I think Vader is there as a toolbox choice, to push that one more point of damage through on a vital moment - man, I could have ended a recent game against Corran if I'd've had him in there instead of Isard. I'm not even sure how much damage Isard really saved me from anyway.

Palpatine is... he's a crutch. He really is. Yes, he's good, but he's not the only good thing we have, and he's the good thing that everyone EXPECTS us to bring.

I love using Palpatine on the Decimator but I really want to try new things. The hot shot co-pilot + Gunner seems mean. Vader being there for vital moments really makes sense I have to think too.

I do wonder how useful hot shot + Gunner is on large ships though, party bus and Dengar etc will rarely dodge enough damage for Gunner to trigger. Guess you need to cover all bases though!

I think I'd like to see how Kylo Ren does in place of Vader though. I guess he'll be more effective against large based ships, and I'm not sure that's the right route to take. Though you can effectively shut down Dengars revenge shot with the correct crit...

Vader would be a "win more" card in this build, I think. I am using Rebel Captive in his place at the moment and that fairly good, though it could be even better if there is Kylo Ren instead.

Vader wins you games against aces, but Rebel Captive helps in those cases as well. Moreover he helps in match ups against other lists as well, while Vader might not be the best there. And Kylo will be useful in most of the possible match ups I hope

Wave X stuff but that was freaking awesome list to play:

RAC + VI, Kylo, Palpi, EI, Dauntless

Vader + EU, Pred, ATC

All those blinded pilots and ps0 going around

Ooooh, experimental interface to focus/target lock and then Kylo? Nasty! Not sure I can live without an engine upgrade on RAC though.

My "kylo" Choose.

My question was....Lone Wolf or Push the limits in Vader??

My "kylo" Choose.

Kylo and Vader Party (97)

Rear Admiral Chiraneau — VT-49 Decimator 46 Adaptability 0 Kylo Ren 3 Emperor Palpatine 8 Engine Upgrade 4 Ship Total: 61 Darth Vader — TIE Advanced 29 Lone Wolf 2 Advanced Targeting Computer 1 Engine Upgrade 4 TIE/x1 0 Ship Total: 36

My question was....Lone Wolf or Push the limits in Vader??

Lone Wolf all the way. PTL is terrible on Vader

Predator is a good choice too...

Predator is a good choice too...

Particularly since with ATC he can't get the benefit of a TL reroll...

Ooooh, experimental interface to focus/target lock and then Kylo? Nasty! Not sure I can live without an engine upgrade on RAC though.

Yea you can cause you have 2x blinded pilots to "arcdodge" :D

Predator is a good choice too...

Particularly since with ATC he can't get the benefit of a TL reroll...

Predator/Lone Wolf gives pretty similar effects on Vader - pred lets you keep the eye for defence if you need one, LW lets you boost your defence a bit.

VI is overkill in my opinion.

PtL on Vader is some kind of not funny joke.

Hah! Good point on the blinded pilot crit XD. Still, it's useful to help avoid swarms and suits my playstyle with the rear Admiral more!

Ooooh, experimental interface to focus/target lock and then Kylo? Nasty! Not sure I can live without an engine upgrade on RAC though.

Yea you can cause you have 2x blinded pilots to "arcdodge" :D

Predator is a good choice too...

Particularly since with ATC he can't get the benefit of a TL reroll...

Predator/Lone Wolf gives pretty similar effects on Vader - pred lets you keep the eye for defence if you need one, LW lets you boost your defence a bit.

VI is overkill in my opinion.

PtL on Vader is some kind of not funny joke.

Blinded pilot is arcdodging against one ship per round (against swarm it won't help that much as EU.

How Predator allows you to save an eye for defense? If you reroll to focus you get no bonus. LW helps you to use the token "better":

Initial roll:

2 blank reds, 1 reroll from LW or 1 reroll with predator (2 if low PS target) - Predator is slightly better here.

1 blank 1 eye - 1 reroll from LW, the same with predator (or 2 if low PS target). Predator seems still slightly better, but loses this if you reroll eye to any other result as you either have no hits, hit, or hit but used an eye. If you reroll the blank you may maximize effect of focus, get 1 hit and be happy or get a hit and change an eye to hit (if seems to be needed) or you can reroll to blank and still decide whether you wish to use focus token or not.

2 eyes - slightly better predator, because you may gamble to get a hit instead and not to spend a token.

1 hit 1 eye - the same effect - you may decide to use the token OR take a chance with Predator to have 50/50 of scoring a hit. You may as well still need to spend the token or miss at all.

Additionally, LW gives you a reroll of a blank green die every time you are attacked, which makes it better in my opinion. Predator seems like less reliable for me and more gambling if you decide to re-roll eyes.

Though, it is more difficult in flying because you need to keep range 2 from your other ships (not that difficult in 2 ship list).

Alright, got an event coming up and I'm thinking of flying a 2 ship list with a big decimator. Only problem is I'm hung up on who to fly as a wingman. Here's the Deci:

Chiraneau (60)

-Veteran Instincts

-Engine Upgrade

-Gunner

-Hotshot Copilot

So for wingman I'm considering 3 options, but am open to suggestions for others.

Either:

A Phantom - classic and still strong. Hotshot copilot would be helpful keeping a phantom around longer.

Soontir Fel - he needs no introduction, an added bonus would be the abillity to put vader on the deci for pulling out damage when it really matters.

The Inquisitor - if I bring inky then I can bring the anti-defender tool of a homing missile, the inky also brings anti-autothruster tech and I could still add vader here.

Any thoughts? Thanks in advanced.

Ooooh, experimental interface to focus/target lock and then Kylo? Nasty! Not sure I can live without an engine upgrade on RAC though.

Yea you can cause you have 2x blinded pilots to "arcdodge" :D

Predator is a good choice too...

Particularly since with ATC he can't get the benefit of a TL reroll...

Predator/Lone Wolf gives pretty similar effects on Vader - pred lets you keep the eye for defence if you need one, LW lets you boost your defence a bit.

VI is overkill in my opinion.

PtL on Vader is some kind of not funny joke.

Blinded pilot is arcdodging against one ship per round (against swarm it won't help that much as EU.

How Predator allows you to save an eye for defense? If you reroll to focus you get no bonus. LW helps you to use the token "better":

Initial roll:

2 blank reds, 1 reroll from LW or 1 reroll with predator (2 if low PS target) - Predator is slightly better here.

1 blank 1 eye - 1 reroll from LW, the same with predator (or 2 if low PS target). Predator seems still slightly better, but loses this if you reroll eye to any other result as you either have no hits, hit, or hit but used an eye. If you reroll the blank you may maximize effect of focus, get 1 hit and be happy or get a hit and change an eye to hit (if seems to be needed) or you can reroll to blank and still decide whether you wish to use focus token or not.

2 eyes - slightly better predator, because you may gamble to get a hit instead and not to spend a token.

1 hit 1 eye - the same effect - you may decide to use the token OR take a chance with Predator to have 50/50 of scoring a hit. You may as well still need to spend the token or miss at all.

Additionally, LW gives you a reroll of a blank green die every time you are attacked, which makes it better in my opinion. Predator seems like less reliable for me and more gambling if you decide to re-roll eyes.

Though, it is more difficult in flying because you need to keep range 2 from your other ships (not that difficult in 2 ship list).

You just answered yourself in every of your situations you say yourself that predator is slightly better

And thats exacly what i meant if you wanna save eye for defence : sligtly

Ooooh, experimental interface to focus/target lock and then Kylo? Nasty! Not sure I can live without an engine upgrade on RAC though.

Yea you can cause you have 2x blinded pilots to "arcdodge" :D

Predator is a good choice too...

Particularly since with ATC he can't get the benefit of a TL reroll...

Predator/Lone Wolf gives pretty similar effects on Vader - pred lets you keep the eye for defence if you need one, LW lets you boost your defence a bit.

VI is overkill in my opinion.

PtL on Vader is some kind of not funny joke.

Blinded pilot is arcdodging against one ship per round (against swarm it won't help that much as EU.

How Predator allows you to save an eye for defense? If you reroll to focus you get no bonus. LW helps you to use the token "better":

Initial roll:

2 blank reds, 1 reroll from LW or 1 reroll with predator (2 if low PS target) - Predator is slightly better here.

1 blank 1 eye - 1 reroll from LW, the same with predator (or 2 if low PS target). Predator seems still slightly better, but loses this if you reroll eye to any other result as you either have no hits, hit, or hit but used an eye. If you reroll the blank you may maximize effect of focus, get 1 hit and be happy or get a hit and change an eye to hit (if seems to be needed) or you can reroll to blank and still decide whether you wish to use focus token or not.

2 eyes - slightly better predator, because you may gamble to get a hit instead and not to spend a token.

1 hit 1 eye - the same effect - you may decide to use the token OR take a chance with Predator to have 50/50 of scoring a hit. You may as well still need to spend the token or miss at all.

Additionally, LW gives you a reroll of a blank green die every time you are attacked, which makes it better in my opinion. Predator seems like less reliable for me and more gambling if you decide to re-roll eyes.

Though, it is more difficult in flying because you need to keep range 2 from your other ships (not that difficult in 2 ship list).

You just answered yourself in every of your situations you say yourself that predator is slightly better

And thats exacly what i meant if you wanna save eye for defence : sligtly

But he is "slightly" better in offense, with no boost to your defense - this makes him way better.. And keeping focus for defense works better with LW than with Predator because you do not gamble for natural hits.

Alright, got an event coming up and I'm thinking of flying a 2 ship list with a big decimator. Only problem is I'm hung up on who to fly as a wingman. Here's the Deci:

Chiraneau (60)

-Veteran Instincts

-Engine Upgrade

-Gunner

-Hotshot Copilot

So for wingman I'm considering 3 options, but am open to suggestions for others.

Either:

A Phantom - classic and still strong. Hotshot copilot would be helpful keeping a phantom around longer.

Soontir Fel - he needs no introduction, an added bonus would be the abillity to put vader on the deci for pulling out damage when it really matters.

The Inquisitor - if I bring inky then I can bring the anti-defender tool of a homing missile, the inky also brings anti-autothruster tech and I could still add vader here.

Any thoughts? Thanks in advanced.

Was hoping the Upsilon shuttle would be here/legal before my regional in February but it's not looking hugely likely. I have been running the below list with great success recently, but worry if opponents focus the Decimator too much before it's defensive capabilities kick in.

Any suggestions for tweaks would be appreciated. I normally run Ryad with PTL and MK2 engines but have found the lone Wolf build to be really effective if the Decimator ever goes down. I also have played a lot of people who chase Ryad to try and get her off the board before the Decimator; and the 4 Dice, lone Wolf and Palp mod make her super survivable.

The charges and APL on the Decimator are there as anti Defender tech, I used to struggle when they got behind me but I can drop the charges and force bumps for damage and its been pretty effective.

VT-49 Decimator: · Commander Kenkirk (44)

Predator (3)

Seismic Charges (2)

Anti Pursuit Laser (2)

· Emperor Palpatine (8)

· Ysanne Isard (4)

TIE Defender: · Countess Ryad (34)

· Lone Wolf (2)

Stealth Device (3)

TIE/x7 (-2)

-- TOTAL ------- 100/100p. --⁣

Any double decimator in the regionals?

1 hour ago, nogarder said:

Any double decimator in the regionals?

The Evergreen Squadron guys were talking about that on their latest podcast. I think one of the hosts ran it.

Have they commented any list in the podcast?
I do not have time to listen them. Thanks

I'm looking to diversify my Kenkirk build a bit. I used to run it with Predator and APL and a bomb maybe, but I just found I wasn't getting much use out of predator. I think I'd prefer to just target lock enemy ships. I'm thinking of trying the below, to help it possibly last longer, and it comes with the added bonus of nullifying any Kylo Ren s.

With the points left I thought a Plasma missile would really help to lay into those high health large base ships early, it has the potential to strip 5 Shields; and a Connor net for anything that decides to chase the Decimator. Ryad is a standard PTL build, though I could find points change her to lone Wolf/stealth device. If I could find ways to make the Decimator more consistently survivable I'd take it in a heartbeat,but there's not much else. Jerjerrod I suppose, but there's no space for him.

VT-49 Decimator: · Commander Kenkirk (44)
Determination (1)
Plasma Torpedoes (3)
Conner Net (4)
Guidance Chips (0)
· Emperor Palpatine (8)
· Ysanne Isard (4)

TIE Defender: · Countess Ryad (34)
Push The Limit (3)
Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1)
TIE/x7 (-2)
-- TOTAL ------- 100p. --

I've been running Kenkirk with Expertise, Palp, Isard, and EU. It's fast, tanky, and expertise is an amazing card on a ship with no red maneuvers. With Ryad as you show.

Expertise looks brilliant. I suppose my only concern is the amount of Asajj lists I can expect to see at upcoming tournaments. Though having said that, she'll shut down Ysanne too, so is it worth worrying about one particular archetype? I could certainly drop the torpedoes to fit it in. The tanky Decimator is a thing of beauty but against certain lists it can die quickly.

What do you normally run with it?

First option;

Points (95)

Commander Kenkirk (58) - VT-49 Decimator
Emperor Palpatine (8), Emperor Palpatine (8), Ysanne Isard (4), Anti-Pursuit Lasers (2)

Countess Ryad (37) - TIE Defender
Lone Wolf (2), TIE/x7 (-2), Stealth Device (3)

5left; for Decimator; expertise or Lone wolf and 3pt additional weapon or predator and 2point something

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Points (100)

Commander Kenkirk (63) - VT-49 Decimator
Determination (1), Seismic Charges (2), Emperor Palpatine (8), Emperor Palpatine (8), Ysanne Isard (4), Extra Munitions (2), Anti-Pursuit Lasers (2)

Countess Ryad (37) - TIE Defender
Lone Wolf (2), TIE/x7 (-2), Stealth Device (3)

determination gives chance to survive longer but i think we need be focused on great dmg.... but for me THIS is great build.

Beauty (100)

Commander Kenkirk (63) - VT-49 Decimator
Predator (3), Emperor Palpatine (8), Emperor Palpatine (8), Ysanne Isard (4), Engine Upgrade (4)

Countess Ryad (37) - TIE Defender
Lone Wolf (2), TIE/x7 (-2), Stealth Device (3)

the one thing i am still thinking is change predator for Lone wolf to reroll green dice when kenkirk/Range3 gives one dice. We need to Have that 1 evede from dice. EU helps to fly away from assaj stress arc or another arc we just Have more option. I will try THIS list tomorrow. What do Yo think?

Think they're all very strong, though I have gotten very little utility out of EU on Kenkirk due to his lowish pilot skill