It helped riha in this game....so I called it obstructed
Hehehe...not that he needed help thrashing me in my inaugural vassal game
Question about obstruction- probably very stupid.
The problem with the ship actually covering the entire obstacle is that the ship is likely to rotate as the legs of the base are not on the table and is being supported by the guides for the stand. We actually put an ISD directly over the top of one of the smaller obstacles and spun it around (slowly, no one wanted to break the ship)
The problem with the ship actually covering the entire obstacle is that the ship is likely to rotate as the legs of the base are not on the table and is being supported by the guides for the stand. We actually put an ISD directly over the top of one of the smaller obstacles and spun it around (slowly, no one wanted to break the ship)
That's a separate but equally important issue to address - why does the Base extend all the way down when it can have enough room to accommodate their tokens with ease? I'm tempted to sand mine down. The legs would still be an issue, but like Belegon noted, the Spinning wouldn't be an issue.
I don't believe it would be necessary to lift the ship to determine if the asteroid is in los. Simply remove the ship from peg, remove the base card and check the location of the obstacle through the clear base. This may not be perfect but it should resolve the vast majority of questionable locations of asteroids under ships. Good question though.
I don't believe it would be necessary to lift the ship to determine if the asteroid is in los. Simply remove the ship from peg, remove the base card and check the location of the obstacle through the clear base. This may not be perfect but it should resolve the vast majority of questionable locations of asteroids under ships. Good question though.
I'm not doing that. YOU CANT MAKE ME.
=P
I'm kind of alright with either outcome, but just to put all of this in a little context, here are the current 3 steps to checking FOR an attack, and the 9 steps to make an attack.
And this is only ship to ship, and only one part of the game, doesn't include maneuvering, commands, bumping and all the other rather complicated rules in this game.
1) Measure Arc, Attack range and LoS
2) Gather Attack Pool
a. increases in battery
b. if obstructed (los to los), remove 1 die
3) Roll Attack Pool
4) Modify Attack Pool - attacker rerolls, add, modify, change, spend
5) Spend Accuraciesa. (you may not spend accuracies after this step)
b. (yes you do remove the accuracy die when it is spent)
6) Defender spends Defense tokens
a. defender rerolls, evade spent and resolved here, then defender chooses to spend other defense tokens
b. defender uses any special defensive tech, ex. Admonition.
c. at this point, the attacker cannot modify their dice.
7) Attacker chooses critical effecta. contain spent here, resolve special critical effects here
8) Total damage - brace resolves here
9) Deal damage - Redirect/scatter resolves herea. Standard crit effect/contain resolves here if no special crit chosen: First damage card is face up.
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Measuring Step :
- Hull zones are only the cardboard within the two lines
- Squadrons are measured for range and LOS from the closest point on the squadron cardboard.
1. Arc: Is the target hull zone within the attacker arc (and at a distance where you can gather dice)
2. LOS: Does the line from yellow dot to yellow dot not cross a defender's hull line? (crossing an attacker hull line is ok).
a. Obstruction: true or false - does that line go through an obstacle or another ship? (don't remove 2 dice for 2rocks/ships)
b. Shield teeth and, i think, shield dials count for obstructing (need double check)
3. Range: measure from closest point of hull zones to each other. (if this line crosses another defending hull zone, you do not have LOS)
Let me know if I got anything wrong.
We now add step 2.1 to LOS check - lift the ships up to see if there are any rocks under the LOS.
btw, can I have someone check step 6c? (unsure).
Edited by Blail Blerg
6c isn't 6c, 6c is outside of step 4, by virtue of the fact that its not step 4.
AKA, you can
only
modify dice in the
modify dice
step, and no-where else, unless there is a
specific
exception provided somewhere on a card... Which
does
overwrite normal rules.
Yellow dot, to yellow dot, that is the key here.
Do you trace LoS from the cardboard or plastic only? No.
So it's obstructed.
Hell, it's even obstructed if both ships are parked next to one another on top of the obstacle.
Eh. . . . Tricky question. . . So, there is the L shaped debris which could be under the center of the ship and not be where the dot is.
I go by a simple form for situations like this. Does the approximate location cross where the dot would be if it was on the table? (I.e: is the obstacle under the dot) I also side towards the defender in these toss up situations because it can happen to both players in the same turn.
I don't believe it would be necessary to lift the ship to determine if the asteroid is in los. Simply remove the ship from peg, remove the base card and check the location of the obstacle through the clear base. This may not be perfect but it should resolve the vast majority of questionable locations of asteroids under ships. Good question though.
I'm not doing that. YOU CANT MAKE ME.
=P
So what you're saying is, I get to decide every time?
so did someone email?
I had this very thing happen in one of my games at the 2015 Worlds.
We called the judges over, this shot is NOT obstructed. (I'm my case, the obstacle was even closer to the yellow dot area underneath the cardboard and thus impossible to tell if the rock was really clear of the dot or not).
Go with the rule on this, looking straight down on it, the LOS line is not on the rock. Yes the rock is underneath the base, but a laser line beaming straight down from above would not land on the rock, it lands on the base first.
Man, I'm just glad this isn't so cut and dry- feel a little less stupid now
I e-mailed, but haven't gotten a response.
I emailed as well, but didn't get anything back yet either.
Current turnaround time for emails to be sent seems to be between 1-2 months.
I have 2 December requests still waiting, and 1 January. Although one Early December one was recently answered (as multiple people had asked)
Man, I'm just glad this isn't so cut and dry- feel a little less stupid now
No, was a good question, and defiiately I could see right from the start, that there was no definitive answer...
I was clutching at related rules to try to find an answer, and that's usually a good tip-off towards "Clarify, Please."