Ok. The match hoes to time, the YV-666 had been destroyed, the pup is still on the table, but so is Xizor. Does my opponent get half the MOV of the YV or all of it?

Explained in the FAQ. If the NP ends being the only ship left, its owner scores 1 point and the opponent destroyed 99. Its a 101 to 99 win. It does say its a full win which I never thought made sense.

Ok. The match hoes to time, the YV-666 had been destroyed, the pup is still on the table, but so is Xizor. Does my opponent get half the MOV of the YV or all of it?

The thing Darth Emphatic is talking about only applies when the Pup is the only ship left period, not just on your side. If that happens, then you get a full win, because you destroyed all your opponent's ships.

Nope. Both the pup and Xizor were mine. He had Soontir left.

Nope. Both the pup and Xizor were mine. He had Soontir left.

Your opponent scored all the points from the Hound's Tooth, including the six points for the title that let you deploy the Pup.

Which means a modified win. 37 point Xizor vs 35 point Soontir.

Thanks!

Explained in the FAQ. If the NP ends being the only ship left, its owner scores 1 point and the opponent destroyed 99. Its a 101 to 99 win. It does say its a full win which I never thought made sense.

Every game that ends with all of one side's ships destroyed is a full win. Modified wins only occur if time runs out.

Explained in the FAQ. If the NP ends being the only ship left, its owner scores 1 point and the opponent destroyed 99. Its a 101 to 99 win. It does say its a full win which I never thought made sense.

Every game that ends with all of one side's ships destroyed is a full win. Modified wins only occur if time runs out.

But the Nashtah Pup Pilot FAQ entry contradicts this. It specifically says if all other ships have been destroyed, and it specifically calls it a modified win.

I think it's dumb, but specific trumps general...

If the only ship remaining in a match is the Nashtah Pup Pilot, the player who controls that ship wins.

If this scenario arises during a tournament match, the Nashtah Pup Pilot is treated as though it is worth 1 point.

For example, in a standard 100 point dogfight match, the player who controls the Nashtah Pup Pilot earns a modified win and has a margin of victory of 101 and his opponent scores 91

Explained in the FAQ. If the NP ends being the only ship left, its owner scores 1 point and the opponent destroyed 99. Its a 101 to 99 win. It does say its a full win which I never thought made sense.

Every game that ends with all of one side's ships destroyed is a full win. Modified wins only occur if time runs out.

But the Nashtah Pup Pilot FAQ entry contradicts this. It specifically says if all other ships have been destroyed, and it specifically calls it a modified win.

I think it's dumb, but specific trumps general...

If the only ship remaining in a match is the Nashtah Pup Pilot, the player who controls that ship wins.

If this scenario arises during a tournament match, the Nashtah Pup Pilot is treated as though it is worth 1 point.

For example, in a standard 100 point dogfight match, the player who controls the Nashtah Pup Pilot earns a modified win and has a margin of victory of 101 and his opponent scores 99

I had thought it was funny that you could score a full win (5 points) and end up with a 100/100 MoV split with the Pup being the only ship remaining. Changing the "Pup as the last ship standing" to 1 point gets rid of the even MoV but then you were left with a 101/99 game that still resulted in a full win. Treating it as a modified Win is far more consistent with the rest of the rules especially when you consider the Pup isn't really worth anything after it's deployed.

Explained in the FAQ. If the NP ends being the only ship left, its owner scores 1 point and the opponent destroyed 99. Its a 101 to 99 win. It does say its a full win which I never thought made sense.

Every game that ends with all of one side's ships destroyed is a full win. Modified wins only occur if time runs out.

But the Nashtah Pup Pilot FAQ entry contradicts this. It specifically says if all other ships have been destroyed, and it specifically calls it a modified win.

I think it's dumb, but specific trumps general...

If the only ship remaining in a match is the Nashtah Pup Pilot, the player who controls that ship wins.

If this scenario arises during a tournament match, the Nashtah Pup Pilot is treated as though it is worth 1 point.

For example, in a standard 100 point dogfight match, the player who controls the Nashtah Pup Pilot earns a modified win and has a margin of victory of 101 and his opponent scores 99

I had thought it was funny that you could score a full win (5 points) and end up with a 100/100 MoV split with the Pup being the only ship remaining. Changing the "Pup as the last ship standing" to 1 point gets rid of the even MoV but then you were left with a 101/99 game that still resulted in a full win. Treating it as a modified Win is far more consistent with the rest of the rules especially when you consider the Pup isn't really worth anything after it's deployed.

I missed that bit about it forcing the match to be a modified win instead of the full win that it should be. That's actually less consistent with the rest of the rules than having it end up a full win. There is no other instance of a game that ends because of ships being destroyed being anything less than a full win, score doesn't usually matter.

I missed that bit about it forcing the match to be a modified win instead of the full win that it should be. That's actually less consistent with the rest of the rules than having it end up a full win. There is no other instance of a game that ends because of ships being destroyed being anything less than a full win, score doesn't usually matter.

Except that you have that odd little situation where BOTH starting fleets actually have been destroyed. Sure the Pup is still around but in a lot of ways it is just like a mine token laying in the field except that it has a controller and can act.

To me the actual result should be a DRAW as both starting squadrons are destroyed. The Pup just complicates things but once released it killing it doesn't score someone anymore points nor does its survival prevent the opponent from counting the full price of the ship that launched it as being destroyed.

If your choice was between counting the game as a Draw or a Modified Win I hope you'd take the modified win.

I missed that bit about it forcing the match to be a modified win instead of the full win that it should be. That's actually less consistent with the rest of the rules than having it end up a full win. There is no other instance of a game that ends because of ships being destroyed being anything less than a full win, score doesn't usually matter.

Except that you have that odd little situation where BOTH starting fleets actually have been destroyed. Sure the Pup is still around but in a lot of ways it is just like a mine token laying in the field except that it has a controller and can act.

To me the actual result should be a DRAW as both starting squadrons are destroyed. The Pup just complicates things but once released it killing it doesn't score someone anymore points nor does its survival prevent the opponent from counting the full price of the ship that launched it as being destroyed.

If your choice was between counting the game as a Draw or a Modified Win I hope you'd take the modified win.

Except the rules don't differentiate between "starting" ships and any other type of ship.

"At the end of a game round, all of one player’s ships are destroyed. The player with at least one ship remaining immediately earns a win, and the opposing player receives a loss. If neither player has any remaining ships, the game ends in a draw."

I still don't understand why FFG felt the need to make up special rules to cover this situation when the existing rules cover it. Full win with 100 MoV to each players works just fine without adding additional complexity to the rules. I don't really see much difference between winning with The Pup and winning with a ship that has regenerated more than it's total health in a match.

Ok. The match goes to time, the YV-666 had been destroyed, the pup is still on the table, but so is Xizor. Does my opponent get half the MOV of the YV or all of it?

I'm assuming Xizor is your opponent's ship. Your opponent scores the full points for the Hound's Tooth.The thing Darth Emphatic is talking about only applies when the Pup is the only ship left period, not just on your side. If that happens, then you get a full win, because you destroyed all your opponent's ships.

Thanks, man. Missed the details. Reading the full post probably would have helped.

Explained in the FAQ. If the NP ends being the only ship left, its owner scores 1 point and the opponent destroyed 99. Its a 101 to 99 win. It does say its a full win which I never thought made sense.

Every game that ends with all of one side's ships destroyed is a full win. Modified wins only occur if time runs out.

Except that not all ships are destroyed, technically. That's why I think it is funny.

I think although the Hound's Tooth and Nashtah Pup are an interesting mechanic for the game, they really did open a wee can of worms when it comes to tournament play. There has been so many questions about these two ships, it's just amazing.

IMO Nashtah Pup should be worth 6 points (cost of Title) when it is out on the table and should cause a full win when it is the last man standing. The 6 points you save from using the title over just playing a Binary Pilot is easily negated by the fact that you don't get to use it straight away. More red at the start of the game is ALWAYS better.