If your opponent does not measure and just declares that his ship is out of range, and then it comes to your time to shoot and it turns out you're actually in range, your opponent has missed an opportunity and you have to consent to allow him to perform his missed trigger.

Attacking is optional though. If they voluntarily decide not to shoot, that's not a missed opportunity, that's a choice. I'd feel no obligation to allow them to shoot at me if they initially declined the opportunity. Should we go back to actions and let him target lock me too? That was a missed opportunity.

I always check range, even when I'm pretty sure I'm out. I have been surprised a few times to find out I can shoot.

I've played in a few tournaments with people relatively new to the game. I usually ask them if they need to take an action or if they're done prior to taking my part of the turn.

In this case, I would have to ask them if they want to measure, just to be sure.

Losing a game with fair play is nothing to be ashamed of, but winning with questionable play is less than satisfying. Better to take the high road and do the right thing, rather than to look back and wonder whether you should have.

In the attack case, I would probably say "I'm going to measure when it's my turn" and if the opponent still doesn't measure, it's on them. As for reminding them of their options, I'm still new enough that I have a hard time remembering all of my upgrades.

But I agree with many of you here: in a tournament, probably no reminders (and I wouldn't expect any)--in casual play, I would give people reminders.

as for boosting, you can check your own boosts, right?

No, you have to declare it and do it if you can. Sure, you can change your action if it doesn't work, but you can't just check and then make your mind up. I've made that mistake a few times...

I think your shooting example is a VERY interesting one.

By the way of the rules, your opponent technically "passed" on his turn to shoot. Ships don't have to shoot every round. Just because he did it because he thought he was "out of range" without measuring doesn't deny the fact that he passed his turn to shoot. Now that your lower PS ship gets to shoot, you are within the rights of the rules to shoot him yourself. In some situations, where, say, multiple other ships have shot since then and/or other decisions have been made based on that shot, I would NOT let him take the shot.

However, if those are the only 2 ships left on the board, and you are shooting and he "said he isn't", then I would insist that he gets to shoot first, if only because it hasn't affected any other game play or targeting priority situations, etc, and that would be a silly way to win, haha.

I like to have "clean" wins.

If someone makes a decision that does not end well...that is why these games are exciting, risk.

If someone make a procedural mistake or misinterp, and I see it, I have corrected.

I used to play WM/H a ton before I had kids. In round 2 of a tourney, I stopped my opponent.and discussed the reason why he was handing the game to me due to scenario objectives he did not understand. He got it and changed up. I still won that game and eneded up winning the tourney and the unseating a long-standing store champ.

Had I not done that, it would have not been as sweet a victory.

I always use that as my bemchmark.

I would prefer to rewind several steps if necessary and reasonable in order to make sure that the game doesn't hinge on a simple procedural error. I will happily take advantage of a piloting error that lands you on an asteroid, but I'm not going to be a stickler if you forget to take a focus action or use Advanced Cloaking Device.

In casual play, I tend to be helpful with things like boosts, checking for range and arcs, and looking for alternate targets if my opponent doesn't realize so-and-so is also in range.

In tournament play, I'm a little less generous, but I tend to be pretty forgiving unless my opponent is a stickler, in which case I'll meet their level of rigorous play without complaint. Some players like a stricter game and I respect that.

This is how I roll. I hate winning on technicalities and it IS just a game. Lets enjoy the match, even in tournament play, and both walk away with some good stories.

Oh no...you can't say THAT! the hard core tournament players will blast you a new one.

While I agree 100% that winning on a technicality isn't nearly as rewarding as beating your opponent at his best. There's also the other side of the coin. Keeping calm under pressure and maintaining focus over the course of a tournament is just another skill. Why cut any more slack to somebody who's bad at this than to somebody who's bad at judging ranges and keeps bumping into asteroids?

I haven't yet had the pleasure of attending a tournament, but in all of my casual games, when it comes time to shoot, my buddy and I always measure range and agree upon the result. We are very forgiving with things like decloaking and forgetting actions, and this is how I like to play the game. It should not be decided by a cloaked whisper not taking a shot on a stressed corran taking a green 2 forward to regen shields all because it slipped mind to decloak

Then again, this has led to the perpetuation of bad habits.

In a casual game I like to allow my opponent to use their abilities, to openly discuss the best possible target, to work together to learn the game in a fuller way and leave the game feeling like both involved had a good time. I would hate to feel I strung my opponent along the whole game and won because they didn't know a new list.

I played casually on Vassal, had a close game, but my opponent won and seemed very proud about it. I argeed, it was a close game and I felt I had tried my hardest but just couldn't win. Then my opponent reminded me I had Punishing One on my Jumpmaster, I forgot the whole game and he knew, but never told me. It really soured me.

You have no moral requirement to help the other guy. Doing so may or may not be a good thing to do, depending on the situation.

In the case of the ships being in rage or not. I'd likely recommend that the other person checks first, in fact I check almost every time even if I know it's clearly in range. On the cases I don't I ask the other guy "range 1" and if he agrees that what we go with. Although in those cases that's the range for both ships.

But if I were to tell him he should check and he doesn't bothe, and doesn't shoot, that's on him. That's also not a matter of winning on a technicality, that's winning because you were able to capitalize on the other guy's mistake.

I personally think it's good sportsmanship to mention if you think the other guy is wrong. But not doing so is not poor sportsmanship, because there is a place between the two.

Then again, this has led to the perpetuation of bad habits.

Which is why myself and many others are against such a thing. Fly Casual is all good and fine, but it should never be an excuse for sloppy play.

As long as you're only playing with your friend that's cool, do what you want. But if you go to a tournament or something you'll find you have issues because of it.

If you are REAAAAALLLY going to not give your opponent a hint that measuring might be a good idea, you need to make sure it is clear that they are foregoing their attack opportunity before moving on, or a player could honestly believe that you are stating that those ships are out of range of each other. So, if they say "No shot there. Out of range.", then just assure they understand they are forfeiting that shot by asking something like "So you're choosing to make no attack with Wedge?" or the like.

Even if they look at you like you're an idiot, they will quickly understand why you asked them that when you measure and ships are in range. They will still think you're a jerk of course, but there wont be any doubt that they passed up their opportunity to shoot without you making any indication as to if the ships were in or out of range. In the end, still not worth it. But if being a jerk is the price you're willing to pay to get a slight advantage in a game where grown men move around plastic spaceship figurines, so be it.

Let's look at this another way. Let's say I'm the Wedge player, and I make a determination that I would lose out on the engagement if we traded shots, and it would be in my best interest for me to give up my shot in exchange for not getting a shot back. So since the range 3 is kind of close I decide to try and trick my opponent and say that it's out of range, hoping that he will agree and also not fire. I figure if he measures anyways I can try and pull some BS and get a shot anyways.

But my ruse fails and my opponent checks anyways. I try to pull BS and insist that if I couldn't shoot he can't because he (implied) that he agreed with me.

Even if you clearly agreed with him, he still missed an opportunity.

If your opponent does not measure and just declares that his ship is out of range, and then it comes to your time to shoot and it turns out you're actually in range, your opponent has missed an opportunity and you have to consent to allow him to perform his missed trigger.

Attacking is optional though. If they voluntarily decide not to shoot, that's not a missed opportunity, that's a choice. I'd feel no obligation to allow them to shoot at me if they initially declined the opportunity. Should we go back to actions and let him target lock me too? That was a missed opportunity.

Performing actions is also optional, so if someone misses an action they've made a choice and it's not a missed opportunity.

It doesn't matter either way. I've made the conscious choice not to fire or not to take actions before or not to cloak for free with ACD. I've also legitimately forgotten to do things that it would obviously be in my best interest to do. Either way it's not my opponent's responsibility to allow me to perform (intentionally) missed triggers.

Completely new player here and it is a bit disappointing to see there are a few people saying that they'd keep quiet on this one. I'm about to take part in my first tournament next week and thus far the only other person I've played is my brother, so I'm fully expecting to make mistakes myself, but would hope that someone else would see this as ultimately a bit of fun and would at least prompt me to check things. I know I'll be the first to pipe up if someone forgets to do a really obvious action or doesn't pick up enough dice. I'd much rather lose and feel I'd played as courteously as possible than win because the pressure of a tournament setting made someone forget something obvious.

That's obviously going to work against me at times, but this is an X-Wing tournament, not the World Series of Poker.

Ahhhh. The old questions of right and wrong, should and must, and what, exactly, is your responsibility as an opponent.

First of all, this is not war or a gladiator death match. Nobody is going home in a body bag. If your life is, literally, on the line, you do what you have to do to make it out alive. Lie, cheat, steal, whatever it takes.

I come at this from the perspective of someone who has coached competitive youth sports (mainly baseball and basketball) for over a decade. The game is bigger and more important than any of the individual players. This means that the correct call is the most important thing. I have called my own players out when they were out and have seen other coaches do the same. Having the correct call made is the most important thing. That being said, take the extra 5 seconds to check the range, arc, whatever. If someone wants to Boost and does not think they can, encourage them to take the 5 seconds to make sure. If you know that they forgot to use Gunner or something like that, remind them. Be a gentleman or lady. Respect the game and your opponent. Being competitive and being a jerk are not the same thing. I ALWAYS want to win. However, I try to be fair and win "the right way".

That being said, you are under no obligation to do so. Ultimately, it is up to your opponent to utilize Actions, Upgrade Cards, etc... But ask yourself "are you part of the problem or part of the solution?" Be the better you. Don't be the jerk who yells at a 10-year old kid from the batters box to the dugout for swinging at the first pitch. I have, unfortunately, seen that more than once.

Letter of the Law: You aren't obligated to do anything other than play your side.

Spirit of the Law: Fly casual and be cool.

X-Wing has an awesome community because they play to win, but do it by the spirit of the law.

Completely new player here and it is a bit disappointing to see there are a few people saying that they'd keep quiet on this one. I'm about to take part in my first tournament next week and thus far the only other person I've played is my brother, so I'm fully expecting to make mistakes myself, but would hope that someone else would see this as ultimately a bit of fun and would at least prompt me to check things. I know I'll be the first to pipe up if someone forgets to do a really obvious action or doesn't pick up enough dice. I'd much rather lose and feel I'd played as courteously as possible than win because the pressure of a tournament setting made someone forget something obvious.

That's obviously going to work against me at times, but this is an X-Wing tournament, not the World Series of Poker.

Exactly, $5 3 round Friday night FLGS tournament X-Wing is something I care about more than the World Series of Poker.

Ultimately, it is up to your opponent to utilize Actions, Upgrade Cards, etc... But ask yourself "are you part of the problem or part of the solution?"

You don't have to be part of either really.

I'm under no obligation even that of good sportsmanship to point out mistakes or missed opportunities, if you say that I am, then that means it's my responsibility to fly the other guys list, and at that point it's no longer a competition and I might as well be playing solo.

This whole 'it's not the world series or a gladiator match' is quite frankly nothing but a strawman.

No one is claiming it is, we can however be interested in a fair competition and expecting me to give the other guy pointers and suggestions does not make for a fair competition.

Ultimately, it is up to your opponent to utilize Actions, Upgrade Cards, etc... But ask yourself "are you part of the problem or part of the solution?"

You don't have to be part of either really.

I'm under no obligation even that of good sportsmanship to point out mistakes or missed opportunities, if you say that I am, then that means it's my responsibility to fly the other guys list, and at that point it's no longer a competition and I might as well be playing solo.

This whole 'it's not the world series or a gladiator match' is quite frankly nothing but a strawman.

No one is claiming it is, we can however be interested in a fair competition and expecting me to give the other guy pointers and suggestions does not make for a fair competition.

You, obviously, don't know what being a good sport is. Flying into a rock is a mistake, just as forgetting to take a Focus Action is. However, one has a simple remedy. Do you really want to be the "I won because he forgot to take his free Cloak Action" guy? I don't.

Do you open doors for people pushing strollers? Carrying large objects? You are under no obligation to do so. Are you being part of the problem or part of the solution?

You, obviously, don't know what being a good sport is.

So you come out swinging with personal attacks I see. Nice. Apparently you are the one and only authority on what is or isn't sportsmanship, and we all must bow down to your subjective and personal opinion on what it is and isn't.

Which clearly puts you in the realm of the militant casual that is as bad as any WAAC out there. Edit: Actually it's worse because at least the WAAC is honest about it.

Do you really want to be the "I won because he forgot to take his free Cloak Action" guy?

That all depends on, if this is the 3rd or 5th time he's forgot to recloak then yeah I'm not going to feel bad about not reminding him.

Do you open doors for people pushing strollers? Carrying large objects?

Yes I do, but that has nothing to do with this. We're not talking about either situation we're talking about a competitive game.

Are you being part of the problem or part of the solution?

Based on your post, it's clear which you are.

Completely new player here and it is a bit disappointing to see there are a few people saying that they'd keep quiet on this one. I'm about to take part in my first tournament next week and thus far the only other person I've played is my brother, so I'm fully expecting to make mistakes myself, but would hope that someone else would see this as ultimately a bit of fun and would at least prompt me to check things. I know I'll be the first to pipe up if someone forgets to do a really obvious action or doesn't pick up enough dice. I'd much rather lose and feel I'd played as courteously as possible than win because the pressure of a tournament setting made someone forget something obvious.

That's obviously going to work against me at times, but this is an X-Wing tournament, not the World Series of Poker.

Unfortunately, it is inevitable that, at some point, you will run into a player that will not remind you of anything if you play the game long enough. But I would say a healthy majority of the community will help you out, especially as you are a new player to the tournament scene.

Make sure to inform your opponent you are a newer player and that you would appreciate any reminders if you forget/overlook something, and you will do the best to do the same for them. If something feels fishy about what they are telling you, and they seem like they could be the type that takes advantage of your newness to the game, double check their cards when they call out an ability, and don't be afraid to call over a TO if something really doesn't sound right to you. If they are trying to pull a fast one on you and you catch it, you can mark them as one of "those" players, and simply avoid them from then on as best as possible.

I know I'll be the first to pipe up if someone forgets to do a really obvious action or doesn't pick up enough dice.

Well, number of dice is a rules thing. It's not optional. I'll point out range bonuses and such all the time. But if they have Poe Dameron and decide to target lock, I'm not going to say, "Hey, you sure you don't want to focus to use his ability?" It's my job to be a courteous, respectful and challenging opponent. It's not my job to make sure you fly your list optimally.

EDIT: This is with regards to competitive tournament play, not casual games. I've practically walked relatively new players through casual games, making sure they knew their options, pointing out strategies, suggesting targets, etc.

But I would say a healthy majority of the community will help you out, especially as you are a new player to the tournament scene.

In all my tournaments I've played one person who wasn't at least semi-helpful. But that guy did nothing but complain about how X-Wing was a pure dice game and if it was based on skill he'd be at the top table.

Other than that everyone I've played has been friendly and willing to let some small things slide. But that doesn't mean you should expect them to fly your list for you, or keep reminding you of the same thing over and over.

If someone forgets to cloak once I'll remind them, even if it means adding the cloak after the fact. But after the 4th or 5th time... I'm not going to bother any longer.

EDIT: This is with regards to competitive tournament play, not casual games.

The problem with these kinds of discussions often is that people seem to think we all play the same way no matter what. That we play the same way at regionals that we would when teaching someone new how to play.

Dear VanorDM,

Let's re-examine what you said.

Ultimately, it is up to your opponent to utilize Actions, Upgrade Cards, etc... But ask yourself "are you part of the problem or part of the solution?"

You don't have to be part of either really.

I'm under no obligation even that of good sportsmanship to point out mistakes or missed opportunities, if you say that I am, then that means it's my responsibility to fly the other guys list, and at that point it's no longer a competition and I might as well be playing solo.

This whole 'it's not the world series or a gladiator match' is quite frankly nothing but a strawman.

No one is claiming it is, we can however be interested in a fair competition and expecting me to give the other guy pointers and suggestions does not make for a fair competition.

First of all you state that a person does not have to be part of either the problem or solution. I imply that you believe being passive and allowing things to happen is not a choice. It is. By letting things happen that you know to be wrong is a choice.

Then you state that you are "under not obligation even that of good sportsmanship to point out mistakes or missed opportunities,...". So, you state that even though it would be good sportsmanship to point these things out, you are not required to. This is acknowledging that it is good sportsmanship to point these things out, therefore, it is poor sportsmanship to not do so.

There is a big difference between a gladiator death match and the World Series. I am going to do anything and everything I can to win the death match but still play by the rules in the World Series.

Giving pointers and suggestions is different than correcting mistakes. Discussing dial options and what Action to take is different than reminding someone to take an Action.

I'm not going to beat this dead horse any more. If you agree, great. If not, have fun storming the castle.