So this was an interesting scenario from my regular Monday night play at my FLGS. I was playing a list designed to shut down ordnance carriers alpha strikes (my local meta is heavy with ordnance experimentation before Guidance Chips hits) which has Biggs, Jake and Miranda. My opponent was playing a classic Dash / Corran list.

I moved Biggs to where I figured Dash would be going and my opponent pulled off the move I was expecting meaning Biggs was at range 1 of Dash. I then moved Miranda to within range 2 of Dash. Miranda shot Dash, then Dash wanted to shoot Miranda. I said he couldn't because Biggs was within Range 1 of Miranda and also at Range 1 of Dash meaning Dash had not shot with his titled HLC. I figured Dash COULD target Biggs - but he couldn't shoot because his main weapon doesn't shoot at Range 1.

My opponent is a relatively new player and took my word for it and we moved on. But it's been bugging me...

Was I right?

Nope. You only have to attack Biggs if you can. If I read you correctly Dash could not shoot at Biggs and there for was free to pick an other target.

Like Smuggler said. Biggs wasn't legal target for Dash so he could shoot Miranda freely.

**** - I shall apologise to my opponent next game night.

Thanks for this, guys.

Duke

If Dash didn't have the Outrider title, he would have had a Range 1 primary shot on Biggs and therefore would have had to have targeted him. But with the title, as has been said above, he can't shoot at Range 1, and so Biggs could not have been targeted.

I think I can see where your confusion comes from though.

You do have to shoot biggs if able, even if that means picking a different weapon. The problem in this case is Dash doesn't have another weapon to pick from.

Yeah - I looked at it and thought "Biggs is in Range 1. It's not my problem that Dash is running HLC with Outrider - Biggs is still in Range 1". Obviously if Biggs was beyond Range 3 that's cut and dried - but I just figured he was at Range 1 and so it was 'technically' possible to target Biggs.

Mind you, if you guys are right, here's a really interesting edge case (this would be as rare as hens teeth but bear with me) - Dash has Proton Rockets - Biggs is at Range 1 and in arc and Dash has a TL on him. Does Dash HAVE to shoot the Prockets at Biggs? Following the logic you've all outlined above - he must. Right? If he didn't have the TL, he wouldn't have to...

Duke

Dash has Proton Rockets - Biggs is at Range 1 and in arc and Dash has a TL on him. Does Dash HAVE to shoot the Prockets at Biggs?

Yes and no. At that point his option would be to shoot with the Prockets, or not shoot at all. Biggs doesn't make anyone shoot him, only forces them to target him if able, even if that means using a secondary weapon.

Edit: That all assumes he can fire that secondary weapon. If Dash didn't have a Focus token, which is all you need to fire a procket then Biggs wouldn't be a valid target for his available weapons.

Edit: That all assumes he can fire that secondary weapon. If Dash didn't have a Focus token, which is all you need to fire a procket then Biggs wouldn't be a valid target for his available weapons.

Yes - forgot Prockets didn't need a TL. Substitute a range 1 missile that needs TL (like Cluster Missiles). But I get your point anyway. Dash could choose not to shoot or shoot at Biggs if his ordnance was a Range 1 weapon.

Learning stuff all the time - thanks guys!

Duke

A lot of people forget or overlook the "if the attacker could target you instead" part of the card and just think Biggs is this flying shield that prevents anybody from attacking anybody else ever. You still have to be able to legally target Biggs and have a weapon that can shoot at him for him to draw your fire onto him.

Dash has Proton Rockets - Biggs is at Range 1 and in arc and Dash has a TL on him. Does Dash HAVE to shoot the Prockets at Biggs?

Yes and no. At that point his option would be to shoot with the Prockets, or not shoot at all. Biggs doesn't make anyone shoot him, only forces them to target him if able, even if that means using a secondary weapon.

Edit: That all assumes he can fire that secondary weapon. If Dash didn't have a Focus token, which is all you need to fire a procket then Biggs wouldn't be a valid target for his available weapons.

Dash in the Outrider (titled) with Proton Rockets and a cannon, still has the donut hole, so he still can't shoot Biggs. Proton Rockets are Range 2 only.

Edit: Ignore the ramblings of an over-tired gamer.

Dash in the Outrider (titled) with Proton Rockets and a cannon, still has the donut hole, so he still can't shoot Biggs. Proton Rockets are Range 2 only.

Do you store your Proton Rockets mixed in with your Advanced Homing Missiles by any chance?

Dash in the Outrider (titled) with Proton Rockets and a cannon, still has the donut hole, so he still can't shoot Biggs. Proton Rockets are Range 2 only.

Do you store your Proton Rockets mixed in with your Advanced Homing Missiles by any chance?

Yes, apparently I do!