Dave Allen said:

Hi,

Are you the same Dave Allen mentioned in the "developed by..." section for WFRP V3? If so then that makes your comment about not agreeing with him on the V3 comments hold a lot more water.

I don't agree with his comments either, but I have no insider knowledge on how accurate they are (or not). It's merely based on my gut instinct and a fair degree of common sense!

If you are the same Dave Allen, then can I add congratulations on what I think from what I have seen so far is a WELL developed RPG.

Loswaith said:

That's not necessarily true. You don't have to be a fully fledge stoner just because you enjoy smoking tobacco. Although I have to say that if you're a true connoisseur then you shouldn't smoke from a pipe. Mainly because the pipe material will interfere with the flavour of the tobacco itself way too much. And since cigarettes are just mass produced ****, there's only one real way for the connoisseur to go and that is with cigars.

Varnias Tybalt said:

For real? Wow.

Do you suppose that some pipe smokers deliberately choose certain kinds of wood for their pipes because they like it's effect on the tobacco flavor?

Oops- on topic: um... I've said all that I can already.

I think the pundit is way off base with RT, since as far as I can tell it is selling as well as DH did. I wouldn't be surprised if the pre-orders for WFRP are a bit low. The Core Set is expensive. I expect a lot of people are waiting for the pre-launch event. I know both of my time slots are already booked full, and I'm thinking of making a 5th PC to let a stand-by play each session. Personally, I myself haven't pre-ordered yet. I'm going to order through my FLGS, and there is a pre-order sheet coming with the kit. So ... low pre-orders don't necessarily mean anything (if it's even true).

I don't know the ins and outs of FFG, so I don't know any details about stormy departures and any collapse of playtesting.

I highly doubt FFG is calling stores and pleading with them to participate in the pre-lauch event.

The economy *is* a factor, as is the fact that they just launched RT a month prior. A lot of people interested in WFRP are also interested in RT. Buying both so close together can also be a strain on the pocketbook of us poor gamers.

Suffice it to say, this fellow is either the recipient of some really bad info, or has deliberately written some false information.

Of course, I'm disappointed that superklaus once again posts a link to something negative about WFRP 3e, that has absolutely no factual basis, and is entirely misleading. If only he would devote his efforts to doing good, instead of for evil.

dvang said:

Uh oh. THAT'S not going to go well over here...

The article posted on the "RPG pundit" has no bearing on reality in any form, factor, or detail. In fact, other than the spelling, there is nothing accurate in this fabricated post whatsoever.

FFG is always willing to listen to critique, everyone is free to dislike our products or form opinions on our product even on our own message boards, but outright lies and slander against our staff is not acceptable in our eyes (as well as illegal in most of the Western world).

I am 100% certain, however, as to the rumors that, yes indeed, Mr. Pundit's pants are on fire.

cP
FFG

Ha ha: I'm eagerly anticipating some good old fashioned backpedaling. Delicious.

If only I had some popcorn.

Wow, uh, not much more I can say other than I thought his rant was so ridiculous that it had to be a pure parody.

And if people doubt if Rogue Trader is popular, they should check on a very popular Torrent site* to see just how many people have d/l'ed RT in the last week.

Around 12k .

I'd seriously doubt an unpopular RPG would be so widely pirated. You can usually tell how great a game is by how far it spreads.

(As for WHFR, he's being retarded there. I know he doesn't know any inside people at FFG. I know that I barely know any people in FFG and I hear only good things, so there)

* NOT ADVOCATING ILLEGAL TORRENTS - I JUST TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE AMOUNT OF PIRACY ON THE NET DUE TO MY JOB *

pumpkin said:

That's very nice of you, ta.

So RPGPundit's about as believable as an Olberman rant?

keltheos said:

Or Glenn Beck. Or Rush Limbaugh.

Disinfortainment - it always gets a lot of people reading/listening.

McClaud said:

Sure does. It's what enviromentalist nuts have been doing for years now. (pun very much intended for any enviromentalist reading )

While I'm not backing the Pundit there do seem to be some possible chinks in the plan.

The biggest problem for FFG with WFRP 3.0 is that the existing fanbase, if you can use the internet as any sort of guideline, is split at best about 3.0 and those people have flat out said they have no desire to buy the new version.

So already they are losing a percentagen of their existing fanbase with the move to 3.0. That's fine, they say. They'll make up for that loss and more by picking up new customers, the logic being this new board game component based system will apply to a much wider audience. Kudo's for that idea.

The problem though seems to be that this much wider board game loving (but not alwo WFRP 2 loving) audience doesn't know of the existence of Warhammer Fantasy Role Play. So they are brokering on an audience of people that perhaps care less about RPG's to $100 on an RPG that they likely have never heard of before.

I'll even go further into the local retail space that I have access to. In every Hobby store that I've ever been in they usually have table top mini-games in one section, board games in another section and RPG's in another. The mini-game people go into their area, the board game crowd lingers in theirs and the RPG crowd heads to theirs. No obviously some people browse every where. But for WFRP 3.0 to get into the hands of this new wave of players it'll have to be stocked along with the board games or those people won't even see it.

There is one other crowd they hope to swallow the 3.0 pill with is Fantasy Flight Games fans, that surf their site and are of course not WFRP 2.0 fans.

They seem to be hinging on a lot for this game to get a new foot hold into the RPG market place. Lets also forget that previously Warhammer Fantasy, Dark Heresy and their books also retailed in books stores like Chapters & Barnes and Nobles. This new version likely isn't going to show up there so they are losing another set of potential customers.

Kryyst said:

This is the norm for any new edition of a game.

Kryyst said:

They will also be aiming this product at the same target that most new-edition RPGs do - other RPG players. FFGs ability to market their goods to their boardgamer customers is simply added gravy. It's not RPG players or boardgamers, it's both. However IMO the majority of v3 customers will be the normal RPG market, in particular fans of the Warhammer world who have come into the hobby in recent years.

Kryyst said:

Funny, 'cause every hobby store I've been in has been tiny, with the RPG section being about 2 inches away from the boardgame section.

WFRP v3 isn't a boardgame. The only people who are going to be interested in this are gamers and warhammer fans, both groups who will be subjected to advertisements for this product. I seriously doubt FFG are expecting a vast horde of boardgamers to pick up a hobby they haven't been interested in before just because it has cards in it. They certainly won't be depending on their support.

macd21 said:

The problem is that most RPG players refers to D&D Players and statistically most D&D players just purchase D&D. So they aren't your target audience either, which is by definition the normal RPG market. That leaves FFG relying primarily on left overs to make up the balance.

WFRP v3 isn't a boardgame. The only people who are going to be interested in this are gamers and warhammer fans, both groups who will be subjected to advertisements for this product. I seriously doubt FFG are expecting a vast horde of boardgamers to pick up a hobby they haven't been interested in before just because it has cards in it. They certainly won't be depending on their support.

Which goes back to my original point. Their target for WFRP 3.0 is their existing fanbase, which based on internet hoopla has a large portion that is against the game.

Necrozius said:

I certainly did. My clay pipe for heather/tobacco mixes, one cheap briar for cheap stuff (captain black gold), and a different, high quality briar for the fruitier stuff, and a corncob for rolling tobaccos.

As important, however, is not using dissimilar flavored tobaccos in the same pipe. Heather and Honey will be nasty in a pipe normally used for a sweet lattakia, and vice versa.

As for Pundit... he's into "inflamatory"... and he's good at it. And he's got a bit of a following. Most of whom won't hesitate to call him when he's out in left field...

macd21 said:

I don't know... The fact that it looks so different from what RPGs have been looking like for the past two decades may draw the attention of some folk who would otherwise not give much thought to roleplaying games, being put off by what they perceive as huge tomes full of rules. It may prove a worthy risk to FFG to advertise to a wider audience.

dvang said:

Dont you understand the term "rumor"? My post was neutral and I didnt comment it like some others. To be clear I dont even like this rpg pundit. I think he is an arrogant xxx. But nonetheless I think its an interesting read and there is a chance that its true. If you think otherwise, you dont have to read my posts. And regarding spreading evil: its not clear who spreads the real "evil" here. The brainless fanboy who cries even "hurrah" if FFGs vomits some strange green stuff or the critic.

Dude... settle down. He was joking.

NezziR said:

joking? ok then sorry for my response. Sometimes I dont understand a joke in english because its not my native tongue.

It's not his either. There's some wiggle room there

Though I must say, for not being your native languages, you both speak very effective English.

dvang said:

This is getting really insane...

To define EVIL as someone who criticize 3:edition???? Or is it enough to quote someone who does?

Sounds sensible.... (sarkasm)

Gnutten said:

ObiWan: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."

later on...

ObiWan: "Anakin: Senator Palpatine is EVIL!"

WhinyAnakin: "From MY point of view, the JEDI are evil!"

ObiWanTheHypocrite: "Then you are lost! LOL!"

We need a Chosen One on these forums to bring back balance to the Force.

Necrozius said:

I have absolutely no problem seeing Palpatine as a WFRP 2:ed player...

And WhinyAnakin is definitely a 3:ed guy... especially in Episode one =) alongside with Jar-Jar.

Don’t think we really have to fuel the 2:ed ws 3:ed debate with the concepts of good and evil, we got enough heat as it is.

I’m rather proud of being Chaotic Evil though... MUAHAHAHAHAAAAAArrrgh (*couch* *cough*)

Necrozius said:

Or a better script writer...