So, I usually run VI Vader, Fel and Juke+Comm Omega Leader as my standard 3 ship build but after seeing my friend run Echo, and remembering how much I love phantoms, I was thinking of changing things around and wanted opinions.

Soontir Fel — TIE Interceptor 27

Push the Limit 3

Targeting Computer 2

Autothrusters 2

Royal Guard TIE 0

Ship Total: 34

"Echo" — TIE Phantom 30

Veteran Instincts 1

Fire-Control System 2

Advanced Cloaking Device 4

Ship Total: 37

"Omega Leader" — TIE/fo Fighter 21

Juke 2

Comm Relay 3

Ship Total: 26

Is what I have going on now. It's got a three point bid so I can determine initiative(most of the time atleast). I can also change out Fel for VI Vader and not care about initiative so is have 2 more points to spend. I also had a similar list but with whisper instead and was wondering if it'd be better with whisper and if so maybe VI Vader with that ship instead? That way instead of wanting Fel to move last but Whisper to shoot first I can just have the PS 11 Vader and worry about Whisper shooting first though an initiative bid would be hard to find there. Thanks all!

What you have here is 2 ships that conflict with each other for initiative bidding....

Phantoms NEED initiative too shoot first so they can activate ACD and not get shot at with only 2 green dice

Soontir wants to NOT have initiative so he can move second and arc dodge and maximize his sneaky shoot in the back tactics

My suggestion would be to NOT run these 2 together or they will conflict..... I wold run Vader with either of them as Vader is much less Initiative bid reliant...

What you have here is 2 ships that conflict with each other for initiative bidding....

Phantoms NEED initiative too shoot first so they can activate ACD and not get shot at with only 2 green dice

Soontir wants to NOT have initiative so he can move second and arc dodge and maximize his sneaky shoot in the back tactics

My suggestion would be to NOT run these 2 together or they will conflict..... I wold run Vader with either of them as Vader is much less Initiative bid reliant...

On the other hand, you can use your full 100 points and not care about initiative - either way you benefit somehow.

What you have here is 2 ships that conflict with each other for initiative bidding....

Phantoms NEED initiative too shoot first so they can activate ACD and not get shot at with only 2 green dice

Soontir wants to NOT have initiative so he can move second and arc dodge and maximize his sneaky shoot in the back tactics

My suggestion would be to NOT run these 2 together or they will conflict..... I wold run Vader with either of them as Vader is much less Initiative bid reliant...

Not really relevant in this case since Soontir is PS9 and VI Echo PS8. So unless your opponent also happens to run both a PS9 and 8 pilot, you can adapt depending on the match-up.

That's why I was running echo with Fel and debating running VI Vader with Whisper on my second list and was just wondering what people were thinking. The only thing with Vader whisper OL is no initiative bid because it comes in at 100.

I think its alright, although a crew for Echo would be nice (costs you the initiative bid though).

Its probably not as 'competitive' as your original list, but would be fun to fly.

Going with Whisper and VI Vader probably has less 'bad matchups' but some people feel Vader is weaker than Fel (I don't).