Aren't We Due a New Wave?

By dpb1298, in Star Wars: Imperial Assault

Um... Luke's father fought in the Clone Wars, but was betrayed and murdered by Vader. Obi-Wan helped Leia's 'father' in the Clone Wars. Luke is only 19 in ANH, so right from the start the Clone Wars were one generation ago. No chance the Clone Wars were really long ago.

Ignoring the prequel films, Luke's father was a "gifted Pilot" when Obi Wan met him first during the Clone Wars. I don't think anything is ever said about about specifically when Darth Vader allegedly betrayed Anakin (ok, it had to happen sometime after Luke's conception), or that it happened during the Clone Wars, just that he was betrayed. We don't know the age of Leia's adopted father, so a young Obi Wan might have helped him 30 or 40 odd years ago. There is nothing saying that Luke was born during the Clone Wars, just that he heard about them when growing up. Also, before the prequels I don't think we got any specific indication of how old Luke and Leia are. I could easily see them aged a few years older without any problem (though to be fair I don't see them as being any older than about 24, Luke especially).

Wait, wait, wait...

ANH... the two references to the clone wars are that Luke's father and Leia's father were involved. Regardless of who those fathers are, the clone wars happened one generation ago.

TESB... Vader is Luke's father, so Vader fought in the Clone Wars, they happened before Luke's birth. Still one generation ago.

ROTJ... Vader is Leia's father, so her father fought in the Clone Wars and her adoptive father was involved in them in some way. Still one generation ago.

The Clone Wars could never have happened "a long time" before ANH. Whether Luke was 19 or 29, the war still occurred one generation previous, and barring a strange situation in which Vader fathered the twins at the age of 60, the wars would always have been placed between 20 and 40 years prior to ANH. Where's the confusion?

Ok, if you meant literally "the previous generation were involved" in the Clone Wars, I do not disagree. However, in my experience one generation is often used to mean roughly 20 years, so I had understood it as meaning that only 20 odd years might have passed. The timeline used by the d6 Star Wars RPG presumed a gap of about 40 years (I personally decided on a slightly shorter gap for my own game, as the timeline was a little stretched, though I decided the War was about 10 years long, and Jedi were a lot rarer even back then in order to make the whole "forgotten religion" thing make more sense).

Um... Luke's father fought in the Clone Wars, but was betrayed and murdered by Vader. Obi-Wan helped Leia's 'father' in the Clone Wars. Luke is only 19 in ANH, so right from the start the Clone Wars were one generation ago. No chance the Clone Wars were really long ago.

First, we must remember that Vader was never intended to be Luke's father. Second we must remember that Leia was really never meant to be Luke's sister. So, how does the scenes on Tatooine transpire.

Leia hologram "General Kenobi. Years ago, you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."

Now even taking into account that Bail, later named, was Leia's adoptive father, she only says "years ago" not generations ago. Now what does Obi Wan say to Luke. First, he dismisses what Owen has told Luke, which was that his father served as a navigator on a spice freighter. Obi Wan elucidates that his uncle didn't hold with "his father's" ideals and felt he should stay here (Tatooine) and not have gotten involved. This implies that Anakin, we'll call him, though he goes unnamed until Jedi, was from Tatooine, or at least lived here with his brother. There is, to me, no other way to interpret that. Then he tells Luke a little bit about their meeting, which must have been years later:

Obi Wan: "He was the best star-pilot in the galaxy, and a cunning warrior. I understand you've become quite a good pilot yourself. And he was a good friend. Which reminds me..."

Now i don't want to belabor all this. Let's move foward to the key moment. Luke asks, how did my father die?
Obi Wan: "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the Jedi are all but extinct. Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force."
So when Vader does this; and let me add Obi Wan says to him on the Death Star "Only a master of evil, Darth" the film established the Darth was his first name. It wasn't meant to be a title, but that, like many things, was changed. Anyway Luke must have been either conceived or born at this time, and it is obvious from ANH that Obi Wan was in fact protecting and watching over him. In any case there is no indication the Clone Wars were that long ago.
For the Greedo and Han shoot out. Lucas pulled the same thing that Spielberg did with the shotguns into 2-way radios. Han shooting first was character establishing. It makes his redemption more satisfying. I don't care what Lucas says, he's a proven liar when it comes to Star Wars lore. It was clearly not his original intention, but he revisited in a sense of guilt, which was unnecessary.

I never said I hated TFA or Rebels. But I do stand by my position that TCW is greater than Rebels and TCW shouldn't have been cancelled prematurely in favor if developing a new show, and that the EU is greater than the likes of the atrocity that was Aftermath.

I wouldn't say it was cancelled prematurely. It told all the stories it could tell. It only lasted about 2 and a half years and there were nearly six seasons of episodes.

I really hope for more consistancy in canon under Disney supervision.

First, the Clone Wars cartoon was canon. Then there was the Clone Wars animated series and the cartoon was removed from canon. Anakin having a Padawan? The Ones? Mortis? A lot of rubbish there.

First, "Han shot first." I never understood that Phrase, because "Only Han shot." would be correct. Then Greedo shot first. Then the both shot at the same time.

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Under Lucas supervision, canon was inconstant and inconsistant. I don't think that Disney will do similar rubbish.

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I never said I hated TFA or Rebels. But I do stand by my position that TCW is greater than Rebels and TCW shouldn't have been cancelled prematurely in favor if developing a new show, and that the EU is greater than the likes of the atrocity that was Aftermath.

I wouldn't say it was cancelled prematurely. It told all the stories it could tell. It only lasted about 2 and a half years and there were nearly six seasons of episodes.

TCW was cancelled, not ended. It was only planned to run through 8 seasons, with season 8 taking place before, during, and slightly after RotS. The voice acting was almost finished completely through season 8, and the cgi was well into season 7. Look up Clone Wars Legacy, and check out arcs like "The Bad Batch", that arc took place in season seven. We only got through half of season 6. Also the Dark Disciple novel, consists of 8 episodes, or two 4 episode arcs. The first was planned as part of season six, and the second was part of season seven. In fact, part of the rough episode was shown at Celebration with the Bounty Hunters trying to assassinate Dooku. That scene sadly never made it into the novel. Anyway, look it up. TCW was cancelled, not ended.

I really hope for more consistancy in canon under Disney supervision.

First, the Clone Wars cartoon was canon. Then there was the Clone Wars animated series and the cartoon was removed from canon. Anakin having a Padawan? The Ones? Mortis? A lot of rubbish there.

First, "Han shot first." I never understood that Phrase, because "Only Han shot." would be correct. Then Greedo shot first. Then the both shot at the same time.

...

Under Lucas supervision, canon was inconstant and inconsistant. I don't think that Disney will do similar rubbish.

It started really bad with Ahsoka. It managed to become endearing for a bit, and then Darth Maul came back to life and I abandoned it completely. As much as I knew Filoni did this just to put his finger in the eye of Mando fans, I wasn't even upset with a pacifist Mandalorian government, given how many times they'd been beaten in the past, but Duchess Satine was just too much. She was really and awful character.

I really hope for more consistancy in canon under Disney supervision.

First, the Clone Wars cartoon was canon. Then there was the Clone Wars animated series and the cartoon was removed from canon. Anakin having a Padawan? The Ones? Mortis? A lot of rubbish there.

First, "Han shot first." I never understood that Phrase, because "Only Han shot." would be correct. Then Greedo shot first. Then the both shot at the same time.

...

Under Lucas supervision, canon was inconstant and inconsistant. I don't think that Disney will do similar rubbish.

Disney may handle their "canon" better, but if the stories are rubbish I could care less.

I really hope for more consistancy in canon under Disney supervision.

First, the Clone Wars cartoon was canon. Then there was the Clone Wars animated series and the cartoon was removed from canon. Anakin having a Padawan? The Ones? Mortis? A lot of rubbish there.

First, "Han shot first." I never understood that Phrase, because "Only Han shot." would be correct. Then Greedo shot first. Then the both shot at the same time.

...

Under Lucas supervision, canon was inconstant and inconsistant. I don't think that Disney will do similar rubbish.

It started really bad with Ahsoka. It managed to become endearing for a bit, and then Darth Maul came back to life and I abandoned it completely. As much as I knew Filoni did this just to put his finger in the eye of Mando fans, I wasn't even upset with a pacifist Mandalorian government, given how many times they'd been beaten in the past, but Duchess Satine was just too much. She was really and awful character.

I was originally not keen on Ashoka as well, due to being a padawan AND due to juvenile hipness. However, by the end of her story arc, I felt that her absence in ROTS was well enough explained, and her resolution added to anakins disillusionment. Were there some less entertaining arc So? Sure. But they were TV episodes lasting 20 minutes. And I feel that all of the episodes had SOMETHING for me to like.

There will show some new stuff at GAMA trade in the middel of march.

untill then i don`t think we will see alot of news

Does anyone know why every product on the IA site say unavailable?

Does anyone know why every product on the IA site say unavailable?

Most likely because FFG can't sell it on their web store for some reason, it may have something to do with the fact that Hasbro has the rights to make and Star Wars board games.