Tournaments are often cut throat but, for me at least, good sportsmanship counts for far more. Helping a new player by over looking honest mistakes is cool; I am not saying that you should allow someone to take advantage of you either. I know not every agrees with that idea though.

Have you every played Go or Pente? In those games if you are about to make a move that will let you win in a couple of turns or if your opponents misses something that would let you win, the proper thing to do is tell your opponent. That is how it is suppose to be played. The idea is that to truly a win it must not be though mistakes but by strategy; your's against theirs. Winning because your opponent missed something really isn't a win at all since you are probably not really the better player/strategist.

But as I said above. Tournaments are a different beast all together and often cut throat. I think you did what was right for you and that you should be proud of a well played game, even a loss.

if your opponent **** up and asks for mercy, the ball is in your court

there is no right or wrong answer there.

There is no rule allowing you to allow your opponent to change their dial. Setting the wrong direction bank is not a missed opportunity and it's not hard to just rotate the dial window relative to the direction of the ship so that you don't screw up.

The OP and his opponent broke the rules.

It's a Store Championship, don't cut people breaks. If they cut you one, stab them in the back.

You sound like you're no fun to play with at all. What happened to 'fly casual'?

if your opponent **** up and asks for mercy, the ball is in your court

there is no right or wrong answer there.

There is no rule allowing you to allow your opponent to change their dial. Setting the wrong direction bank is not a missed opportunity and it's not hard to just rotate the dial window relative to the direction of the ship so that you don't screw up.

The OP and his opponent broke the rules.

It's a Store Championship, don't cut people breaks. If they cut you one, stab them in the back.

You sound like you're no fun to play with at all. What happened to 'fly casual'?

Look at his post history.

Thanks for the replies.

First of all, I did not ask to regen the shield. I just noted it and he allowed. Neither did he ask for permission to change the dial and was ready to hit the asteroid.

I want to highlight one element above first. Noting that you forgot a shield, for a lot people, isn't much different from asking for one. You can put an opponent on the spot at that point by doing so. I tend to keep my own missed opportunities to myself until after the game because of that.

I think that the responses that have pointed out that you should do what leaves you feeling best about it at the time and not based on the result. If you're going to be bothered by a result, then you probably shouldn't have placed your shield back nor should you have allowed the dial change. If you were enjoying the game and happy with the decision at the time, then you should feel satisfied.

As people have said before, it is a complete judgment call on your part.

By rights, you could have made him fly onto the asteroid and bathed in the tears of your enemies. This is a "serious" tournament and that is what the dial showed.

I applaud you for allowing him to make the move he intended, and flying casual, even in tournament setting.

I think you adhered to the "Fly Casual" ethos. He gave you a break, which saved Corran; you gave your opponent a break, which killed Corran. You got a few more turns' worth of action from your E-Wing, you extended kindness to your opponent, and you supported the play community. If it continues to bother you, then you'll need to make sure not to fix actions you've forgotten so that you don't "owe" the opponent any mistakes.

Once you took that retroactive shield for your own ship you set the standard that "take backs" were allowed.

It would have been hypocritical for you to take that shield and then deny your opponent a similar courtesy.

If you're not cheating, you're not trying, right?

You both broke the rules to try and gain an advantage. This time it worked out better for your opponent. Next time who knows?

Speaking purely as a matter of RAW, you can not change a dial after it's set. The missed opportunities rule does not apply here. Neither side has the option of letting someone change their dial once set. The thing with Horn however was a missed opportunity, so that is again RAW completely different.

But if I were in that same situation I'd likely of done the same thing. But I would of also explained that changing the dial after the fact isn't really allowed and show him how to orientate the dial to match the ship so you don't pick the wrong direction.

I'm fairly lenient when playing someone new to the game. But people shouldn't use Fly Casual as an excuse to fly carelessly or to break the rules.

The right answer for yourself simply lies in this question you must ask yourself-

Would it have bugged me even more if I had made the opposite decision? Where I would have won the game because I did not let him change the maneuver?

If so, then your moral compass leans towards compassion. If not, then your moral compass leans towards competitiveness.

Nothing wrong with either. You just have to decide for yourself which would weigh more heavily on you, and avoid that decision.

I think you made the fair call. He let you regen, you let him change direction.

As people have said before, it is a complete judgment call on your part.

By rights, you could have made him fly onto the asteroid and bathed in the tears of your enemies. This is a "serious" tournament and that is what the dial showed.

I applaud you for allowing him to make the move he intended, and flying casual, even in tournament setting.

I am so stealing this and wording it for my students who skip class. In the hands of a mathematics instructor, it's just hilarious to use (properly reworded, of course!). At least to me. On exams day.

Judging the validity of the choice based on the outcome of the game isn't how I would think about it. Making it retroactively wrong because you didn't win isn't cool. Same for only allowing the move if you think that it won't harm you very much.

Either you're playing the kind of game where you let the other player correct honest mistakes, or you're not

I think this is spot on.

For me I have always tried to 'Fly Causal' when it comes to competitive events. Sure, I want to play to win, but I also want my opponent to walk away from a game, win lose or draw, happy that they played me and would want to play me again.

Never is this more challenging then in a tournament with a new player who make almost constant mistakes. You of course want to help a new player out along they way to help expand their knowledge of the game, even remind them to take actions from time to time, but in the same right, you want to win the game.

For me, I never flinch or second guess in situation like this. I am a pretty easy going guy, I would have allowed the player to take the move they intended and not thought twice about. Even if, in the end, it would have cost me the game. Especially if I had asked to retroactively add a shield I forgot to add due to an effect. Then, I have no real legs to stand on in the argument.

In the end, it is a game. And if I am unskilled enough to be out maneuvered by a new player and lose the game, that is on me. My generosity had nothing to do with that at all.

In a recent store championship, one of my opponents assigned a red maneuver to an already stressed Omega Leader. Now, if I wanted to, I could have assigned a 5 Straight to that ship, flown it off the board and been within my rights to do so. I didn't do that however, its not sporting in my opinion. I assigned him a hard 3 maneuver which took OL out of the fight for three turns. Hard enough to hurt but not bad that it was game changing. I won the game, and my opponent at the end of the game thanked me for not doing the 'jerk-move'.

In the end, if you are going to ask you opponent to Fly Causal and allow you to correct a mistake, you should do the same.

I'm less worried about the personal ramifications of the situation (both players agreed and it seems like a sportsman-like exchange) and more worried about whether or not you can even "fix" a mistaken dial move like that according to the rules. I'm pretty sure that if you reveal a legal maneuver you have to perform it. Even if you activate a ship that has been assigned the wrong dial, you must still perform the maneuver shown if that ship is capable of doing so, ie if it has that same colour move on it's dial as well, so in this case, was the reassigning of the dial actually legal? The maneuver was, so I'm kind of at a loss as to how the rules cover this. Is this a missed opportunity in that the player did not check his dials properly and thus missed an obvious mistake, or was it just a bad move?

Who cares about the emotional content. Two players agreed to terms and played by them. Fair enough, there isn't really any room for, or cause for discussion; that's a rather personal and case by case situation. Though we could go on at length about the moral and social implications of that discussion, I think that what is more important is the rules content of the debate. And so again, I ask: Is it permissible within the rules to be allowed to change ones dial after revealing a maneuver that results in an outcome that is unfavourable to the active player?

In short; is that even legal to do man? Where is the line between missed opportunity and bad move?

edit: Also, if it's supposed to be a game of strategy vs strategy then shouldn't part of your plan be to make sure you don't make any mistakes? Plus, we don't know the exact layout of the table, it could very well have been that the player thought a bank 3 would have put him in a great spot behind cover and away from Dash, with his Phantom coming in for support. The OP could very well have given the game away. Not that it really matters a whole pile, unless you actually had a shot a beating Paul, which by the way is probably the only real reason to win Worlds now anyways.

But unless it's an obvious flying off the map first turn because you had a total mental fart, I'd say a bad move is a bad move and the only way to get better is to live by your mistakes, and to do so graciously.

For me, I've got levels of "acceptable" mistakes that I'll let an opponent fix.

Forgot a Focus (or other) token? Probably. Too many players (notably swarm players) just FORGET that they took a different action. Had one opponent say he forgot Focus a couple times during the combat phase, and I gently reminded him, EACH TIME, that he had chosen to barrel roll instead (this is not a new player). If someone took no actions and Focus was the obvious choice, then yeah, I'll generally allow that.

Forgot to use an ability? Probably not. This generally changes the game state too much, especially if we've already begun planning the next bit.

Wrong maneuver? Probably not. If it's an issue of a slippery dial, I'll never argue that. But going left instead of right, I'd almost never go for. It's too easy for a player to scum this kind of allowance, as they use the "oops" maneuver to try something they hoped would work (even if it was obvious it wouldn't). I know this isn't something most folks would do, but it's enough for me to shut it down 99% of the time. I might apologize for the rough luck, but that's the only concession I'm likely to give.

Red maneuver while stressed? You better believe I'm going to take advantage of that. That's probably not very "fly casual" of me, but any other response would allow an opponent to act with knowledge they didn't have when initially setting the dial (unless they're moving absolutely first, I suppose). It's only happened once, and I used the move to position the enemy out of the fight for a couple rounds, but I wouldn't be opposed to flying an opponent into an obstacle or clear off the board (though I suspect that goes against the fly casual motto).

I'm actually a really laid back player, too. I'll probably give an opponent the benefit of the doubt during questionable moments (really close range determination, bases "resting" against obstacles, etc...), but, in tournament play I WILL use mistakes to my advantage. It is, after all, a part of the game.

I won the game, and my opponent at the end of the game thanked me for not doing the 'jerk-move'.

To me that's the height of bad sportsmanship on his part. You were well within your rights to send him off the board, and doing so is not a 'jerk move' and anyone who thinks it is, is the real problem. No one should ever be thought of poorly for taking full advantage of someone else's mistake.

I don't mind letting someone correct things in a casual tournament, but in a Store championship I would be hesitant. I forgot my FCS in the store championship the other day and not once did I ask for it. One guy reminded me, and I said no, I forgot but he insisted so I took it. Didn't matter because the ship died before I could use it.

What bothers me is when players try to play strict, but at the same time are breaking the rules. In one match I played I was decloaking whisper and I laid the template down like I was decloaking left on the mat. I did not make the declaration and the template was never put next to the ship. I declared a forward decloak once I realized I was going to hit an asteroid and the player said you can't. You already put it down for a decloak left. Technically he was correct, however the asteroid I was going to hit was not legal and were his asteroids. I almost requested a replay because he was using debris from the raider and two identical large asteroids. Which, the rules clearly state, is illegal. Guess it's kind of a catch 22.

As people have said before, it is a complete judgment call on your part.

By rights, you could have made him fly onto the asteroid and bathed in the tears of your enemies. This is a "serious" tournament and that is what the dial showed.

I applaud you for allowing him to make the move he intended, and flying casual, even in tournament setting.

I am so stealing this and wording it for my students who skip class. In the hands of a mathematics instructor, it's just hilarious to use (properly reworded, of course!). At least to me. On exams day.

I know a teacher who had a water bottle that had "Students' Tears" printed on it.

In short; is that even legal to do man? Where is the line between missed opportunity and bad move?

No it is not. RAW a ship must perform the maneuver revealed, unless it is an illegal one, red when stressed, wrong dial, ect... Or you have some ability to change it, such as Navigator.

What bothers me is when players try to play strict, but at the same time are breaking the rules.

Honestly based on your side of it, it sounds like the guy was a cheater.

When you put the template on the mat was it anywhere near Whisper? I mean if you put it close enough to judge where the decloak would take you then I could see it. But if it were a foot away and not really liked up with Whisper, that's not a declaration of intent.

Also as you point out he wasn't using legal obstacles and the TO should of gotten involved in the first match and made him correct it.

Never is this more challenging then in a tournament with a new player who make almost constant mistakes. You of course want to help a new player out along they way to help expand their knowledge of the game, even remind them to take actions from time to time, but in the same right, you want to win the game.

For me, I never flinch or second guess in situation like this. I am a pretty easy going guy, I would have allowed the player to take the move they intended and not thought twice about.

The worst feeling is when you spend the first half of the game correcting things your opponent is doing wrong (usually in their favor) and then they nail you on a missed opportunity that most players would have probably let slide (or at least brought to your attention before it became a missed opportunity).

Never is this more challenging then in a tournament with a new player who make almost constant mistakes. You of course want to help a new player out along they way to help expand their knowledge of the game, even remind them to take actions from time to time, but in the same right, you want to win the game.

For me, I never flinch or second guess in situation like this. I am a pretty easy going guy, I would have allowed the player to take the move they intended and not thought twice about.

The worst feeling is when you spend the first half of the game correcting things your opponent is doing wrong (usually in their favor) and then they nail you on a missed opportunity that most players would have probably let slide (or at least brought to your attention before it became a missed opportunity).

Though to be fair if you're correcting or allowing things with the expectation of recompense then you have the wrong intent behind your actions and that's icky too. If you're going to be magnanimous and let them fix errors it should be because that feels right to you and not because there is a chance they'll let you fix something later.

What bothers me is when players try to play strict, but at the same time are breaking the rules.

Honestly based on your side of it, it sounds like the guy was a cheater.When you put the template on the mat was it anywhere near Whisper? I mean if you put it close enough to judge where the decloak would take you then I could see it. But if it were a foot away and not really liked up with Whisper, that's not a declaration of intent.Also as you point out he wasn't using legal obstacles and the TO should of gotten involved in the first match and made him correct it.

The template was about 4-5 inches away. It was close to my side of the board. I'm good at visualizing movement so I laid the template down on the mat about 4-5 inches away. I honestly didn't have a problem with him calling me on it because I could see how someone could say it was being used to judge distance. I was just like, okay if we're going to be that picky.... It was a semifinal of a twenty five man tourney. My largest to date.

If you're going to be magnanimous and let them fix errors it should be because that feels right to you and not because there is a chance they'll let you fix something later.

True, but the other person should refuse the offer if they aren't going to return the favor. I don't offer to let people fix something because I expect a quid quo pro. But I do think it speaks at least somewhat poorly of someone to accept help and not offer it in return.

Then again I'm more likely to reject any offers for help then accept them. I figure it was my mistake so I should suffer whatever consequences come of it.