2 minutes ago, Democratus said:Not sure I follow.
Winning is the goal for many people every time they play a game. I know at least one player in our local meta who is now going to bring Rieekan Aces to every casual game meet.
eventually he will learn that isn't always the fun way to spend your time, in the meantime you can build your lists for it
I mean, I understand the spirit of what you are saying, @SirDave , the game is still enormously fun in a casual environment. I completely agree, I personally can't wait to get another CC game going locally.
The discussion is about the competitive scene though, and you basically made the point many people that I agree with are making. People bring Rieeken Aces because it's the best all around answer. That's not a good thing for a competitive scene though, you want your competitive scene to have many different answers, especially in the hands of a skilled player.
FFG aren't scrubs though. They'll be looking at this and introducing changes in the future to combat it. I guarantee it.
7 minutes ago, OgRib said:eventually he will learn that isn't always the fun way to spend your time, in the meantime you can build your lists for it
And you will figure out how to counter it and what it can't do. If people just avoid engagement and shoot long range they will get bored.
What funny is the list that won worlds for 2017 is almost the same list that lost at finals at the 2016 worlds game
3 hours ago, mobow213 said:What funny is the list that won worlds for 2017 is almost the same list that lost at finals at the 2016 worlds game
That's incorrect. Last year he didn't have the CC aces which he did bring this year. Bit of a difference.
10 minutes ago, ripper998 said:That's incorrect. Last year he didn't have the CC aces which he did bring this year. Bit of a difference.
Not a huge one, though.
23 minutes ago, Caldias said:Not a huge one, though.
More than tripling the available model pool to use Reeikan's ability with squadron isn't a 'huge' difference? Because, ya know, it kind of seems that way... especially because before CC, a full Unique Squadron list would have been a bit schizophrenic. With the current pool, it can be more heavily focused.
1 hour ago, Caldias said:Not a huge one, though.
Biggs is not a big one? Ten is not a big one? Relay is not big? What else was used that was not then?
17 minutes ago, Lyraeus said:Biggs is not a big one? Ten is not a big one? Relay is not big? What else was used that was not then?
I guess other Aces? You tell me.
I'm not saying he wasn't boosted. but he was already just straight good well before this,
Still wasn't picked so many times because he saved only the ships, Luke and Wedge usually. Not saying he's OP now though.
11 minutes ago, Caldias said:I'm not saying he wasn't boosted. but he was already just straight good well before this,
Exactly. He was already one of the best all-purpose Rebel Admirals before CC, and the addition of 12 more Aces for him to choose from (versus 9, it only doubled the number), with Relay to keep his ships safe until they need to swing the finishing blow, has put him over the top. It's a bunch of different elements all gradually accreting into a kidney stone of pain - unlike, say, Demolisher , which potentially existed from Wave 2 on.
That's why the other thread is bogged down in arguments - is it Reeikan that's broken? Is it squadrons? Is it flotillas? Is it Yavaris? - because it's a combination of all of those items.
56 minutes ago, Caldias said:I'm not saying he wasn't boosted. but he was already just straight good well before this,
Yup. Even before wave 5 and CC. I play Brickhaus a few times. And it is a tough fleet to crack when flown by someone as skilled as him.
Rieeken Aces seems to be an almost perfect counter to the Y-wing spam. It also happens to be the prefect counter to just about everything else as well.
On 2017-5-5 at 5:29 PM, WuFame said:Why can't people talk about the issues they see, and discuss possible solutions and how those would affect the meta, without people telling them to calm down. The forums are meant for Armada discussion and we're discussing Armada. Yeah, it gets old hearing whining, but the threads related to this issue are filled with optimism that FFG will resolve the issue, not doom and gloom.
I should say that I read more "ffg should nerf this" and "op here, op there" than, "wow! Those fleets are great, what could work against them".
Despite some post missed quickly into the panic stream, I didn't see a debate spirit for a while. It looks more like "I say this. Who agree?".
I enjoy many @Ginkapo 's post as I see a clever way to provoke people to think new ways. Many guys will stop on the provocation for sure. Writing style is a choice, you don't have to like gink's one and he should live with people don't enjoying it. I enjoy your really calmed and polited posts too. I really really enjoy how some active members developed their own voices and Gink, for me, sounds like a relentless Jiminy Cricket and I like that. But I won't try to convince people to like what they don't.
What I am pretty sure about is that if there is not debate or discussion about what some people call main problems is not cause Gink. It is because no one (or not many) want to discuss it. Maybe is just because the main arguments were in fact already discussed long time ago and there were not enough to convince anyone to change ther positions.
Aaaawwhhh He gets me.
9 hours ago, Caldias said:I'm not saying he wasn't boosted. but he was already just straight good well before this,
What CC brought Ace Holes was further synergies and defensive abilities that were missing in the world's before.
And the next wave will change it all again
YOU GET NECROMANCY!!
So without reading 14 pages of posts, did ClonTrooper5 turn out to be invincible or not?
29 minutes ago, old_school_overlord said:So without reading 14 pages of posts, did ClonTrooper5 turn out to be invincible or not?
I don't know about invincible but his necromancy powers are impressive.
46 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:I don't know about invincible but his necromancy powers are impressive.
Well he hasn't been beaten in 2 years.
2 hours ago, old_school_overlord said:So without reading 14 pages of posts, did ClonTrooper5 turn out to be invincible or not?
@clontroper5 , I have some very bad news for you...
2 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:@clontroper5 , I have some very bad news for you...
What's that?
On 5/6/2017 at 10:23 PM, Caldias said:I guess other Aces? You tell me.
Norra F-ing Wexley. Now those B-Wings roll an uncancellable shield hit whenever Yavaris makes them attack six times and they land that crit that Toryn/BCC help them get.