I love x-wings, especially T-65s. They're iconic spaceships amd have iconic pilots. I really want to be flying Luke Skywalker and Wedge in my lists.

While I know they work and have their place, I just feel that they lack the maneuverability and surviverabilty of the new T-70 - essentially, why take a T-65 instead of a T-70?

So I was thinking about a possible upgrade card that could add to the T-65.

T-70 retrofit - modification - 3 points

X-wing only. This ship uses a T-70 x-wing dial.

Possibly add 3 points to gain a shield?

Thoughts?

wait, a t-65 fix thread with no boost-fest wishlisting?
I'm asleep, definitely!

No won't work because it's not the dial holding wedge and Luke back but their inability to reposition once they've moved.

The aces want barrel roll the generics want a discount.

Do we want Wedge pulling Trolls?

It'll improve the Targeting Astromech, I'll tell you that.

If FFG releases another bump for the T-65 I think we can bet it will be more unique than just giving them another ships dial.

You could just have a 1 or 2 point X-wing title that adds a boost action. The T-70 already has boost so it won't help them, just the T-65. This would allow a player to select either IA or AT to add some durability and have some arc dodging capabilities to the T-65. 2 dice evades in a TLT or turret heavy meta just isn't enough.

Luke would be a tank on par with Poe but not be action dependent.

This upgrade seems unlikely to me because I don't think they will pack another dial just for one card.

OP has actually managed to make the T-65 worse. That upgrade just makes the ship a T-70 without boost for the same points.

The real reason generic T-65s don't see play is because they can't run crackshot enmass.

why take a t-65 over the T-70?

because Biggs

honestly, the t-65 is fine relative to the t-70 as the t-70 is somehow even more inefficient overall (only outliers ala Poe are truly competitive)

if FFG hadn't ****** targeting astro and made it a k4 droid, you'd have a super jousting 23 point rookie and a far less efficient 26 point novice (although you'd have an amazing 29 point crackshot TA red veteran)

I've been running wedge with just BB-8 and IA all store championship season.

Got my regionals bye locked in last week.

I think the best "fix" for the T-65 would be somthing like the Tie Advanced fix. Somthing that allows cheaper upgrades, but dosen't change it's playstyle much.

By the time of TFA, the T-70 is obsolete. We need an X-Wing title that will upgrade both our varieties to the T-80.

More seriously: the X-Wing needs a little, tiny, small nudge. Maybe a token on a white manuver or something. Or a barrel roll when stressed. Or 2 extra red dice.

*ducks at last suggestion*

why take a t-65 over the T-70?

because Biggs

honestly, the t-65 is fine relative to the t-70 as the t-70 is somehow even more inefficient overall (only outliers ala Poe are truly competitive)

if FFG hadn't ****** targeting astro and made it a k4 droid, you'd have a super jousting 23 point rookie and a far less efficient 26 point novice (although you'd have an amazing 29 point crackshot TA red veteran)

Curious...I don't mean to be dense but what do you mean? What would you have Targeting Astromech do?

why take a t-65 over the T-70?

because Biggs

honestly, the t-65 is fine relative to the t-70 as the t-70 is somehow even more inefficient overall (only outliers ala Poe are truly competitive)

if FFG hadn't ****** targeting astro and made it a k4 droid, you'd have a super jousting 23 point rookie and a far less efficient 26 point novice (although you'd have an amazing 29 point crackshot TA red veteran)

Curious...I don't mean to be dense but what do you mean? What would you have Targeting Astromech do?

Give out target locks on Green instead of Red.

So every shot you take will end up being TL + Focus.

To me a T-70 retrofit is going to give the T-65 boost and another shield for four points. You still don't get the T-70's improved dial but you get the rest of its improvements at half the cost that adding both as modifications (assuming you could do that) would cost. Maybe that's too expensive for you and 3 points would be nicer but you'd already hear plenty of complaints about an Engine+Shield upgrade for the cost of either one.

Having something that lets you use another ship's dial should never happen. Right not if you get a model you should get the only dial you ever need to use for that model. The Scum may have printed a bunch of extra dials but I see that as wasted space that could have potentially been other pilots and such.

considering a t-70 is 3 points over the t-65 for boost + shield and dial, yeah no

why take a t-65 over the T-70?

because Biggs

honestly, the t-65 is fine relative to the t-70 as the t-70 is somehow even more inefficient overall (only outliers ala Poe are truly competitive)

if FFG hadn't ****** targeting astro and made it a k4 droid, you'd have a super jousting 23 point rookie and a far less efficient 26 point novice (although you'd have an amazing 29 point crackshot TA red veteran)

Curious...I don't mean to be dense but what do you mean? What would you have Targeting Astromech do?

Give out target locks on Green instead of Red.

So every shot you take will end up being TL + Focus.

considering a t-70 is 3 points over the t-65 for boost + shield and dial, yeah no

****, guess I had 4 points on my mind because that is how much both of those upgrades cost as mods. Having the T-70 get BOTH for even less is nuts although how often do you still see the generic T-70s showing up.

considering a t-70 is 3 points over the t-65 for boost + shield and dial, yeah no

****, guess I had 4 points on my mind because that is how much both of those upgrades cost as mods. Having the T-70 get BOTH for even less is nuts although how often do you still see the generic T-70s showing up.

never

because those mods are horrendously overpriced in order to keep from being auto-include (which, imo, was the way to go there)

the T-70 is even more overpriced than the T-65 ito points per stats. Poe breaks the mold due to PS + ability (especially its interaction with thrusters and how well it works with regen)

1 point title, your ship is equipped with every EPT currently in the game.

Take Porkins with PTL, R5-D8, and either IA or Hull Upgrade. Have plenty of debris he can mostly ignore. Okay, he's no Soontir Fel, but he's still mildly beastly on the table.

This upgrade seems unlikely to me because I don't think they will pack another dial just for one card.

Eh, Most Wanted came with 6 dials but only 3 ships. A Rebel Veterans boxed set could very easily be packaged with more dials if that's where the upgrade came from. It's just a couple cardboard circles.

I don't think his fix is valuable as written, but if they really wanted to sell a lot of copies of a Rebel Veterans boxed set, they'd pack it with T-65 upgrade dials, lol.

This upgrade seems unlikely to me because I don't think they will pack another dial just for one card.

Eh, Most Wanted came with 6 dials but only 3 ships. A Rebel Veterans boxed set could very easily be packaged with more dials if that's where the upgrade came from. It's just a couple cardboard circles.

I don't think his fix is valuable as written, but if they really wanted to sell a lot of copies of a Rebel Veterans boxed set, they'd pack it with T-65 upgrade dials, lol.

And three of those dials that came with Most Wanted are completely useless. I'd much rather have had more base tiles.

Didnt Hounds tooth have a Z dial as well?

This upgrade seems unlikely to me because I don't think they will pack another dial just for one card.

Eh, Most Wanted came with 6 dials but only 3 ships. A Rebel Veterans boxed set could very easily be packaged with more dials if that's where the upgrade came from. It's just a couple cardboard circles.

I don't think his fix is valuable as written, but if they really wanted to sell a lot of copies of a Rebel Veterans boxed set, they'd pack it with T-65 upgrade dials, lol.

And three of those dials that came with Most Wanted are completely useless. I'd much rather have had more base tiles.

They weren't useless when the set was originally announced, and most likely, during the planning stages. Besides, gamers can be OCD at times, so they included faction specific dials.