Anyway, should we get back on topic.

What a shocking thing to say...

It is likely we will see a small box release at Gen Con and possible a big box announcement at Gen Con.

Someone somewhere pointed out that the new policy that FFG/Asmodee is going to put into place doesn't happen until April. So FFG may be holding off on any announcements until then. That way they can have the pricing for distributors set up and locked in.

Otherwise they may find they have people placing pre-orders based on the old pricing. Dunno if that's true but it's seems reasonable.

If IA follows the Decent model the next thing should be another small box, the size of Twin Shadows.

I wasn't judging anybody. I was making a comical observation about the fandom, that I would never have been enlightened to if I hadn't also known the trek fandom a little and one of them pointed it out to me. When they don't like an installment of their franchise, they all like 'Meh, it's still trek, works, pass the popcorn'. When Wars fans don't like it they be all like 'dohaww,gahhh, it's awful, untrue to the series, doesn't make any sense, blah, bleh,blech'. And honestly I just laugh at all of Star Wars now that I see how bad the OT was. Hakuna matata!

Believe me,I have better things to do than waste the mental energy on passing judgement of others that I do not have to deal with, on topics that are trivial diversions to my busy day to day life. I just keep scrolling and skimming. It's all good.

I wasn't judging anybody. I was making a comical observation about the fandom, that I would never have been enlightened to if I hadn't also known the trek fandom a little and one of them pointed it out to me. When they don't like an installment of their franchise, they all like 'Meh, it's still trek, works, pass the popcorn'. When Wars fans don't like it they be all like 'dohaww,gahhh, it's awful, untrue to the series, doesn't make any sense, blah, bleh,blech'. And honestly I just laugh at all of Star Wars now that I see how bad the OT was. Hakuna matata!

Believe me,I have better things to do than waste the mental energy on passing judgement of others that I do not have to deal with, on topics that are trivial diversions to my busy day to day life. I just keep scrolling and skimming. It's all good.

Really? But there are so many rubbish (and several allright-but-not-very-Star-Treky) Star Trek films!

But they don't tirade about it to anywhere near the extent that a Wars fan will. And more importantly they will still watch it instead of just saying something like it's a kids show, or I didn't like the last one so I'm not watching anymore.

honestly I just laugh at all of Star Wars now that I see how bad the OT was.

I have heard (and made some) pretty tiradesome criticisms of the latest Star Trek films... I think the thing might have been true until the most recent films, where things still at least felt Star Trekky, but the latest two really didn't.

I wasn't judging anybody. I was making a comical observation about the fandom, that I would never have been enlightened to if I hadn't also known the trek fandom a little and one of them pointed it out to me. When they don't like an installment of their franchise, they all like 'Meh, it's still trek, works, pass the popcorn'. When Wars fans don't like it they be all like 'dohaww,gahhh, it's awful, untrue to the series, doesn't make any sense, blah, bleh,blech'. And honestly I just laugh at all of Star Wars now that I see how bad the OT was. Hakuna matata!

Believe me,I have better things to do than waste the mental energy on passing judgement of others that I do not have to deal with, on topics that are trivial diversions to my busy day to day life. I just keep scrolling and skimming. It's all good.

And yet you are here.

Troll.

Now who's judging Your falling for the group think my friend. You will find in time that I am not a troll, but my opinions like everyone else's, do not always coincide with the commonly accepted ones. Or would you rather pigeonhole me into a almost Socratic martyr, or Brave New World main character?

Now who's judging Your falling for the group think my friend. You will find in time that I am not a troll, but my opinions like everyone else's, do not always coincide with the commonly accepted ones. Or would you rather pigeonhole me into a almost Socratic martyr, or Brave New World main character?

You talk about yourself too much. This bores people.

I don't think Disney restricts what FFG does as much as everyone thinks they do. I mean, sure, they have to give stuff the ok, but look at X-Wing and the LCG. Since Disney bought LF, there have been at least the following with zero foundation in the films:

For X-Wing:

K-Wing

TIE Punisher

Khiraxz Fighter

For the LCG:

TIE Phantoms

Soontir Fel

Maarek Stele

Niles Ferrier

Thrawn

Guri

TIE Defenders

All of the above came out at a time that required LFL's approval under Disney. It's clear that FFG is not bound purely to official canon. Also, what's will all the Disney hate? Bob Iger is not some evil mastermind. He may have a shrewd business mind and answers to the shareholders, but he sure as heck is no Mike Eisner. And let's call a spade a spade. Whether you like the new film or not, there is a lot of the Legends EU that is pure garbage. And as an aside, Rebels is actually really good. Kanan, for example, is definitely one of the best characters introduced beyond the OT in any medium, main canon or legends. Just my 2 cents.

On topic; I have no idea when they will announce it, but like others have said, I anticipate a smaller Twin Shadows style box. Bespin or Jabba's Palace is likely, but I would really love a Shadows of the Empire or Dark Forces expansion.

I think a large part of what makes people upset about Disney is their attitude of control. Lucas allowed a pretty wide berth for people to play off of his IP. Sure, LFL handed out C & D orders when people didn't get licenses properly, but the EU was created (for good OR bad) by fans for fans. It was done without constant oversight and control by LFL in most respects. Sure, if someone would have pitched a story in which Luke burned crosses or Han got AIDS from Chewie it would have been nixed, but for the most part Lucas stood back and let people create. Disney, on the other hand, seems to be much more domineering in regards to the IP. They immediately undid pretty much all of the EU simply so they could redo it themselves. If they would have just done their own thing, people would have been less upset. Instead, they made a point of declaring everything moot. That's insulting to fans, and it creates an air of possessiveness that was not present before their involvement. In general, that will earn you a bad reputation.

I think a large part of what makes people upset about Disney is their attitude of control. Lucas allowed a pretty wide berth for people to play off of his IP. Sure, LFL handed out C & D orders when people didn't get licenses properly, but the EU was created (for good OR bad) by fans for fans. It was done without constant oversight and control by LFL in most respects. Sure, if someone would have pitched a story in which Luke burned crosses or Han got AIDS from Chewie it would have been nixed, but for the most part Lucas stood back and let people create. Disney, on the other hand, seems to be much more domineering in regards to the IP. They immediately undid pretty much all of the EU simply so they could redo it themselves. If they would have just done their own thing, people would have been less upset. Instead, they made a point of declaring everything moot. That's insulting to fans, and it creates an air of possessiveness that was not present before their involvement. In general, that will earn you a bad reputation.

Exactly this, and said better than I. By fans for fans. Thank you Tomkat.

I'd have thought that was a good thing about Disney. If LFL had taken proper care of the franchise previously instead of letting people do whatever they wanted so long as they paid a licence fee then perhaps it wouldn't have been full of such crap and Disney wouldn't have had to do what they did.

I'd have thought that was a good thing about Disney. If LFL had taken proper care of the franchise previously instead of letting people do whatever they wanted so long as they paid a licence fee then perhaps it wouldn't have been full of such crap and Disney wouldn't have had to do what they did.

Because everything Disney makes is great? Like it or not, a lot of people like the EU. Sure, there are some bad things, but there are a lot of good things. And many of those good things have been around for 30 years. So before you compare Heir to the Empire with "That's So Raven", think about all the CRAP Disney authorizes. My point was that Disney didn't HAVE to do anything. Lucas overwrote EU when he released new material (like the Clone Wars), and I think that's fine. What he didn't do, was say alright, NONE OF THIS MATTERS. He simply wrote a different story. Disney actively dismissed everything immediately. It's a little more aggressive and controlling.

George Lucas primarily dealt with the prequel era, where little had been written about until the films came out. Yes, it sometimes contradicted what was published already in the EU, but because most of the existing EU stuff had been set after the orginal films there was much less overlap, and the contradictions where generally less serious (more issues of historical timelines, such as when the Clone Wars happened and what they were, and a "feeling" of the setting). However, the new films were going to be set during the period where the meat of the EU had been written, and they didn't want to have to tie themselves to any aspect of it or have fans complaining "but that contradicts x,y,z" It makes sense to come out at actively declare "we are not tying ourselves to any aspect of this. If you insist on a "canon" don't hold us to maintaining any consistency with anything except these x number of things"

It's not like EU wasn't already a mess anyway. A clean state is another desirable thing.

George Lucas primarily dealt with the prequel era, where little had been written about until the films came out. Yes, it sometimes contradicted what was published already in the EU, but because most of the existing EU stuff had been set after the orginal films there was much less overlap, and the contradictions where generally less serious (more issues of historical timelines, such as when the Clone Wars happened and what they were, and a "feeling" of the setting). However, the new films were going to be set during the period where the meat of the EU had been written, and they didn't want to have to tie themselves to any aspect of it or have fans complaining "but that contradicts x,y,z" It makes sense to come out at actively declare "we are not tying ourselves to any aspect of this. If you insist on a "canon" don't hold us to maintaining any consistency with anything except these x number of things"

It's not like EU wasn't already a mess anyway. A clean state is another desirable thing.

Again, there is a big difference (IMO) between passively writing your own 'canon' story in contradiction to what has already been written, and actively saying ALL of this is gone. One respects the work

of others while establishing primacy, the other rejects the work of other before even writing the new story. Do you see the difference?

I'd have thought that was a good thing about Disney. If LFL had taken proper care of the franchise previously instead of letting people do whatever they wanted so long as they paid a licence fee then perhaps it wouldn't have been full of such crap and Disney wouldn't have had to do what they did.

Because everything Disney makes is great? Like it or not, a lot of people like the EU. Sure, there are some bad things, but there are a lot of good things. And many of those good things have been around for 30 years. So before you compare Heir to the Empire with "That's So Raven", think about all the CRAP Disney authorizes. My point was that Disney didn't HAVE to do anything. Lucas overwrote EU when he released new material (like the Clone Wars), and I think that's fine. What he didn't do, was say alright, NONE OF THIS MATTERS. He simply wrote a different story. Disney actively dismissed everything immediately. It's a little more aggressive and controlling.

You prefer a system where things are canon until something else overwrites them? So basically, nothing's canon, as it can all change at any time. Far better in my opinion to have a clean slate, with a clear list of what's canon and what's not and where we can have confidence that any new canon items released will remain canon. That's assuming you care about canon status - there's nothing to stop you enjoying Legends stories, I know I don't think any less of Knights of the Old Republic just because it's not canon any more.

I'd have thought that was a good thing about Disney. If LFL had taken proper care of the franchise previously instead of letting people do whatever they wanted so long as they paid a licence fee then perhaps it wouldn't have been full of such crap and Disney wouldn't have had to do what they did.

Because everything Disney makes is great? Like it or not, a lot of people like the EU. Sure, there are some bad things, but there are a lot of good things. And many of those good things have been around for 30 years. So before you compare Heir to the Empire with "That's So Raven", think about all the CRAP Disney authorizes. My point was that Disney didn't HAVE to do anything. Lucas overwrote EU when he released new material (like the Clone Wars), and I think that's fine. What he didn't do, was say alright, NONE OF THIS MATTERS. He simply wrote a different story. Disney actively dismissed everything immediately. It's a little more aggressive and controlling.

You prefer a system where things are canon until something else overwrites them? So basically, nothing's canon, as it can all change at any time. Far better in my opinion to have a clean slate, with a clear list of what's canon and what's not and where we can have confidence that any new canon items released will remain canon. That's assuming you care about canon status - there's nothing to stop you enjoying Legends stories, I know I don't think any less of Knights of the Old Republic just because it's not canon any more.

Until ____ company gets the rights to Star Wars and deems that all the Disney stuff is 'Legends 2'.

I'd have thought that was a good thing about Disney. If LFL had taken proper care of the franchise previously instead of letting people do whatever they wanted so long as they paid a licence fee then perhaps it wouldn't have been full of such crap and Disney wouldn't have had to do what they did.

Because everything Disney makes is great? Like it or not, a lot of people like the EU. Sure, there are some bad things, but there are a lot of good things. And many of those good things have been around for 30 years. So before you compare Heir to the Empire with "That's So Raven", think about all the CRAP Disney authorizes. My point was that Disney didn't HAVE to do anything. Lucas overwrote EU when he released new material (like the Clone Wars), and I think that's fine. What he didn't do, was say alright, NONE OF THIS MATTERS. He simply wrote a different story. Disney actively dismissed everything immediately. It's a little more aggressive and controlling.

You prefer a system where things are canon until something else overwrites them? So basically, nothing's canon, as it can all change at any time. Far better in my opinion to have a clean slate, with a clear list of what's canon and what's not and where we can have confidence that any new canon items released will remain canon. That's assuming you care about canon status - there's nothing to stop you enjoying Legends stories, I know I don't think any less of Knights of the Old Republic just because it's not canon any more.

Until ____ company gets the rights to Star Wars and deems that all the Disney stuff is 'Legends 2'.

Perhaps, seems unlikely though. There's certainly no reason to assume something like that will happen, because hopefully Disney's EU won't be full of contradictory stuff that gets in the way of future film timelines, whereas the old EU was an obvious problem that was always going to need dealing with.

I'd have thought that was a good thing about Disney. If LFL had taken proper care of the franchise previously instead of letting people do whatever they wanted so long as they paid a licence fee then perhaps it wouldn't have been full of such crap and Disney wouldn't have had to do what they did.

Because everything Disney makes is great? Like it or not, a lot of people like the EU. Sure, there are some bad things, but there are a lot of good things. And many of those good things have been around for 30 years. So before you compare Heir to the Empire with "That's So Raven", think about all the CRAP Disney authorizes. My point was that Disney didn't HAVE to do anything. Lucas overwrote EU when he released new material (like the Clone Wars), and I think that's fine. What he didn't do, was say alright, NONE OF THIS MATTERS. He simply wrote a different story. Disney actively dismissed everything immediately. It's a little more aggressive and controlling.

You prefer a system where things are canon until something else overwrites them? So basically, nothing's canon, as it can all change at any time. Far better in my opinion to have a clean slate, with a clear list of what's canon and what's not and where we can have confidence that any new canon items released will remain canon. That's assuming you care about canon status - there's nothing to stop you enjoying Legends stories, I know I don't think any less of Knights of the Old Republic just because it's not canon any more.

Until ____ company gets the rights to Star Wars and deems that all the Disney stuff is 'Legends 2'.

Perhaps, seems unlikely though. There's certainly no reason to assume something like that will happen, because hopefully Disney's EU won't be full of contradictory stuff that gets in the way of future film timelines, whereas the old EU was an obvious problem that was always going to need dealing with.

Their first movie out of the gate contradicts much of the previous movies in terms of the force.... Stopping blaster bolts in midair... Spontaneously being able to do mind tricks... Growing really big ears... all new!

I'd have thought that was a good thing about Disney. If LFL had taken proper care of the franchise previously instead of letting people do whatever they wanted so long as they paid a licence fee then perhaps it wouldn't have been full of such crap and Disney wouldn't have had to do what they did.

Because everything Disney makes is great? Like it or not, a lot of people like the EU. Sure, there are some bad things, but there are a lot of good things. And many of those good things have been around for 30 years. So before you compare Heir to the Empire with "That's So Raven", think about all the CRAP Disney authorizes. My point was that Disney didn't HAVE to do anything. Lucas overwrote EU when he released new material (like the Clone Wars), and I think that's fine. What he didn't do, was say alright, NONE OF THIS MATTERS. He simply wrote a different story. Disney actively dismissed everything immediately. It's a little more aggressive and controlling.

You prefer a system where things are canon until something else overwrites them? So basically, nothing's canon, as it can all change at any time. Far better in my opinion to have a clean slate, with a clear list of what's canon and what's not and where we can have confidence that any new canon items released will remain canon. That's assuming you care about canon status - there's nothing to stop you enjoying Legends stories, I know I don't think any less of Knights of the Old Republic just because it's not canon any more.

Until ____ company gets the rights to Star Wars and deems that all the Disney stuff is 'Legends 2'.

Perhaps, seems unlikely though. There's certainly no reason to assume something like that will happen, because hopefully Disney's EU won't be full of contradictory stuff that gets in the way of future film timelines, whereas the old EU was an obvious problem that was always going to need dealing with.

Their first movie out of the gate contradicts much of the previous movies in terms of the force.... Stopping blaster bolts in midair... Spontaneously being able to do mind tricks... Growing really big ears... all new!

Just because we have never seen somone in the previous films or canon series do something, doesn't mean it contradictss the force. If a force user can lift an object, a blaster bolt - plasma in a magnetic field (likely), could conceivably be stopped. It would require great control to do such.

As to the spontaneity of the mind trick, it IS odd. Surely something that will be addressed later, i mean, it'slike the force could possibly be a living entity that emerged from a slumber, and directly wanted to influence things. There are probably hundreds of reasons why that could occur. It wasn't spelled out just yet. Patience, as they say, is a virtue.

I'd have thought that was a good thing about Disney. If LFL had taken proper care of the franchise previously instead of letting people do whatever they wanted so long as they paid a licence fee then perhaps it wouldn't have been full of such crap and Disney wouldn't have had to do what they did.

Because everything Disney makes is great? Like it or not, a lot of people like the EU. Sure, there are some bad things, but there are a lot of good things. And many of those good things have been around for 30 years. So before you compare Heir to the Empire with "That's So Raven", think about all the CRAP Disney authorizes. My point was that Disney didn't HAVE to do anything. Lucas overwrote EU when he released new material (like the Clone Wars), and I think that's fine. What he didn't do, was say alright, NONE OF THIS MATTERS. He simply wrote a different story. Disney actively dismissed everything immediately. It's a little more aggressive and controlling.

You prefer a system where things are canon until something else overwrites them? So basically, nothing's canon, as it can all change at any time. Far better in my opinion to have a clean slate, with a clear list of what's canon and what's not and where we can have confidence that any new canon items released will remain canon. That's assuming you care about canon status - there's nothing to stop you enjoying Legends stories, I know I don't think any less of Knights of the Old Republic just because it's not canon any more.

Until ____ company gets the rights to Star Wars and deems that all the Disney stuff is 'Legends 2'.

Perhaps, seems unlikely though. There's certainly no reason to assume something like that will happen, because hopefully Disney's EU won't be full of contradictory stuff that gets in the way of future film timelines, whereas the old EU was an obvious problem that was always going to need dealing with.

Their first movie out of the gate contradicts much of the previous movies in terms of the force.... Stopping blaster bolts in midair... Spontaneously being able to do mind tricks... Growing really big ears... all new!

Just because we have never seen somone in the previous films or canon series do something, doesn't mean it contradictss the force. If a force user can lift an object, a blaster bolt - plasma in a magnetic field (likely), could conceivably be stopped. It would require great control to do such.

As to the spontaneity of the mind trick, it IS odd. Surely something that will be addressed later, i mean, it'slike the force could possibly be a living entity that emerged from a slumber, and directly wanted to influence things. There are probably hundreds of reasons why that could occur. It wasn't spelled out just yet. Patience, as they say, is a virtue.

I'm okay with new force abilities, as long as they fit in with the overall previously established view of the force. If a force user could teleport, or fly through hyperspace without a ship, or turn invisible, I would think it was pretty stupid. The biggest problem with the blaster bolt is that it then continues on its original motion once released. If it just fizzled away, deflected, or exploded in place, that would have made more sense. Why even use lightsabers to deflect blaster bolts if you could control them with the force? If he is stopping time in some way, then why would Vader and Palpatine not freeze Luke in place rather than the whole elaborate carbonite plan? And if you say that Kylo is THAT much more powerful than Palpatine....

I'd have thought that was a good thing about Disney. If LFL had taken proper care of the franchise previously instead of letting people do whatever they wanted so long as they paid a licence fee then perhaps it wouldn't have been full of such crap and Disney wouldn't have had to do what they did.

Because everything Disney makes is great? Like it or not, a lot of people like the EU. Sure, there are some bad things, but there are a lot of good things. And many of those good things have been around for 30 years. So before you compare Heir to the Empire with "That's So Raven", think about all the CRAP Disney authorizes. My point was that Disney didn't HAVE to do anything. Lucas overwrote EU when he released new material (like the Clone Wars), and I think that's fine. What he didn't do, was say alright, NONE OF THIS MATTERS. He simply wrote a different story. Disney actively dismissed everything immediately. It's a little more aggressive and controlling.

You prefer a system where things are canon until something else overwrites them? So basically, nothing's canon, as it can all change at any time. Far better in my opinion to have a clean slate, with a clear list of what's canon and what's not and where we can have confidence that any new canon items released will remain canon. That's assuming you care about canon status - there's nothing to stop you enjoying Legends stories, I know I don't think any less of Knights of the Old Republic just because it's not canon any more.

Until ____ company gets the rights to Star Wars and deems that all the Disney stuff is 'Legends 2'.

Perhaps, seems unlikely though. There's certainly no reason to assume something like that will happen, because hopefully Disney's EU won't be full of contradictory stuff that gets in the way of future film timelines, whereas the old EU was an obvious problem that was always going to need dealing with.

How is Disney's stuff anymore 'out of the way' then the original EU? The only difference is theirs are movies... so the 'common' folk are aware of what happens after the Battle of Endor without having to open a book.

I'm okay with new force abilities, as long as they fit in with the overall previously established view of the force. If a force user could teleport, or fly through hyperspace without a ship, or turn invisible, I would think it was pretty stupid. The biggest problem with the blaster bolt is that it then continues on its original motion once released. If it just fizzled away, deflected, or exploded in place, that would have made more sense. Why even use lightsabers to deflect blaster bolts if you could control them with the force? If he is stopping time in some way, then why would Vader and Palpatine not freeze Luke in place rather than the whole elaborate carbonite plan? And if you say that Kylo is THAT much more powerful than Palpatine....

Why wouldn't Palpatine and Vader do it? Perhaps they didn't know how, or bother using it. I'm sure Kylo was using his full ability of the force to keep that bolt hovering. Kylo DOES have Vader's blood in him. Who knows how strong he could be. He isn't focused enough to keep his control.