Colonel Jendon + Gozanti + Suppressor

By kurodachi, in X-Wing Rules Questions

I'm looking for a squadron with the Gozanti and I found this combination.

The Epic ship cann't do free actions but Jendon give the blue target lock to a friend ship... It could be the Gozanti?

and If the Gozanti with the Suppresor Title can use his habilitie?

It is a correct combo? I think so. Please tell me you opinions.

Someone can say me something? I have a big doubt with this .

Jendon:"At the start of the combat phase, you may assign 1 of your blue target lock tokens to a friendly ship at range 1, if it does not have a blue target lock token."

Suppresor: "Once per round, after you acquire a target lock on an enemy ship, you may remove 1 focus, evade, or blue target lock token from that ship."

Jendo only passes a token, he does not grant a target lock action.

So receiving a blue TL-token from Jendon is not the same as performing a TL-action. Since you do not perform the TL-action, the rule forbiding huge ships from doing free actions doesn't come in to play. And for the same reason, Suppressor doesn't trigger.

"Acquire a Target Lock" is the exact wording of the Action in the rules of getting the target lock tokens.

Because Jendon transfers a token, I would assume that the wording of Suppressor is not satisfied and can not trigger.

But... When Jendon give (or Pass) the blue TL, the Gozanti "acquire a Target Lock", independently of it was an action, a free action or whatever... An this is the trigger of this hability

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But... When Jendon give (or Pass) the blue TL, the Gozanti "acquire a Target Lock", independently of it was an action, a free action or whatever... An this is the trigger of this hability

No he does not Acquire a Target Lock, because that require you to measure for Range, and assign a red token to the target and a blue target to you.

Instead he is assigned a blue target lock token.

The Target Lock was acquired by Jendon, and then gifted to the recipient.

In this game, "Acquire a Target Lock" is a specific game term, outside of the looser definition of "Acquire" found in the OED.

I expect this question to pop up a lot more once the TIE/v1 title is released. I hope that FFG adds this to the FAQ.

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I expect this question to pop up a lot more once the TIE/v1 title is released. I hope that FFG adds this to the FAQ.

Yeah, Jendon's clarification should really include a line about the token assignment not counting as "acquiring a target lock".

Really shouldn't be necessary. The rules clearly specify what happens when you remove a blue target lock from a ship and even what happens if it is assigned to another ship.

RRG page 3, 1st column, 2nd to last bullet.

Really shouldn't be necessary. The rules clearly specify what happens when you remove a blue target lock from a ship and even what happens if it is assigned to another ship.

RRG page 3, 1st column, 2nd to last bullet.

This is exactly the sort of thing that should be in the FAQ entry for Jendon (and probably the v1 title, and Manaroo). There are a ton of FAQ entries that are clearly spelled out in the rules, if you take the time to dig through the rules and think through the entire interaction. Having it in the FAQ puts it in an easy to find spot and makes it easy to deal with during a dispute at a tournament. You get away from people arguing about the meaning of "acquire" and can point to something that is as clear as "When a target lock token is reassigned, it does not count as acquiring or spending a target lock".

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Really shouldn't be necessary. The rules clearly specify what happens when you remove a blue target lock from a ship and even what happens if it is assigned to another ship.

RRG page 3, 1st column, 2nd to last bullet.

This is exactly the sort of thing that should be in the FAQ entry for Jendon (and probably the v1 title, and Manaroo). There are a ton of FAQ entries that are clearly spelled out in the rules, if you take the time to dig through the rules and think through the entire interaction. Having it in the FAQ puts it in an easy to find spot and makes it easy to deal with during a dispute at a tournament. You get away from people arguing about the meaning of "acquire" and can point to something that is as clear as "When a target lock token is reassigned, it does not count as acquiring or spending a target lock".

It's already covered in the FAQ on page 4, under "Assigning a Token to Your Ship", where it specifically discusses the difference between assigning and performing the action.

Really shouldn't be necessary. The rules clearly specify what happens when you remove a blue target lock from a ship and even what happens if it is assigned to another ship.

RRG page 3, 1st column, 2nd to last bullet.

This is exactly the sort of thing that should be in the FAQ entry for Jendon (and probably the v1 title, and Manaroo). There are a ton of FAQ entries that are clearly spelled out in the rules, if you take the time to dig through the rules and think through the entire interaction. Having it in the FAQ puts it in an easy to find spot and makes it easy to deal with during a dispute at a tournament. You get away from people arguing about the meaning of "acquire" and can point to something that is as clear as "When a target lock token is reassigned, it does not count as acquiring or spending a target lock".

It's already covered in the FAQ on page 4, under "Assigning a Token to Your Ship", where it specifically discusses the difference between assigning and performing the action.

I don't think it actually is:

"Assigning a Token to Your Ship

When an ability instructs you to assign a token to your ship, this is different
than performing a free action that provides the same token. For example, Kyle
Katarn’s (pilot) ability allows you to “assign 1 of your focus tokens to another
friendly ship at Range 1–3.” A ship that has a focus or evade token assigned
to it can still perform that action during the round."
This is just saying that having a token assigned by an ability isn't the same as taking a free action for it and doesn't prevent a player from actually taking that action. That's not really saying the same thing as "When a token is reassigned, it does not count as acquiring or spending the token". "Acquiring a target lock" isn't inherently an action, upgrades like FCS and K4 prove that.
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But in the context of this topic, Jendon is assigning a token, not an action, and therefore the Suppressor title doesn't trigger.

But in the context of this topic, Jendon is assigning a token, not an action, and therefore the Suppressor title doesn't trigger.

But if you could put an FCS on the same ship as the title, the FCS would trigger the title, correct? That's not an action.

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But in the context of this topic, Jendon is assigning a token, not an action, and therefore the Suppressor title doesn't trigger.

But if you could put an FCS on the same ship as the title, the FCS would trigger the title, correct? That's not an action.

Yeah, the FCS would trigger, but then that would have nothing to do with Jendon.

But in the context of this topic, Jendon is assigning a token, not an action, and therefore the Suppressor title doesn't trigger.

But if you could put an FCS on the same ship as the title, the FCS would trigger the title, correct? That's not an action.

Yeah, the FCS would trigger, but then that would have nothing to do with Jendon.

The part of the FAQ you pointed me to, doesn't really help out someone looking for a definitive answer to "Does getting a token assigned by Jendon count as acquiring a target lock". It makes it clear that being assigned a target lock token isn't the same thing as taking the acquire target lock action. That's not really an important piece of information since we don't need it to count as an action.

You can hit a few different spots in the FAQ and RRG and come away with some relatively solid evidence to support that being assigned a target lock isn't the same as acquiring one. There isn't a clear, unambiguous statement that you can point to though that doesn't requiring some explaining. That's why there should be something in the FAQ for Jendon about it.

But in the context of this topic, Jendon is assigning a token, not an action, and therefore the Suppressor title doesn't trigger.

But if you could put an FCS on the same ship as the title, the FCS would trigger the title, correct? That's not an action.

Yeah, the FCS would trigger, but then that would have nothing to do with Jendon.

The part of the FAQ you pointed me to, doesn't really help out someone looking for a definitive answer to "Does getting a token assigned by Jendon count as acquiring a target lock". It makes it clear that being assigned a target lock token isn't the same thing as taking the acquire target lock action. That's not really an important piece of information since we don't need it to count as an action.

You can hit a few different spots in the FAQ and RRG and come away with some relatively solid evidence to support that being assigned a target lock isn't the same as acquiring one. There isn't a clear, unambiguous statement that you can point to though that doesn't requiring some explaining. That's why there should be something in the FAQ for Jendon about it.

I can see what you mean. But I'm addressing the OP's question about Jendon and the Gozanti/Suppressor, and the confusion he's got about whether the "assigning" the blue TL token counts as performing the action for the effect of triggering the Suppressor title.

I think the FAQ entry for assigning tokens is pretty clear, but that the FAQ entry for Jendon could most definitely do with an addendum to clarify he's not passing an opportunity to perform the action. It is something they should probably spell out specifically under Jendon's entry and not try and cheat it by just adding "See Assigning a Token on page 4."

There's nothing more frustrating that trying to find a ruling in a document and being referred to multiple places in the document, instead of just giving a consistent ruling in those multiple places. This is something I've noticed in the new Rules Ref, is that FFG have done away with referencing another rule and just repeated the applicable rule within whatever body of text it is needed in. It has led to multiple occurences of a same rule within the RR and that has the added bonus of making it hard to miss.

But I'm addressing the OP's question about Jendon and the Gozanti/Suppressor, and the confusion he's got about whether the "assigning" the blue TL token counts as performing the action for the effect of triggering the Suppressor title.

That wasn't what the OP was asking. He was asking if Jendon's ability counted as "acquiring a target lock" for the purposes of triggering the suppressor title. All the stuff about actions was just other people mis understanding the comment about huge ships and free actions.

Well, Thank you for all the oppinions. First I want to say that English isn't my first lenguange and for us the exppression "acquiring a target lock" is only "get a target lock", I didn't see that it is the same text that appear in the rules to do the action of target lock.

But thanks for yours comments, I think that only the action trigger the suppresor title, It is a shame, because Jendon would win a great combo to be played back...