Lets compare a couple of standard builds.

Saber Squadron with Predator and Autothrusters for 26 points

Green Squadron with Test Pilot, Refit, Autothrusters, Predator and Push the Limit for 25 points

Both have 3 Agility with Autothrusters, Boost, and Evade making them both very defensive. Dials are Identical.

Saber is PS 4 while Green is PS 3 so the Green is the beter blocker while the Saber can more effectively arc-dodge because they move after the Green.

The multiple EPTs for the Green makes them very versatile with good Action Economy.

The main defferences are that the Green has Target Lock while Saber has Barrel Roll and Saber has 3 Attack and Green 2.

I believe the Barrel Roll is the better Action and 3 Attack is better than 2.

Advantage Saber.

TIE Interceptor: Saber Squadron Pilot (25) X4

Autothrusters (2)

Juke (2)

Total: 100/100

A-Wing: Green Squadron Pilot (25) X4

Autothrusters (2)

A-Wing Test Pilot (0)

Predator (3)

Push The Limit (3)

Chardaan Refit (-2)

Total: 100/100

On pure points, this would be a more even build. But my edge is still Saber Squadron.

STOP GIVING A-WINGS PREDATOR WE'RE NOT IN WAVE 4 ANYMORE

Predator is the only other way to possibility give the A-Wing close to the offensive capability of the Interceptor.

NO NO NO! Predator is massive overkill for a 2 dice ship with PTL. Take Crackshot or Juke, and you have an improved offensive output for cheaper. I feel the urge to slap Predator out of people's hands every time I see them stick it on A-Wings. There are SOOOOOO many much better options now. It's not wave 4 anymore.

Lets compare a couple of standard builds.

Saber Squadron with Predator and Autothrusters for 26 points

Green Squadron with Test Pilot, Refit, Autothrusters, Predator and Push the Limit for 25 points

Both have 3 Agility with Autothrusters, Boost, and Evade making them both very defensive. Dials are Identical.

Saber is PS 4 while Green is PS 3 so the Green is the beter blocker while the Saber can more effectively arc-dodge because they move after the Green.

The multiple EPTs for the Green makes them very versatile with good Action Economy.

The main defferences are that the Green has Target Lock while Saber has Barrel Roll and Saber has 3 Attack and Green 2.

I believe the Barrel Roll is the better Action and 3 Attack is better than 2.

Advantage Saber.

TIE Interceptor: Saber Squadron Pilot (25) X4

Autothrusters (2)

Juke (2)

Total: 100/100

A-Wing: Green Squadron Pilot (25) X4

Autothrusters (2)

A-Wing Test Pilot (0)

Predator (3)

Push The Limit (3)

Chardaan Refit (-2)

Total: 100/100

On pure points, this would be a more even build. But my edge is still Saber Squadron.

STOP GIVING A-WINGS PREDATOR WE'RE NOT IN WAVE 4 ANYMORE

Predator is the only other way to possibility give the A-Wing close to the offensive capability of the Interceptor.

NO NO NO! Predator is massive overkill for a 2 dice ship with PTL. Take Crackshot or Juke, and you have an improved offensive output for cheaper. I feel the urge to slap Predator out of people's hands every time I see them stick it on A-Wings. There are SOOOOOO many much better options now. It's not wave 4 anymore.

You meant to say take Crackshot AND Juke. And fly 5 A-Wings instead. It will tear the saber squadron list to pieces.

Since the builds we are talking here are aces, seems like Outmaneuver is the prime 3 point choice here. With the A-Wings being outgunned, taking an Agility away seems like a key to victory. You don't have to work for Predator, seems to me that's why it comes up so much.

I have really enjoyed these threads! This week's match up is really compelling because of the relative success of both squadrons. I feel like the only real way to answer this would be to agree on the two lists, and have a couple of ace players slug it out. Someone see if Heaver and Bonner are free. They can flip to see who gets Rebels.

I was trying to make a four ship to four ship list. With those upgrades and five A-Wings, the Interceptor doesn't stand a chance.

I still stand with the fact that Saber Squadron is better in a balanced fight. Both in X-Wing and Canon.

There is a reason to take Predator over Juke. It always works. You bump, it works. You are stressed, it works. With Juke you have to take Evade to make it work. One-use cards like Crackshot remind me of ordnance. Use it and it does not pan out, you are kind of hosed.

After rethinking this, I would not take Autothrusters on either ship in this matchup. It will almost never trigger. Stealth Device or Hull Upgrade or Shield Upgrade is probably better.

If I had to joust any Green Squadron Pilot with any Sabre Squadron Pilot and points were of no concern, I would use this:

Sabre Squad with Push the Limit and Stealth Device

Any time the Green had me in Range 1, I would Boost and/or Barrel Roll out of arc. To counteract Juke, I would always take a Focus and save for defense if I was in-arc. The 2 Attack dice is going to have a real hard time punching through 4 Agility, a Focus, and maybe an Evade.

For a 100 point list I would probably go with this:

Sabre with Rage and Stealth Device (or Hull Upgrade) 25 points x 4

If I ever get in Range 1, Activate Rage and watch the fireworks.

As much as I love A-Wings the squints take this one.

On the table: I'd rather be piloting the Sabers. They can arc dodge a heck of a lot better with two movement actions, and the extra red die counts for more than the health advantage A-Wings have.

In the movie: Green Squadron crushed it. They took down a Super Star Destroyer and assisted in taking out a Death Star, all against impossible odds. Saber Squadron protected their ship.

I have really enjoyed these threads! This week's match up is really compelling because of the relative success of both squadrons. I feel like the only real way to answer this would be to agree on the two lists, and have a couple of ace players slug it out. Someone see if Heaver and Bonner are free. They can flip to see who gets Rebels.

Glad they are being enjoyed and that I'm not the only one that thinks about these things... lol

This week I think it is impossible not to get into Legends material to explore the match up, but as far as I know the two never crossed paths at Endor. If there is a Legend (or Cannon) source that says otherwise I'd love to know about it. Aftermath and Shattered Empire have expanded our actual Cannon of the Battle of Endor. I'm reading Lost Stars now and hope it gets into Endor as well.

I was trying to make a four ship to four ship list. With those upgrades and five A-Wings, the Interceptor doesn't stand a chance.

I still stand with the fact that Saber Squadron is better in a balanced fight. Both in X-Wing and Canon.

If it's a 4 ship v. 4 ship, I heartily concur

There is a reason to take Predator over Juke. It always works. You bump, it works. You are stressed, it works. With Juke you have to take Evade to make it work. One-use cards like Crackshot remind me of ordnance. Use it and it does not pan out, you are kind of hosed.

If your A-Wing somehow bumps a higher PS TIE Interceptor, your flying is so atrocious Predator won't save you. If you are good at flying, Predator is a massive overspend, paying 3 points to reroll a single attack die on a ship with only 2, and the ability to Push the Limit for a Target Lock anyway. Crackshot is a better option against Squints, as it only takes 3 hits to 'splode them, and against anything else, take Juke and basically gain unlimited free Crackshots.

In the films, it's clearly a no question. Soontir is no longer canon, so it's a question of who is better: The ships that took out the Executor and most senior Imperial Command Staff, or a bunch of TIE Interceptors who protected one Star Destroyer from destruction and FA else.

There is a reason to take Predator over Juke. It always works. You bump, it works. You are stressed, it works. With Juke you have to take Evade to make it work. One-use cards like Crackshot remind me of ordnance. Use it and it does not pan out, you are kind of hosed.

In the films, it's clearly a no question. Soontir is no longer canon, so it's a question of who is better: The ships that took out the Executor and most senior Imperial Command Staff, or a bunch of TIE Interceptors who protected one Star Destroyer from destruction and FA else.

But it isn't clear. What if Saber Squad had been assigned to the Executor? For this fight, we have to dip into Legends a bit. It's an interesting match up for sure.

There is a reason to take Predator over Juke. It always works. You bump, it works. You are stressed, it works. With Juke you have to take Evade to make it work. One-use cards like Crackshot remind me of ordnance. Use it and it does not pan out, you are kind of hosed.

In the films, it's clearly a no question. Soontir is no longer canon, so it's a question of who is better: The ships that took out the Executor and most senior Imperial Command Staff, or a bunch of TIE Interceptors who protected one Star Destroyer from destruction and FA else.

But it isn't clear. What if Saber Squad had been assigned to the Executor? For this fight, we have to dip into Legends a bit. It's an interesting match up for sure.

You didn't let us dip into the EU last time!

Well considering, Saber Squadron is entirely legends, we do have much legends information to draw upon for Green Squadron.

Known members of Green Squadron as of Endor are:

Green Leader: Arvel Crynyd (KIA): we all know Crynyd for his heroic sacrifice.

Green Wing (KIA): Known only as Green Wing, He joined in an attack on the main Imperial Jamming Ship (Pride of Tarlandia), along with Wedge, The Falcon, Blue Leader, and Gemmer Sojan. He was eventually critically hit and suffered a fate similar to Arvel sacrificing himself to destroy the Imperial ship. Blue Leader was destroyed in the ensuing explosion.

Green 2: Gemmer Sojan: Tasked along with the bulk of Green squadron with disabling Imperial Ion Cannons to allow the Rebel Fleet to engage the Executor. His mission was sucessful, and is personally credited with the destruction of the ISD Pride of Tarlandia.

Green 3: Tycho Celchu: We all know Tycho. He's arguably considered the 3rd best pilot in the galaxy (behind Wedge and Fel). He was temporarily assigned to Green Squadron because extra pilots capable of flying A-wings were needed and he one of the most capable. He flew as top cover for the Falcon, and was one of the pilots to enter the Death Star II.

Green 4: Jake Farrell: One of the oldest pilots in Rebellion, Farrell flew with Crynyd in his assault on the Executor, and was one of the A-wings to take out the bridge deflector. He later flew into DSII, and actually has limited screen time (Making Farrell and Crynyd the only 2 canon GSPs)

Shara Bey is a greenie and is considered official canon as she appeared in a disney/marvel comic. too bad she's not in the game (nor do I see them adding her in the foreseeable future). But I feel her skill would be blank and she would inherit a green die.

There is a reason to take Predator over Juke. It always works. You bump, it works. You are stressed, it works. With Juke you have to take Evade to make it work. One-use cards like Crackshot remind me of ordnance. Use it and it does not pan out, you are kind of hosed.

In the films, it's clearly a no question. Soontir is no longer canon, so it's a question of who is better: The ships that took out the Executor and most senior Imperial Command Staff, or a bunch of TIE Interceptors who protected one Star Destroyer from destruction and FA else.

But it isn't clear. What if Saber Squad had been assigned to the Executor? For this fight, we have to dip into Legends a bit. It's an interesting match up for sure.

You didn't let us dip into the EU last time!

No, the last two I really wanted to find fights that evidence and arguments could be gathered just from the movies.

This one, while we have a movie, the Saber Squadron does not really get any screen time. Most of what we "know" about Green and Saber does come from Legend sources now. I think we're all hoping that our knowledge of The Battle of Endor continues to expand in cannon in the near future. The new books and comics have added to this battle and I recommend Shattered Empire (comic) and Aftermath (book) to everyone. Both of these sources give us just a little bit more. I'm hoping more sources (and movies!) come out to give us an even clearer look at this important battle.

For now, to even be able to talk about Saber vs Green, I think we have to consider Legend, but Cannon material trumps all.

They do hash it out in Legends. In a straight fight over the Light SSD. Green Squadron wins with heavy loss, and proceeds to attack the Executor. Look at my earlier posts.

Well considering, Saber Squadron is entirely legends, we do have much legends information to draw upon for Green Squadron.Known members of Green Squadron as of Endor are:Green Leader: Arvel Crynyd (KIA): we all know Crynyd for his heroic sacrifice.Green Wing (KIA): Known only as Green Wing, He joined in an attack on the main Imperial Jamming Ship (Pride of Tarlandia), along with Wedge, The Falcon, Blue Leader, and Gemmer Sojan. He was eventually critically hit and suffered a fate similar to Arvel sacrificing himself to destroy the Imperial ship. Blue Leader was destroyed in the ensuing explosion.Green 2: Gemmer Sojan: Tasked along with the bulk of Green squadron with disabling Imperial Ion Cannons to allow the Rebel Fleet to engage the Executor. His mission was sucessful, and is personally credited with the destruction of the ISD Pride of Tarlandia.Green 3: Tycho Celchu: We all know Tycho. He's arguably considered the 3rd best pilot in the galaxy (behind Wedge and Fel). He was temporarily assigned to Green Squadron because extra pilots capable of flying A-wings were needed and he one of the most capable. He flew as top cover for the Falcon, and was one of the pilots to enter the Death Star II.Green 4: Jake Farrell: One of the oldest pilots in Rebellion, Farrell flew with Crynyd in his assault on the Executor, and was one of the A-wings to take out the bridge deflector. He later flew into DSII, and actually has limited screen time (Making Farrell and Crynyd the only 2 canon GSPs)

Wasnt Poe's mother part of green Squadron? She is cannon thanks to the comics

Jake and Tycho are the only A-wing pilots that would give Fel trouble. 1 v 1 I want to believe Fel would take either of them, but 2 v 1 puts a lot of pressure on him. Assuming Fel's Wrath/the rest of Saber could keep Fel alive long enough to take out either Jake or Tycho, Fel could probably solo the rest. Outside of those two aces Green squadron has been shown to be good at running really fast maneuverable ships into really slow incredibly large ships. I'm not convinced those kamikaze tactics would translate well in fighting the best TIE Interceptor pilot in the galaxy.

As a side note: I like the theme of the Imp vs Rebel fights, but it will almost never be fair due to the POV bias and plot armor of the Rebels. Somewhere down the road once you start running out of Imp Squadrons that don't insta-die it might be fun to go Rebel vs Rebel.

Jake and Tycho are the only A-wing pilots that would give Fel trouble. 1 v 1 I want to believe Fel would take either of them, but 2 v 1 puts a lot of pressure on him. Assuming Fel's Wrath/the rest of Saber could keep Fel alive long enough to take out either Jake or Tycho, Fel could probably solo the rest. Outside of those two aces Green squadron has been shown to be good at running really fast maneuverable ships into really slow incredibly large ships. I'm not convinced those kamikaze tactics would translate well in fighting the best TIE Interceptor pilot in the galaxy.

As a side note: I like the theme of the Imp vs Rebel fights, but it will almost never be fair due to the POV bias and plot armor of the Rebels. Somewhere down the road once you start running out of Imp Squadrons that don't insta-die it might be fun to go Rebel vs Rebel.

Jake and Tycho are the only A-wing pilots that would give Fel trouble. 1 v 1 I want to believe Fel would take either of them, but 2 v 1 puts a lot of pressure on him. Assuming Fel's Wrath/the rest of Saber could keep Fel alive long enough to take out either Jake or Tycho, Fel could probably solo the rest. Outside of those two aces Green squadron has been shown to be good at running really fast maneuverable ships into really slow incredibly large ships. I'm not convinced those kamikaze tactics would translate well in fighting the best TIE Interceptor pilot in the galaxy.

As a side note: I like the theme of the Imp vs Rebel fights, but it will almost never be fair due to the POV bias and plot armor of the Rebels. Somewhere down the road once you start running out of Imp Squadrons that don't insta-die it might be fun to go Rebel vs Rebel.

Next Friday Han vs Dash

Next week we should take it back an era. HK-47 vs. IG-88, or Canderous vs. Boba/Jango, or something similar to that.

Jake and Tycho are the only A-wing pilots that would give Fel trouble. 1 v 1 I want to believe Fel would take either of them, but 2 v 1 puts a lot of pressure on him. Assuming Fel's Wrath/the rest of Saber could keep Fel alive long enough to take out either Jake or Tycho, Fel could probably solo the rest. Outside of those two aces Green squadron has been shown to be good at running really fast maneuverable ships into really slow incredibly large ships. I'm not convinced those kamikaze tactics would translate well in fighting the best TIE Interceptor pilot in the galaxy.

As a side note: I like the theme of the Imp vs Rebel fights, but it will almost never be fair due to the POV bias and plot armor of the Rebels. Somewhere down the road once you start running out of Imp Squadrons that don't insta-die it might be fun to go Rebel vs Rebel.

Next Friday Han vs Dash

That's Coke vs. Diet Coke surely? There's clearly a right answer, and it's- *gunshot*

Jake and Tycho are the only A-wing pilots that would give Fel trouble. 1 v 1 I want to believe Fel would take either of them, but 2 v 1 puts a lot of pressure on him. Assuming Fel's Wrath/the rest of Saber could keep Fel alive long enough to take out either Jake or Tycho, Fel could probably solo the rest. Outside of those two aces Green squadron has been shown to be good at running really fast maneuverable ships into really slow incredibly large ships. I'm not convinced those kamikaze tactics would translate well in fighting the best TIE Interceptor pilot in the galaxy.

As a side note: I like the theme of the Imp vs Rebel fights, but it will almost never be fair due to the POV bias and plot armor of the Rebels. Somewhere down the road once you start running out of Imp Squadrons that don't insta-die it might be fun to go Rebel vs Rebel.

Next Friday Han vs Dash

That's Coke vs. Diet Coke surely? There's clearly a right answer, and it's- *gunshot*

Edit: Spoilers if you somehow haven't seen The Force Awakens

Dash died so I spose Han has that over...... O wait

Jake and Tycho are the only A-wing pilots that would give Fel trouble. 1 v 1 I want to believe Fel would take either of them, but 2 v 1 puts a lot of pressure on him. Assuming Fel's Wrath/the rest of Saber could keep Fel alive long enough to take out either Jake or Tycho, Fel could probably solo the rest. Outside of those two aces Green squadron has been shown to be good at running really fast maneuverable ships into really slow incredibly large ships. I'm not convinced those kamikaze tactics would translate well in fighting the best TIE Interceptor pilot in the galaxy.

As a side note: I like the theme of the Imp vs Rebel fights, but it will almost never be fair due to the POV bias and plot armor of the Rebels. Somewhere down the road once you start running out of Imp Squadrons that don't insta-die it might be fun to go Rebel vs Rebel.

Next Friday Han vs Dash

That's Coke vs. Diet Coke surely? There's clearly a right answer, and it's- *gunshot*

GREEDO???!!! How'd he get in a running for bets smuggler?

#GreedoShotFirst #JusticeForGreedo #GreenLivesMatter

Or we could settle on a compromise candidate? Coke Zero?

I can give Green Squad credit for taking out the shield generators, but the destruction of the Super Star Destroyer was luck, not skill. You can even see in the film the pilots eyes are closed while he screams to his death right into the bridge.

Saber Squad wins this one hands down.

Saber Squadron. Their leader is renowned ace Soontir Fel. Green Squadron's leader got killed by a generic fighter, and the only reason they got their prestigious kill of a SSD was because their leader's craft didn't go poof in a fireball, but was escorted by the plot directly into the bridge. In a plot armor-less engagement, Saber Squadron wins. Even if we look at the X-wing cards, Green Squadron is PS 3 with no EPT. Saber is PS 4 with an EPT. Saber = better.

Another fun Friday Fight! If anything, I might have to table a Saber vs. Green game of X- wing soon because of this.

I've taken suggestions into consisting for next week. =)