I am far from a fan of the prequels. But some of the starfighter designs are nice, and there's even some canon evidence that restored and refitted prequel-era fighters made it into Rebel hands around the time of ANH.

If FFG rolled out a couple of prequel-era fighters, under exactly those terms, I might be convinced.

Also, if FFG's modellers can make me look at a K-Wing and think "yeah, that kind of works" they can clearly make me accept literally anything.

They are wizards.

Also, the ARC-170 doesn't have three wings. It has one wing and four little radiator flaps. You know what else has little flaps like that? The Assault Gunboat everyone wants.

If the prequels were still the exact same movies, except filmed in the same way the OT was, it would go a long way towards me not hating them, at least they would be visually pleasing. I could then accept the ship designs.

But the triplane X-Wing is CGI garbage and it perfectly symbolizes why those movies aren't good. "HEY GUYS STAR WARS IS COOL SO LETS HAVE AN X WING WITH 3 WINGS AND YODA IS A JEDI MASTER SO LET'S HAVE HIM DO A BUNCH OF FLIPS. WE HAVE CGI NOW SO WE CAN MAKE STAR WARS EVEN BETTER!"

Isn't there literally a scene where a character takes 2-3 lightsabers and starts spinning them at a high rate of speed like airplane propellers?

Also, Star Wars is a lived-in universe, it does not have chrome bananas in it.

As the rest of the film is so horrifically awful I can only enjoy Star Wars by pretending it doesn't exist

I never get tired of the inane hyperbole that gets applied to the prequels, of the way people speak of them like someone brutally gouged the word "trauma" into their soul with half a smashed glass bottle.

Wait no, I do get tired of it. Very tired of it. It's three films that you didn't like, not a life changing catastrophe. Get some **** perspective.

Go hate Star Wars someplace else.

The assault gunboat is just a copy and paste of the lambda with extra wings and missile pods. The Lambda is a cool looking ship already, so the gunboat is even cooler.

The X-Wing is a cool looking ship.

ARC-170 is not a copy and paste of the X-Wing. If it was actually an X-Wing triplane I could tolerate it.

People's inability to separate movie ships from the movie baffles me, honestly. While the movie were bad, generally speaking, the ships were cool. They were also designed for a different era, where ships were taken care of, in a Republic era. When the Galactic Civil War started, the Rebellion had to make do with the ships they had. Eventually they did have some ships built just for them, but again they were not taken care of as well.

I for one look forward to when/if Prequel Ships are added. Especially the ARC-170.

See, my main problem with the prequel ships isn't that they were in the awful prequel movies, or that they were done in CGI rather than practical effects, my problem with them I that (to me at least) they were just not identifiable with Star Wars, and just not very memorable.

Before I joined the forum I could have probably identified the Naboo Bananafighter and Ob-Wan's A-Wing ripoff. Now I know what an ARC-170 is, but I couldn't name a single opposition ship for them, and I certainly couldn't seperate them into appropriate factions/subfactions.

(which I the main reason I haven't added them to the list in my sig yet; I don't know where to start and am not interested enough to try).

All that said, I have no problem whatsoever with FFG producing prequel ships; they do have their fans after all, I just wouldn't buy any myself.

The assault gunboat is just a copy and paste of the lambda with extra wings and missile pods. The Lambda is a cool looking ship already, so the gunboat is even cooler.

The X-Wing is a cool looking ship.

ARC-170 is not a copy and paste of the X-Wing. If it was actually an X-Wing triplane I could tolerate it.

Glad you at least enjoyed TFA. I mean, it was shot differently and with loads of CGI, but at least the ship design is spot on.

As the rest of the film is so horrifically awful I can only enjoy Star Wars by pretending it doesn't exist

I never get tired of the inane hyperbole that gets applied to the prequels, of the way people speak of them like someone brutally gouged the word "trauma" into their soul with half a smashed glass bottle.

Wait no, I do get tired of it. Very tired of it. It's three films that you didn't like, not a life changing catastrophe. Get some **** perspective.

Go hate Star Wars someplace else.

No, I'm geniunely happy for you. If the prequels are genuinely the worst thing ever to happen in your life then you've had an absolutely amazing life.

The assault gunboat is just a copy and paste of the lambda with extra wings and missile pods. The Lambda is a cool looking ship already, so the gunboat is even cooler.

The X-Wing is a cool looking ship.

ARC-170 is not a copy and paste of the X-Wing. If it was actually an X-Wing triplane I could tolerate it.

Wow... I... that's... a completely new level.

Glad you at least enjoyed TFA. I mean, it was shot differently and with loads of CGI, but at least the ship design is spot on.

Not a big fan of the storm trooper dropships though. They look like upside down door stoppers, there is no reason for them to open from the front like a Higgins boat, and they have a generic 2015 sci-fi feel to them, they're something I'd expect to see in the movie adaption of Ender's Game, not Star Wars.

But the rest I'm fine with. Even that "J-Wing" transport B-Wing thing that General Organa and C-3PO showed up in, that's pretty cool.

As the rest of the film is so horrifically awful I can only enjoy Star Wars by pretending it doesn't exist

I never get tired of the inane hyperbole that gets applied to the prequels, of the way people speak of them like someone brutally gouged the word "trauma" into their soul with half a smashed glass bottle.

Wait no, I do get tired of it. Very tired of it. It's three films that you didn't like, not a life changing catastrophe. Get some **** perspective.

**** off

You're reading faaar too much into the ship design there.

After the clear implication that I am an idiot earlier, why would you want to strike up a conversation with me now with such a long reply? I don't get it.

I'm terribly sorry you're pretending to be offended that I called people who like the flashy moving pictures in the Star Wars prequels idiots. Truly, I will never be able to pretend I'm sorry enough to mend your broken heart.

No, I'm geniunely happy for you. If the prequels are genuinely the worst thing ever to happen in your life then you've had an absolutely amazing life.

That's right, there are starving children in Africa, so we can't criticize films. BUT WAIT, women are oppressed in Saudi Arabia, so what are those starving children complaining about eh? BUT WAIT AGAIN, because in other parts of the world children work in sweatshops for less than anyone could live on, so those oppressed women can shut up too!

But wait, maybe one thing being bad doesn't mean other things aren't bad too. And maybe hyperbole is a thing, and people use it. And maybe getting offended over someone not liking a film you like is one of the worst ways to spend your time.

Offended? No. Just saying that a grown man going into a block caps tantrum over it over ten years after the last one came out is getting very old, as is calling people idiots because they don't treat anything associated with those films as anathema. Note I never said I liked the prequels. I have no issue with your views, I'm taking issue with how you've expressed them.

I'd expect a forum full of people that mostly claim to be married men to be a little more mature about things they dislike. I can say that I think the prequels are fairly weak films and their box office success comes mostly from their IP rather than their own merit without acting like they've physically harmed me.

Offended? No. Just saying that a grown man going into a block caps tantrum over it over ten years after the last one came out is getting very old, as is calling people idiots because they don't treat anything associated with those films as anathema.

I'd expect a forum full of people that mostly claim to be married men to be a little more mature about things they dislike. I can say that I think the prequels are fairly weak films and their box office success comes mostly from their IP rather than their own merit without acting like they've physically harmed me.

You do know what that issss?

However, even taking everything I said at face value, assuming I honestly believe the prequels are so bad they gave me cancer, my posts would not be so disgusting as your smug pretence at the moral high ground. Telling people to 'grow up' and 'calm down'. What a horribly self-righteous thing to say, especially in response to something so tepid as pretending someone called you an 'idiot'. How vapid do you have to be to accuse other people of having tantrums?

You people need to calm down. Just because people like something you don't make them idiots. While I don't think the prequels were by any means good films, I enjoy them for what they are. We understand your view point, I think most people agree with you. Now calm down. It's just a movie trilogy.

As the rest of the film is so horrifically awful I can only enjoy Star Wars by pretending it doesn't exist

I never get tired of the inane hyperbole that gets applied to the prequels, of the way people speak of them like someone brutally gouged the word "trauma" into their soul with half a smashed glass bottle.

Wait no, I do get tired of it. Very tired of it. It's three films that you didn't like, not a life changing catastrophe. Get some **** perspective.

**** off

I was tempted to post a YouTube video of Duke Nukem saying, "Blow it out your ass."

Holy mother of Liam Neeson. Go make your own thread for this garbage.

People's inability to separate movie ships from the movie baffles me, honestly. While the movie were bad, generally speaking, the ships were cool. They were also designed for a different era, where ships were taken care of, in a Republic era. When the Galactic Civil War started, the Rebellion had to make do with the ships they had. Eventually they did have some ships built just for them, but again they were not taken care of as well.

I for one look forward to when/if Prequel Ships are added. Especially the ARC-170.

I have a problem with adding the prequel ships simply because they are 'old', Any of the 'mass produced' ships should be outdated and not as good as their counterparts.I didn't like it with the TIE prototype they brought out(its a prototype version but has a better move dial?) and I can't see it being any better with a whole wave of 'old' ships that makes any sense. I am very much against anymore of the mass produced prequel ships, if you want to add pilots that's fine but the ships gotta stay outside.

People's inability to separate movie ships from the movie baffles me, honestly. While the movie were bad, generally speaking, the ships were cool. They were also designed for a different era, where ships were taken care of, in a Republic era. When the Galactic Civil War started, the Rebellion had to make do with the ships they had. Eventually they did have some ships built just for them, but again they were not taken care of as well.

I for one look forward to when/if Prequel Ships are added. Especially the ARC-170.

I have a problem with adding the prequel ships simply because they are 'old', Any of the 'mass produced' ships should be outdated and not as good as their counterparts.I didn't like it with the TIE prototype they brought out(its a prototype version but has a better move dial?) and I can't see it being any better with a whole wave of 'old' ships that makes any sense. I am very much against anymore of the mass produced prequel ships, if you want to add pilots that's fine but the ships gotta stay outside.

I personally love the arc. It's a very pretty ship and would love to see it in the game.

Many ships in this game come from the prequel era so being too old is a poor excuse.

Plus if we go by that logic, the only ships worth using in this game are from tfa.

The thing I hate most about the ARC-170 is the way the nose of the ship droops down.

And that LAAT gunship is fat and ugly.

See, this is why things being mediocre is worse than things being outright terrible. If the prequels were holiday special tier, we could unanimously denounce them. And no one would want ships from them in the game just like no one wants Chewbacca's father crew in the game. But since they're, "Jeez, they're not the WORST things in the world. That's /just your opinion/ that they suck, I think the Assault Gunboat sucks too" we have to have this discussion. Go like Nickelback someplace else.

If harsh noise music or jungle or some other obnoxious genre of music was played on the radio constantly, everyone would recoil in disgust. But when something that's just mediocre gets played on the radio, the complainers have to argue with a bunch of asshats that don't even like Nickelback all that much saying, "Nickelback isn't /that bad/. You just want everyone to play Edith Piaf and Beethoven's 6th constantly and that's just YOUR tastes which are subjective." Wow dude, so happy we have to hear some ****** bag growl out, "LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH, EVERYTIME I SEE IT IT MAKES ME LAUGH" endlessly on repeat instead of Odessey & Oracle by The Zombies.

She watches her flowers grow, while lovers come and go to give each other roses from her tree, but not a rose for Emily. Sorry, excellent album, check it out.

People's inability to separate movie ships from the movie baffles me, honestly. While the movie were bad, generally speaking, the ships were cool. They were also designed for a different era, where ships were taken care of, in a Republic era. When the Galactic Civil War started, the Rebellion had to make do with the ships they had. Eventually they did have some ships built just for them, but again they were not taken care of as well.

I for one look forward to when/if Prequel Ships are added. Especially the ARC-170.

I have a problem with adding the prequel ships simply because they are 'old', Any of the 'mass produced' ships should be outdated and not as good as their counterparts.I didn't like it with the TIE prototype they brought out(its a prototype version but has a better move dial?) and I can't see it being any better with a whole wave of 'old' ships that makes any sense. I am very much against anymore of the mass produced prequel ships, if you want to add pilots that's fine but the ships gotta stay outside.

You say old, you know the headhunter is that old? The falcon was around a long long time before the clone wars as well. I'm not calling you out or anything I'm just saying that we have ships that are that old and older already.

I personally love the arc. It's a very pretty ship and would love to see it in the game.

First it isn't the old ships in general its just old ships coming out now. First all the large ship work a bit better since large ships have a bit more room to differentiate between one another and make more sense, I am much more OK with old large ships. As for the 'mass produced' warships like the Headhunter, those are more problematic. The Headhunter itself works, since the X-wing could drop slightly and still be useful. So the Headhunter being a pre-X-wing does that just fine. In the game its a cheaper less powerful, less beefy X-wing, perfect. But there really isn't much more room to make cuts anymore. The prequels all have to be worse(raw statwise, not overall playwise) than the current ships but I simply don't see any room in the game to do that, again with the smaller ships.

wants Chewbacca's father crew in the game.

We as a community can make this happen!! Win Worlds; create Chewbacca's Father Crew. And Lumpy!!!!!

My point is that claiming any design in Star Wars is objectively stupid is daft when the basic three are the Millenium Falcon, X-wing and TIE fighter,

I think the design inspiration for the Falcon was a hamburger with an olive. I can never unsee that.

The Falcon is a terrible freighter. There is zero place to stick legit cargo. There are very limited places to put illicit cargo. It just... It doesn't work.

The Ghost, however, does. It's what the Falcon looks like when it's been designed by people who know how things work.

From a podcast interview with a developer, then going into prequels, then to a comparison of nickleback and chewie's father. I... Well... All I have to say is bravo. I feel truly sorry for the OP cause this thread not only derailed, it skipped another rail and jumped onto the tracks to Narnia.

I will have to have a go at the podcast, I normally stay away from these things but this one sounds mighty interesting.

Edit: I'm actually 100% certain para has used that nickelback reference in the same vein before...

From a podcast interview with a developer, then going into prequels, then to a comparison of nickleback and chewie's father. I... Well... All I have to say is bravo. I feel truly sorry for the OP cause this thread not only derailed, it skipped another rail and jumped onto the tracks to Narnia.

I will have to have a go at the podcast, I normally stay away from these things but this one sounds mighty interesting.

Edit: I'm actually 100% certain para has used that nickelback reference in the same vein before...

Ha! Yeah... pretty much... but yes, definitely listen to the Podcast. It is very much worth it... just ignore the next 7 pages... they have nothing to do with the interview (aside from one or two marginal comments that were tangent to the interview).