This week's fight is a showdown between elites that also did not happen in the movies. But what if the two had meet to fight it out to the death?

Saber Squadron

Saber Squadron was an elite TIE Interceptor unit and one of the squadrons of the 181st Imperial Fighter Group stationed aboard the second Death Star. During the Battle of Endor, Saber Squadron was assigned to defend the Star Destroyer Avenger, a task that they carried out admirably (as Avenger survived the Battle of Endor) in spite of the Galactic Empire's loss. The famous Imperial pilot Soontir Fel led the squadron personally.

Vs.

Green Squadron

During the Battle of Endor, Green Squadron was entirely composed of A-wing star fighters and was led by Arvel Crynyd. During the battle, Green Squadron assembled to attack the Super Star Destroyer Executor. After the deactivation of the shield generator on the forest moon below, Green Squadron, along with Yellow Squadron, were tasked with screening General Calrissian's attack run on the surface of the battle station, and subsequently watching for starships that were evacuating from the second Death Star. Green Squadron is credited with escorting Luke Skywalker (and his father) to safety as he fled in a commandeered Lamda Class shuttle.

Green Squadron. They succeeded in their objective, including a very prestigious kill of an SSD. Meanwhile Saber Squadron failed their objective with overwhelming odds in their favor.

Green Squadron. They succeeded in their objective, including a very prestigious kill of an SSD. Meanwhile Saber Squadron failed their objective with overwhelming odds in their favor.

Saber did too actually. The Avenger survived the Battle of Endor. That's what makes this battle interesting. Both squads succeeded in their assignments. What if their paths had crossed?

Saber Squadron's mission doesn't seem as difficult as Green Squadron's...

If their paths had crossed, I suspect the TIE interceptors would have won. The Rebels just weren't very good at fighting on equal terms, because they did not have the resources to do that. The Battle of Endor was a huge gamble that nearly failed. I suspect it would have if the Emperor did not have his eyes on Luke.

This is a tough one for me, but I'd have to go Saber Squadron. Soontier Fel is a feared pilot (both in cannon and x-wing) so I think he would help take Saber Squadron to victory.

This is a tough one for me, but I'd have to go Saber Squadron. Soontier Fel is a feared pilot (both in cannon and x-wing) so I think he would help take Saber Squadron to victory.

I'm leaning the same way currently as I battle this one out in my head. It seems, again, that stupid pride may have been the downfall of the Empire at this battle. Fel and his squad protected The Avenger. Green is almost depicted as taking out the SSD via shear luck.

Still, Green survived a head to head fight with a SSD and its compliment of fighters. Nothing to sneer at... Do we know what Rebel group (ship type(s)) attacked The Avenger?

Only one of them took out a Super Star Destroyer, and not just any one at that. Vader's personal flagship, the flagship of the fleet, and the ship for which the design is named. In addition, they killed the Admiral of the Imperial fleet, along with mos of the senior fleet command staff.

All whilst fighting at a numerical disadvantage. Saber Squadron enjoyed such huge tactical advantages, and is supposedly comprised of the best of the best pilots the Imperial Navy can offer, and the only thing they can claim is that they stopped a single Star Destroyer from being destroyed.

Found this:

"The 181st fought at the Battle of Endor, protecting the communications ships of Death Squadron - the battlecruiser Pride of Tarlandia and the Imperial-class Star Destroyers Chimaera and Avenger. In particular, Saber Squadron, one of the unit's components, was assigned to protect the Avenger. Red Leader Wedge Antilles later reflected on the trepidation he felt when he saw the red stripes on the wings of the squadron's TIE Interceptors. The 181st inflicted heavy casualties on the Rebel Green and Blue Squadrons, but the fighter group was outnumbered and was receiving contradictory orders."

green squadron being painted red already raises a few eyebrows

don't think you can be a pilot if you're colorblind

Lets compare a couple of standard builds.

Saber Squadron with Predator and Autothrusters for 26 points

Green Squadron with Test Pilot, Refit, Autothrusters, Predator and Push the Limit for 25 points

Both have 3 Agility with Autothrusters, Boost, and Evade making them both very defensive. Dials are Identical.

Saber is PS 4 while Green is PS 3 so the Green is the beter blocker while the Saber can more effectively arc-dodge because they move after the Green.

The multiple EPTs for the Green makes them very versatile with good Action Economy.

The main defferences are that the Green has Target Lock while Saber has Barrel Roll and Saber has 3 Attack and Green 2.

I believe the Barrel Roll is the better Action and 3 Attack is better than 2.

Advantage Saber.

Lets compare a couple of standard builds.

Saber Squadron with Predator and Autothrusters for 26 points

Green Squadron with Test Pilot, Refit, Autothrusters, Predator and Push the Limit for 25 points

Both have 3 Agility with Autothrusters, Boost, and Evade making them both very defensive. Dials are Identical.

Saber is PS 4 while Green is PS 3 so the Green is the beter blocker while the Saber can more effectively arc-dodge because they move after the Green.

The multiple EPTs for the Green makes them very versatile with good Action Economy.

The main defferences are that the Green has Target Lock while Saber has Barrel Roll and Saber has 3 Attack and Green 2.

I believe the Barrel Roll is the better Action and 3 Attack is better than 2.

Advantage Saber.

That's because you never give an A-Wing Predator when you could give it Crackshot or Juke.

Lets compare a couple of standard builds.

Saber Squadron with Predator and Autothrusters for 26 points

Green Squadron with Test Pilot, Refit, Autothrusters, Predator and Push the Limit for 25 points

Both have 3 Agility with Autothrusters, Boost, and Evade making them both very defensive. Dials are Identical.

Saber is PS 4 while Green is PS 3 so the Green is the beter blocker while the Saber can more effectively arc-dodge because they move after the Green.

The multiple EPTs for the Green makes them very versatile with good Action Economy.

The main defferences are that the Green has Target Lock while Saber has Barrel Roll and Saber has 3 Attack and Green 2.

I believe the Barrel Roll is the better Action and 3 Attack is better than 2.

Advantage Saber.

TIE Interceptor: Saber Squadron Pilot (25) X4

Autothrusters (2)

Juke (2)

Total: 100/100

A-Wing: Green Squadron Pilot (25) X4

Autothrusters (2)

A-Wing Test Pilot (0)

Predator (3)

Push The Limit (3)

Chardaan Refit (-2)

Total: 100/100

On pure points, this would be a more even build. But my edge is still Saber Squadron.

I will do some reaserch, I know alot about the 181rst, but not green squadron.

Also, it may seem silly that all the 181rst did was protect a ship, but that's all the fighters were really doing, because palpatine is an idiot when it comes to space combat. if the fleet actually attacked, the Rebels would have been done for.

Lets compare a couple of standard builds.

Saber Squadron with Predator and Autothrusters for 26 points

Green Squadron with Test Pilot, Refit, Autothrusters, Predator and Push the Limit for 25 points

Both have 3 Agility with Autothrusters, Boost, and Evade making them both very defensive. Dials are Identical.

Saber is PS 4 while Green is PS 3 so the Green is the beter blocker while the Saber can more effectively arc-dodge because they move after the Green.

The multiple EPTs for the Green makes them very versatile with good Action Economy.

The main defferences are that the Green has Target Lock while Saber has Barrel Roll and Saber has 3 Attack and Green 2.

I believe the Barrel Roll is the better Action and 3 Attack is better than 2.

Advantage Saber.

TIE Interceptor: Saber Squadron Pilot (25) X4

Autothrusters (2)

Juke (2)

Total: 100/100

A-Wing: Green Squadron Pilot (25) X4

Autothrusters (2)

A-Wing Test Pilot (0)

Predator (3)

Push The Limit (3)

Chardaan Refit (-2)

Total: 100/100

On pure points, this would be a more even build. But my edge is still Saber Squadron.

Those Greens are going to have a real tough time getting damage through on the Sabers. I can see that matchup taking 3 hours to resolve as nobody can damage either side.

Lets compare a couple of standard builds.

Saber Squadron with Predator and Autothrusters for 26 points

Green Squadron with Test Pilot, Refit, Autothrusters, Predator and Push the Limit for 25 points

Both have 3 Agility with Autothrusters, Boost, and Evade making them both very defensive. Dials are Identical.

Saber is PS 4 while Green is PS 3 so the Green is the beter blocker while the Saber can more effectively arc-dodge because they move after the Green.

The multiple EPTs for the Green makes them very versatile with good Action Economy.

The main defferences are that the Green has Target Lock while Saber has Barrel Roll and Saber has 3 Attack and Green 2.

I believe the Barrel Roll is the better Action and 3 Attack is better than 2.

Advantage Saber.

TIE Interceptor: Saber Squadron Pilot (25) X4

Autothrusters (2)

Juke (2)

Total: 100/100

A-Wing: Green Squadron Pilot (25) X4

Autothrusters (2)

A-Wing Test Pilot (0)

Predator (3)

Push The Limit (3)

Chardaan Refit (-2)

Total: 100/100

On pure points, this would be a more even build. But my edge is still Saber Squadron.

STOP GIVING A-WINGS PREDATOR WE'RE NOT IN WAVE 4 ANYMORE

Lets compare a couple of standard builds.

Saber Squadron with Predator and Autothrusters for 26 points

Green Squadron with Test Pilot, Refit, Autothrusters, Predator and Push the Limit for 25 points

Both have 3 Agility with Autothrusters, Boost, and Evade making them both very defensive. Dials are Identical.

Saber is PS 4 while Green is PS 3 so the Green is the beter blocker while the Saber can more effectively arc-dodge because they move after the Green.

The multiple EPTs for the Green makes them very versatile with good Action Economy.

The main defferences are that the Green has Target Lock while Saber has Barrel Roll and Saber has 3 Attack and Green 2.

I believe the Barrel Roll is the better Action and 3 Attack is better than 2.

Advantage Saber.

TIE Interceptor: Saber Squadron Pilot (25) X4

Autothrusters (2)

Juke (2)

Total: 100/100

A-Wing: Green Squadron Pilot (25) X4

Autothrusters (2)

A-Wing Test Pilot (0)

Predator (3)

Push The Limit (3)

Chardaan Refit (-2)

Total: 100/100

On pure points, this would be a more even build. But my edge is still Saber Squadron.

STOP GIVING A-WINGS PREDATOR WE'RE NOT IN WAVE 4 ANYMORE

Predator is the only other way to possibility give the A-Wing close to the offensive capability of the Interceptor.

green squadron being painted red already raises a few eyebrows

don't think you can be a pilot if you're colorblind

Well considering, Saber Squadron is entirely legends, we do have much legends information to draw upon for Green Squadron.

Known members of Green Squadron as of Endor are:

Green Leader: Arvel Crynyd (KIA): we all know Crynyd for his heroic sacrifice.

Green Wing (KIA): Known only as Green Wing, He joined in an attack on the main Imperial Jamming Ship (Pride of Tarlandia), along with Wedge, The Falcon, Blue Leader, and Gemmer Sojan. He was eventually critically hit and suffered a fate similar to Arvel sacrificing himself to destroy the Imperial ship. Blue Leader was destroyed in the ensuing explosion.

Green 2: Gemmer Sojan: Tasked along with the bulk of Green squadron with disabling Imperial Ion Cannons to allow the Rebel Fleet to engage the Executor. His mission was sucessful, and is personally credited with the destruction of the ISD Pride of Tarlandia.

Green 3: Tycho Celchu: We all know Tycho. He's arguably considered the 3rd best pilot in the galaxy (behind Wedge and Fel). He was temporarily assigned to Green Squadron because extra pilots capable of flying A-wings were needed and he one of the most capable. He flew as top cover for the Falcon, and was one of the pilots to enter the Death Star II.

Green 4: Jake Farrell: One of the oldest pilots in Rebellion, Farrell flew with Crynyd in his assault on the Executor, and was one of the A-wings to take out the bridge deflector. He later flew into DSII, and actually has limited screen time (Making Farrell and Crynyd the only 2 canon GSPs)

Known Saber Squadron Pilots:

Saber 1: Soontir Fel: We all know Fel for being tied as best fighter pilot in the galaxy, with Wedge (who ironically is also his brother-in-law). His and Saber Squadrons participation in the Battle of Endor is limited to protecting 3 Star Destroyers: Avenger, Chimaera, Pride of Tarlandia. He is noted to have shot down many Green and Blue Squadron pilots, however, the exchange was hardly worth it, as he lost a Heavy ISD (Pride of Tarlandia*) to Green Squadron.

Saber 2: Turr Phennir: Phennir is known as an all round ruthless but competent pilot who's skill was somewhere in the level of Tycho, but not as good. Most notably his role at Endor included being one of the Squints to chase Rebels into the DSII. He obviously failed hi goal there.

Saber 3: Fel's Wrath: Nicknamed Fel's Wrath because he was most commonly the wing-man of Fel himself, he lived up to his name and flew as Fel's wing at Endor. Besides that, we don't really know anything about his participation at Endor

Saber 4: Known only by a very long callsign (DS-181-4 if you must know), He flew as Phennir's wing in the battle. Unknown if he survived or was destroyed during the DSII chase.

*The Pride of Tarlandia is listed as being heavier then an ISD2, but significantly weaker then an SSD. There is no official ship class given for the Tarlandia, but most speculation sets it as something larger then an ISD but a lot smaller then an SSD.

Lets compare a couple of standard builds.

Saber Squadron with Predator and Autothrusters for 26 points

Green Squadron with Test Pilot, Refit, Autothrusters, Predator and Push the Limit for 25 points

Both have 3 Agility with Autothrusters, Boost, and Evade making them both very defensive. Dials are Identical.

Saber is PS 4 while Green is PS 3 so the Green is the beter blocker while the Saber can more effectively arc-dodge because they move after the Green.

The multiple EPTs for the Green makes them very versatile with good Action Economy.

The main defferences are that the Green has Target Lock while Saber has Barrel Roll and Saber has 3 Attack and Green 2.

I believe the Barrel Roll is the better Action and 3 Attack is better than 2.

Advantage Saber.

besides predator (why?) thats a pretty good summary.

So after reviewing the lore extensively, (see my previous posts about the known pilots) it's clear that they actually did clash off-screen, with Green Squadron winning (destroying a Light SSD), but taking heavy losses in the process. Meanwhile some of Saber Squadron chased the Rebel's in the DSII, but were destroyed or followed the Rebels that broke off out of the DSII ultimately failing to protect it. While Saber Squadron seems to have generally speaking better skilled pilots, they still lost when the odds were overwhelmingly in their favor (though one could argue that the odds of Plot Armor trumps all, and therefore the Greens had the advantage being the "good guys")

So after reviewing the lore extensively, (see my previous posts about the known pilots) it's clear that they actually did clash off-screen, with Green Squadron winning (destroying a Light SSD), but taking heavy losses in the process. Meanwhile some of Saber Squadron chased the Rebel's in the DSII, but were destroyed or followed the Rebels that broke off out of the DSII ultimately failing to protect it. While Saber Squadron seems to have generally speaking better skilled pilots, they still lost when the odds were overwhelmingly in their favor (though one could argue that the odds of Plot Armor trumps all, and therefore the Greens had the advantage being the "good guys")

Also, only Wedge and Lando made it out alive....

So after reviewing the lore extensively, (see my previous posts about the known pilots) it's clear that they actually did clash off-screen, with Green Squadron winning (destroying a Light SSD), but taking heavy losses in the process. Meanwhile some of Saber Squadron chased the Rebel's in the DSII, but were destroyed or followed the Rebels that broke off out of the DSII ultimately failing to protect it. While Saber Squadron seems to have generally speaking better skilled pilots, they still lost when the odds were overwhelmingly in their favor (though one could argue that the odds of Plot Armor trumps all, and therefore the Greens had the advantage being the "good guys")

Also, only Wedge and Lando made it out alive....

No, the other Rebel Fighters that broke off (Farrell, Nora Wexley, and Tycho) all made it out, and took some Interceptors with them (including Phennir and his wingmate)

So after reviewing the lore extensively, (see my previous posts about the known pilots) it's clear that they actually did clash off-screen, with Green Squadron winning (destroying a Light SSD), but taking heavy losses in the process. Meanwhile some of Saber Squadron chased the Rebel's in the DSII, but were destroyed or followed the Rebels that broke off out of the DSII ultimately failing to protect it. While Saber Squadron seems to have generally speaking better skilled pilots, they still lost when the odds were overwhelmingly in their favor (though one could argue that the odds of Plot Armor trumps all, and therefore the Greens had the advantage being the "good guys")

Also, only Wedge and Lando made it out alive....

No, the other Rebel Fighters that broke off (Farrell, Nora Wexley, and Tycho) all made it out, and took some Interceptors with them (including Phennir and his wingmate)

I meant the ones who went all the way in. I do like this topic, learning about all this stuff is cool!