I am not sure if I should have posted this on the Session reports..

There was a local store tournament (2nd ever in our country so there are many new players comming). I was flying Dash and Corran against Whisper, Fel, and 2xAcademy.

My opponent was, apparently, new, because he landed Whisper on a debris cloud in Range 1 of Corran with Dash behind Whisper on the 2nd turn. Eventually, I got the 3 Academies down. One turn, at the start of the combat phase, I remembered, that I did not regen the shield from R2-D2. My opponent allowed me to do this. This saved my Corran, as Fel's attack from behind was brutal. A turn or two the situation was as shown below.

TIE had 1 hull point left, Corran had no shields and I hull, I think. He revealed the dial on the Fighter and it was Bank 3 to the right. It's a direct asteroid hit! When he placed the template, he tried to do bank left. I noted that. He was clearly dissapointed. Remembering that he, pretty much allowed me to keep Corran alive, I allowed him to do the turn he intended. He did, barrel rolled and blocked Corran. Fel was right behind Corran.

This is how I lost Corran. Dash finished the Fighter. And for the next many turns I tried to HLC Fel in turtle mode to death. Did not work - **** autothrusters.

It has been almost a week, and this is still bugging me: Did I act as I should have? It is a competitave game, and it was a tournament, but, perhaps, if I had analysed a bit more, what did he want/could do with such a move, I would not have allowed it. I am pretty sure this costed me the game.

Tournaments are about fun. But going to one without the wish to win, is something not for me.

P.S. my first match was VS Han with C3PO and he kept forgetting to use the C3's ability. I did remind him about that when the match was almost over.

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typos and a note:

I did not ask for the shield regen nor did he ask for a dial change. It was his offer and I did an offer back.

Judging the validity of the choice based on the outcome of the game isn't how I would think about it. Making it retroactively wrong because you didn't win isn't cool. Same for only allowing the move if you think that it won't harm you very much.

Either you're playing the kind of game where you let the other player correct honest mistakes, or you're not (and you also don't ask to regen Corran after you've forgotten).

Personally, I try to hold myself to a higher standard of behavior than I hold my opponents to. I just played in a store championship where my opponent (who ended up 1st in swiss) forgot to regen his double regen list a couple of times, and I allowed the regen to happen (though after the second time, I said "okay, but this is the last one."). I don't recall asking for any missed opportunities that game, and that's how I like it. Would have been nicer to win the game, but poor choices on my part precluded that.

Edit: I should note that both lenient and strict styles are legitimate. No one should expect or demand leniency, and no one should attempt to shame someone who wants to play strictly by the rules.

I always allow newbies to change their direction if it's 100% clear, they intended to fly the other direction.

It's very easy for new players to not turn dial 180 degrees in their mind when flying in their direction.

Local experienced players (me including) always just laugh it off and fly the wrong direction.
Times when we execute red maneuvers under stress is especially memorable.

Thanks for the replies.

First of all, I did not ask to regen the shield. I just noted it and he allowed. Neither did he ask for permission to change the dial and was ready to hit the asteroid.

Perhaps,WickedGrey, you are right about judging based on the loss of match. Thank you. It's just when I remembered Fel had authothrusters, I had problems thinking of moves to get him.

asmeus, I usually turn the dial the way it should be not in my mind.

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Or I am just dissapointed I came 11th out of 13 this time

What you did is normally not done in tournaments but kudos for being a sport. Having a good group to play with important. Just next time offer to show him what he could do better after the game. Never ask to change a mistake that you made during a tournament and always be kind but make others accountable for theirs. Be more open to allowing mistakes to be made during casual play. Always make light of it but say that wouldn't be allowed in a tournament. It allows people to learn and have fun.

if your opponent **** up and asks for mercy, the ball is in your court

there is no right or wrong answer there.

Did you do wrong? Absolutely not. As the opponent it is 100% your perogative to let your opponent fix their mistakes, whether playing casually or competitively. If you want to force him to stick with the maneuver on his dial, you can. If you want to let him do the maneuver he clearly intended to do, that's fine too. Personally I would rather do as you did and show some leniency to my opponent and lose because of than to be a *stickler and win because of it.

*(can be replaced with much more colorful adjectives, if you wish)

Hearing what you saying, i think you acted ok. As you said, he allowed you to regen shield you forgot that saved Corran, then you allowed him to change maneuver that killed Corran. It's even So don't be sad. Especially, you say he tried to bank to left, can be set dial bad. So it's all good.

In my area the players are cool with mistakes in general during casual games, but very particular with this thing called "missed opportunities" in the competitive scene. Besides, letting an opponent make a grave mistake is a good lesson for their future matches. If that same match were played here, you shouldn't have taken the offer to regen a shield and neither should he change his dial. That's like the phantom being suddenly piloted by imperial boba with nonred stay on target and navigator = which is what costed you your game.

From fairness perspective though? you both allowed mistakes to one another so I'd say it's still fair in the end. Just that he's getting the sweeter end of the deal.

In sportsmanship you both did super cool and ok.

In "**** i lost" categories your mistake was way smaller than his (r2 regen that is automatic for every player when possible vs bad maneuver on dial - two different calibers) so in my opinion you were perfectly ok not to allow this maneuver change too.

Both options were fair IMO.

Tournaments are all well and good, but consider this an investment in the group

Would you rather lose sleep over wondering if you could have won, or lose sleep after winning, but wondering if you were a good sport and a fair opponent? Personally, I'd rather err on the side of flying casual, instead of winning and feeling guilty.

It sounds like you guys both cut each other some slack with a few sloppy mistakes, and there's nothing at all wrong with that.

Feel free to pester them a bit, next time you meet for a game. Some good natured ribbing about zigging when zagging, something like that. Big signs next to the board saying Left and Right.

Yes you were a good sport here and that is fine and great. But in a tournament I do not allow take backs in games. People don't learn by letting them do this. It's not being a **** or rude. It's helping people learn and play better.

Only you can decide if what you did is right or wrong however. Nothing we say here matters. It was your game, your decision.

If it is still bugging you after a week, then you may have your answer right there. If you do not ask or accept offered takebacks then you will never feel guilty for not volunteering one yourself. Whether you let a mistake slide afterwards will be a personal choice, but not one that you will feel compelled do follow based on game decisions.

You did right. You allowed for correction of a mistake, which is your choice.

You also did this in the 2nd ever tournament of your country, so despite the loss, you have encouraged the other player as a fair competitor.

Actions like this will only help the game grow.

Interesting, I surprised myself by having to think about this a lot.

I have not played many "competitive" games but I would have expected myself to be saying the only way to be consistent is to always expect yourself and your opponent to do things at the right time or miss the opportunity. (Unlike friendly games where I think fun is the most important element).

However, in the specific situation you describe, where your opponent offered to let you regen and you took up that offer, I think it would be bad sportsmanship indeed not to offer him the same courtesy.

If you had refused his offer and said something like "no I missed my chance and I will live with that" then you would have been free to expect him to live with his mistake as well.

Well, it's not really about right or wrong, but I wanted to hear opinions of other players. Would they have done the same?

I would do that at causal events, or at home. But how strict are people usually at tournaments? When I play with (very) skilled players, I don't allow rollbacks.

I am thankful for all in input. I hope the guy will start joining us on Saturdays

Well, Competitive level tournaments are supposed to held to the highest standard of compliance with the rules. But also, it comes down to sportsmanship and what each individual is willing to allow. It was sporting of him to allow your regen, and it would have been just as sporting of you to say "no no, I made that mistake and that is my fault." Likewise, when you offered to allow a correction he could just as easily have said "no no, I should have been paying attention but I got careless." Though the comparability of the two situations is debatable (there's no real way to know if they actually did the wrong maneuver, or just misjudged it), the bottom line is that you went with the more friendly approach. You may have lost the match, but in the long run you've probably aided the community as a whole and so I think maybe you should not berate yourself anymore.

if your opponent **** up and asks for mercy, the ball is in your court

there is no right or wrong answer there.

There is no rule allowing you to allow your opponent to change their dial. Setting the wrong direction bank is not a missed opportunity and it's not hard to just rotate the dial window relative to the direction of the ship so that you don't screw up.

The OP and his opponent broke the rules.

It's a Store Championship, don't cut people breaks. If they cut you one, stab them in the back.

It's a Store Championship, don't cut people breaks. If they cut you one, stab them in the back.

It's also the second tournament in the country in what is obviously a young, learning, eager and growing community. The best way to kill that is to ruthlessly enforce the rules in order to win. Long term, you gain more by allowing the correction of frag-ups.

Okay. Here's my two cents worth. When you win one of these tourneys what do you actually get? Evèn at worlds? A million dollars? A new house? Really, the most important prize is the prestige of being #1 or #1-#? And that's cool. I have a competitive nature that wants that too but I value the comaraderie more. If it's not fun..... what's the point? I think we all have played matches where we leave with a positive or negative feeling. Here's a couple of my honest examples (all tournament)

: played against a better player. I made a move in the wrong direction. He offered to allow me to correct which I accepted (gratefully). I went on to win. But felt really cheap even if this had no bearing on the game. (Not sure if it did or not but the win was tainted)

: same scenario, another player but he did not offer the correction and went on to win. For me was still a positive experience. You learn more from your defeats and was a fun game and he was a cool competitor.

: another superior player. Did not allow me to put a focus token on as I had 'forgot'. Did not affect the out come of the game (he won) but at the time I was sh*tty because it did not affect the game state. Now I realise, as it was the finals, he respected my ability enough to say 'yeah you stuffed up and I'm going to use that'. Was still a positive experience because he was respectful and friendly during the game.

: was winning against an opponent, turned the wrong way and flew off the board, he went on to win and he felt sh*tty. Isaid "why? Because I flew crap?" Positive experience because of nice comraderie.

: Close exciting match that I end up losing. The guys manner....... Let's just say it was negative experience.

To the OP. I think you have to be happy with your own decisions. I wouldn't hesitate to allow my opponent to re-address something that did not affect game state. Nor would I be unhappy if s/he did not allow the same. The important thing is to realise it is just a game and how you conduct yourself during the contest is more important to the local X-wing community than where you finish.

You did right and all. However:

"Whisper, Fel, and 4xAcademy"

That's a neat 107 point list trick...

For mistakes, you did right. Fly casual and all. I was recently in a streamed store champs and was cursing myself after putting down a dial that a ship didn't shoot. My opponent immediately picked his dial up and insisted I fire the shot. It was 3 damage added to his ship! Later in the match we completely forgot about a crit on one of his ships that reduced his dice by 1. Instead of rolling all the way back to more than a turn ago, We just let it go.

And +1 to all that's been said as well.

Well, it's not really about right or wrong, but I wanted to hear opinions of other players. Would they have done the same?

I would do that at causal events, or at home. But how strict are people usually at tournaments? When I play with (very) skilled players, I don't allow rollbacks.

I am thankful for all in input. I hope the guy will start joining us on Saturdays

During the finals at my last tournament, I confused the intended 3 S-loop that I wanted to do with a 3 bank that I accidentally selected. I had been tired, hungry, with no breaks in 4 games straight because most of them went to time and were incredibly hard fought. Was the temptation to take back an obvious move there? Yes and I could see it in my opponent's eyes that he would have understood if I asked, but I did not.

That mistake was on me and it threw me from a perfect plan to a mistake that cost me the game. I mentally cursed myself for about 15 minutes, then accepted the outcome and I don't feel bad about what I or my opponent did or did not do. More importantly, I (re)learned from the experience. My mind and heart are at peace about the decision that I made, even if it played against me, and that's all that matters

This tournmanet was, probably, the best I had (had 3 total), regardless, of my loss 1-3. First ever tournament was an easy win with 4-0 and 800 MoV. Second was Regionals in Riga,where I ended up somewhere in the middle.

This last tournament was interesting, simply because, for example, my brain was burning, how to get Fel in this game into my arc (still not sure what to do about it). It was a fun tournament, where I finally managed to get outside the range of all but one of 4 TLT's in formation with Dash.

Jonnyd, my bad, right - 2 academy, not 4.