Shooting a dead ship.

By Edrahil135, in X-Wing

I think I know the answer to this, but I wanted some other opinions.

I was playing a game last night, and had a ps9 whisper and fel on the board. I was shooting against wedge and made the bad call of attacking with fel first (fel had wedge at range 1 and I got excited. Oops.)

Fel killed wedge. Because wedge isn't removed till after all ps9 ships have shot, could I shoot at him with whisper, even though wedge already had 3 hull damage?

I looked through the rules and the faq (quickly) and didn't see anything about it. Did I just miss the info?

Assuming the imperial player had initiative and Wedge was waiting to shoot with simultaneous fire, yes you can continue to shoot him to try give him a crit that may affect his attack (Blinded pilot, weapons failure etc)

While not typically something that is desirable there isn't anything stopping you in the rules, no. The ship isn't destroyed and removed until after it shoots via simultaneous fire rule. Outside of simultaneous fire this situation is impossible anyway so it's likely not an often discussed thing.

Yes, you can. If I have a dead ship with whisper decloaking to finish him off I try to fly off the board to mess up her token stack and force a manual recloak.

While not typically something that is desirable there isn't anything stopping you in the rules, no. The ship isn't destroyed and removed until after it shoots via simultaneous fire rule. Outside of simultaneous fire this situation is impossible anyway so it's likely not an often discussed thing.

There are certainly a few valid edge cases where you'd want to. In the scenario described in the OP for example, if Whisper had no other valid targets and needed to make an attack for Advanced Cloaking Device, or as already mentioned by unfassbarnathan, hoping to force a crit through on someone dangerous to limit their potential return fire. I'm sure there are people here who could come up with others.

I love that these edge case scenarios could happen. i'd never even think that was possible.

While not typically something that is desirable there isn't anything stopping you in the rules, no. The ship isn't destroyed and removed until after it shoots via simultaneous fire rule. Outside of simultaneous fire this situation is impossible anyway so it's likely not an often discussed thing.

And Fel's wrath who doesn't get removed till the end of tge turn

While not typically something that is desirable there isn't anything stopping you in the rules, no. The ship isn't destroyed and removed until after it shoots via simultaneous fire rule. Outside of simultaneous fire this situation is impossible anyway so it's likely not an often discussed thing.

There are certainly a few valid edge cases where you'd want to. In the scenario described in the OP for example, if Whisper had no other valid targets and needed to make an attack for Advanced Cloaking Device, or as already mentioned by unfassbarnathan, hoping to force a crit through on someone dangerous to limit their potential return fire. I'm sure there are people here who could come up with others.

I don't think he was saying (or implying) that there weren't a few valid edge cases. Just that it isn't 'typically' desirable.

The ruling with IG-88A shows that, under simultaneous fire, a ship isn't technically destroyed yet until it has a chance to shoot back. So yes, you can still shoot at a ship that is already destroyed.

While not typically something that is desirable there isn't anything stopping you in the rules, no. The ship isn't destroyed and removed until after it shoots via simultaneous fire rule. Outside of simultaneous fire this situation is impossible anyway so it's likely not an often discussed thing.

And Fel's wrath who doesn't get removed till the end of tge turn

I thought the timing was that Fel's Wrath doesn't get removed from the binder. Am I missing something?

I can see doing this with Keyan Farlander also so he can remove a stress token.

The ruling with IG-88A shows that, under simultaneous fire, a ship isn't technically destroyed yet until it has a chance to shoot back. So yes, you can still shoot at a ship that is already destroyed.

It is like beating an already dead horse


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Edited by NonusLegio

My question is why would you want to shoot at him to begin with if he is already dead?

My question is why would you want to shoot at him to begin with if he is already dead?

ACD triggers after attacking, so I'm sure he wants to cloak up for Wedge's upcoming attack. Also, he could land a crit that reduced his attack or even prevent him from attacking altogether.

My question is why would you want to shoot at him to begin with if he is already dead?

Read the posts above, reasons were listed.

Would Whisper get his focus token if he hits in this scenario?

This is one case where such things matter.

Another is a set of PS5 pilots against a Biggs.

So the interpretation from the forum seems ti be that there is no rule saying I can't.

Thus, I can. (According to the forums)

Interesting.

This is one case where such things matter.

Another is a set of PS5 pilots against a Biggs.