorr opportunities, each of which he can only use once.

Unless someone is willing to argue soontir only gets one focus from rage somehow then yorr sure can pull rage's double stress. This isn't some double use of an opportunity there are just 2 stress tokens which happen to hit simultaneously. This generates 2 yorr opportunities, each of which he can only use once.

It could be potentially be argued against, actually. I originally posted that you can "possibly" generate 2 triggers with those 2 stresses, but I'm not convinced that this is the case. It could be that Soontir gets both stresses in one shot and you only get to trigger his ability once in response.

That's what happened with Wampa's ability; I thought it was possible that when cancelling the damage, you did it one card at a time (and could therefore trigger his abilty at each cancel) and that therefore cancelling 2 crits dealt 2 damage (rare, but possible). I sent the question to FFG and was told that no, Wampa's ability only triggered once, despite cancelling 2 crits.

So it could be scenario 1:

- Soontir uses rage

- Gets a focus from rage

- Gets 2 stress from rage

- *Soontir's ability triggers*

---- Add another focus to Soontir

Or scenario 2 :

- Soontir uses rage

- Gets a focus from rage

- Gets first stress from rage

- *Soontir's ability triggers*

---- Add another focus to Soontir

- Gets second stress from rage

- *Soontir's ability triggers*

----Add another focus to Soontir

As far as I know, this is the first instance of an ability granting a double stress, so I could see it ruled either way. I'm just frankly not interested in sending a post to FFG simply because I think that putting Rage on Soontir would be counter productive.

I just wish that the next FAQ will be here soon, some of these interactions are getting hard to master.

That's what happened with Wampa's ability; I thought it was possible that when cancelling the damage, you did it one card at a time (and could therefore trigger his abilty at each cancel) and that therefore cancelling 2 crits dealt 2 damage (rare, but possible). I sent the question to FFG and was told that no, Wampa's ability only triggered once, despite cancelling 2 crits.

The difference is wampa is not a triggered ability it's an if then condition. For wampa it's a) did you choose to cancel your dice? If so then b) did you cancel a crit result? If so give the gift of face down damage. If no at any point the if then chain ceases. Soontir and Yorr are clearly worded with 'when x happens' giving us triggers each time that condition occurs. It doesn't matter when Soontir gets a stress token each one comes stapled together with a trigger for a focus. There's no outside anything that is related to that it's just 1 stress = 1 trigger no matter when that stress hits relative to anything else. Yorr is precisely the same trigger and wording.

For Wampa to be a good template for Yorr and Fel, he/she would need to be worded differently:

When attacking, at the end of the Compare Results step, you may cancel all dice results. Whenever you cancel a [kaboom] result in this way, you may deal one face-down damage card to the defender.

That's an ability that can potentially trigger more than once per attack. (Actually it's two abilities: the first sentence is an ability that can happen once per attack, and the second is an ability that may trigger one or more times when you use the first ability. It's necessary to give Wampa the first ability because, unlike stress generation, there's no existing rule that would allow the second ability to trigger.)

If that were what Wampa said, and FFG had ruled that canceling two [kaboom] results only resulted in one damage card, then we might have a precedent. As it is, Wampa's not relevant to Rage's interactions with Yorr or Fel.

Yorr's text refers to "a stress token", which indicates 1 token, not multiple, and you can't use him more than once on the same opportunity. So I think he could effectively suck away 1 stress token, and Rage would not be affected.

Wouldn't each stress token dealt be a separate opportunity though? Yorr isn't triggered by the effect what deals the stress, he's triggered by receiving a stress token.

You need to be careful because the "once per opportunity" has been reforumulated to the following, rules reference, page 8, card abilities :

"A card ability cannot be resolved more than once during the timing specified on the card. For example, a card with the timing of “when defending” cannot be resolved twice by the defender during a single attack."

So while rage does create 2 stresses and possibly generate 2 triggers, both trigger during the same specified time, so Yorr's ability can only trigger once.

Yeah, but the timing specified on Captain Yorr is "When another friendly ship at Range 1-2 would receive a stress token." If each stress token is assigned as a singular event, that's two timing windows as well as two triggers.

The thing is, each stress token is not assigned as a singular event. Rage says you "receive 2 stress tokens." It does not say "you receive 1 stress token, then another stress token until you have 2."

The 2 tokens are received at the same time, which I would believe would trigger one opportunity for Yorr's ability. I think R4-D6 is similar in that if you're unlucky enough to get hit by 4 or more <boom> results, R4-D6 is capable of cancelling the 2 or more extras, but I don't think it would create a "one-at-a-time" cancellation sequence. If you cancelled 2 <booms>, you would apply 2 stress tokens at the same time, not one after the other. It doesn't say "cancel 1 <boom> result, receive 1 stress token, then cancel the next <boom> result, etc, etc."

Prior to Rage, every previous card has been worded to deal with just a single token being assigned which may trigger some other effect. Cards that generate multiple tokens are going to become problematic if they not processed correctly, and I suspect this one is not likely to show up in the very next FAQ, but very likely to appear in the following one, quite possibly with a rule errata on Card Abilities, covering multiple tokens and how many trigger opportunities they present during the "timing specified on the card".

I don't understand how the actual time that the tokens are applied matters even a single bit.

There's no timing associated with 'when you receive a stress token'. There's 0 timing. There's no 'double stress token'. You receive 2 stress tokens and each one counts as 'receiving a stress token'. Placing a stress token on Soontir Fel gives him a trigger to get a focus irrespective of anything else happening there is 0 argument that can be made otherwise unless you are saying that only 1 token is being received and the second is magically showing up alongside it.

This reminds me heavily of the crazy moff jerjerod can't discard Palpatine argument.