So, if the Battle of Yavin had happened in X-Wing, and Vader got behind Wedge and landed two hits and a crit, while Wedge blanked his evade dice... Which crit do you think it was that forced Wedge to bail from the mission? Direct hit? Wedge knew he couldn't take another shot without dying, so he bailed? Munitions Failure, leaving him with no Proton Torpedo, and thus unable to do any good in the mission? What would you guys say the crit was?
What crit did Vader tag Wedge with?
Shaken Pilot
I thought he took an engine hit. Maybe Damaged Stabilizers or whatever the one where you can't take straight maneuvers is.
I agree. Shaken pilot. He could not perform a straight maneuver next round so he wouldn't be able to stay in the trench. He was clearly WILLING to stay in the trench, but the crit has to make that impossible.
What I have never understood was why he didn't just drop back down into the trench after vader and company passed by. He could have been very useful providing covering fire, or as a back up in case Luke missed.
I agree. Shaken pilot. He could not perform a straight maneuver next round so he wouldn't be able to stay in the trench. He was clearly WILLING to stay in the trench, but the crit has to make that impossible.
What I have never understood was why he didn't just drop back down into the trench after vader and company passed by. He could have been very useful providing covering fire, or as a back up in case Luke missed.
Remember a sound tactical decision is not as important as a good story
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Because then the end of the movie wouldn't have been as dramaticI agree. Shaken pilot. He could not perform a straight maneuver next round so he wouldn't be able to stay in the trench. He was clearly WILLING to stay in the trench, but the crit has to make that impossible.
What I have never understood was why he didn't just drop back down into the trench after vader and company passed by. He could have been very useful providing covering fire, or as a back up in case Luke missed.
Remember a sound tactical decision is not as important as a good story
Exactly, having some top cover for the Trench Run would've ruined Vader's day.
My take on that was the rest of Black Squadron was still around, not just Vader and pals, making it a case of 'get all the way out or don't get out at all'.
Must have been mercy, on account of wedge letting vader survive
I figured his engine was damaged enough that he simply couldn't hold a straight line in the trench at all.
Hence Luke's "Get clear, Wedge, you can't do any more good back there."
Why couldn't he leave the trench then drop back into it?
Probably the same reason they have to fly down the trench in the first place rather than skip to the end.
Wedge says, "I can't stay with you," implying to me that he couldn't go fast enough to keep up with Luke, who, we remember, advocated "going in full throttle."
Damaged Cockpit (treat pilot skill as 0): due to their tight formation in the trench, Wedge can't take the desired maneuver without colliding with Luke. (Counter-indicated by Biggs' similar formation position and lower pilot skill.)
Loose Stabilizer (receive a stress after doing a white maneuver): due to flying full throttle, Wedge can't keep up with Luke's white 4 straight and still perform actions. (Why does he need to do actions?)
Shaken Pilot (cannot be assigned straight maneuvers): Luke is going 4 straight; Wedge has to bug out. (This makes the most sense.)
One possible theory is that Wedge has both Shaken Pilot and Loose Stabilizer, forcing him out of formation and preventing him from catching up in time to help Luke.
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One possible theory is that Wedge has both Shaken Pilot and Loose Stabilizer, forcing him out of formation and preventing him from catching up in time to help Luke.
Certainly shouldn't discount the idea that multiple criticals landed.
I agree. Shaken pilot. He could not perform a straight maneuver next round so he wouldn't be able to stay in the trench. He was clearly WILLING to stay in the trench, but the crit has to make that impossible.
What I have never understood was why he didn't just drop back down into the trench after vader and company passed by. He could have been very useful providing covering fire, or as a back up in case Luke missed.
Being "shaken" is a psychological effect, not a physical limitation of the craft. It means to be shocked or upset. The idea being that the critical hit disrupted the pilot's ability to fly momentarily.
Plus, he says he can't keep up, not that he can't maintain his heading.
And fighter jockeying isn't like the game where everyone just pulls secret maneuvers and you have to guess what your opponent will do. Vader was tailing him, which means he has the ability to react to Wedge's maneuvers. Hence why he said "Let him go". If he slowed down, he'd just have gotten shot again, long before Vader and company passed him.
My take is, if this was being simulated on the tabletop with X-Wing, Vader did "kill" Wedge by rendering his ship combat ineffective. No crits involved, just no hull left and plot armor protection.
Being "shaken" is a psychological effect, not a physical limitation of the craft. It means to be shocked or upset. The idea being that the critical hit disrupted the pilot's ability to fly momentarily.
Gee, could you possibly be more patronizing?
The crits in this game, like the entire game itself, are highly abstract and encompass many factors. What matters is the mechanical effect, and given the circumstances, not being able to do straight maneuvers makes the most sense.
Plus, he says he can't keep up, not that he can't maintain his heading.
Actually, he says "I'm hit, I can't stay with you", with no indication as to why.
He got the
"I'm hit, I can't stay with you"
which reads:
In the next planning phase your opponent chooses your next maneuver. Then flip this card over.
Wedge can't have got Shaken Pilot.
Star Wars a New Hope was using the old Damage Deck.
Being "shaken" is a psychological effect, not a physical limitation of the craft. It means to be shocked or upset. The idea being that the critical hit disrupted the pilot's ability to fly momentarily.
Gee, could you possibly be more patronizing?
Toughen up there, sweetcheeks.
I agree. Shaken pilot. He could not perform a straight maneuver next round so he wouldn't be able to stay in the trench. He was clearly WILLING to stay in the trench, but the crit has to make that impossible.
What I have never understood was why he didn't just drop back down into the trench after vader and company passed by. He could have been very useful providing covering fire, or as a back up in case Luke missed.
Because Vader can K-turn while still flying forward according to Rebels...
Wedge can't have got Shaken Pilot.
Star Wars a New Hope was using the old Damage Deck.
Well played, sir.
You know what this makes me want? I want someone to edit the death star battle and put in dice roll results and pilot health and crit cards on the screen as stuff unfolds.
You know what this makes me want? I want someone to edit the death star battle and put in dice roll results and pilot health and crit cards on the screen as stuff unfolds.
Someone did do that with the falcon's escape from the Death Star.
According to the old Star Wars CCG, Vader's shot wrecked Red 2's micro-manoeuvring controls meaning Wedge couldn't stay in the trench without risking slamming into the walls. Loose Stabiliser roughly fits the bill although I think the card is based on the hit Luke took earlier.
Wedge got his dial mixed up with a Y-Wing's. He tried to go for a 4, then when he flipped it over he saw the Red-4 from the last moves the Y-Wings did and he was already stressed due to PTL and so Vader dialed him a hard-2 out of the trench which would get him out of the way (any other result would have had Wedge on his tail as the Imperials had the Initiative).
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