Double/Triple Token power creep?

By Marinealver, in X-Wing

So this card has been spoiled

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So made me start to think, How easy is it to say have Guri with this and then start getting double focus on all ships or even focus focus evade (soontir's hallmark token bank). Sure the stress might counter it but I am not just talking about the mindlink but the prevalence of getting double or tipple focus. At first you had to do wonders to get 2 tokens in a turn, now it is looking that 2 or even 3 green tokens in a turn will be more common.

So what do you think, is this multi token turns going to be a thing and will we see more cards/pilots that work in the same fashion?

Shh. Nobody tell him about Recon Specialist.

No. Not even close. What you seem to be ignoring is the opportunity cost. What EPTs are you giving up to take this one? In addition to the fact that requires one other ship to use the same EPT is quite limiting.

Now, the Manaroo Mind Link chain is nice, but a bit fragile.

How are you getting triple focus?

haha

nice bait op

And that's not taking into account that it extrapolates the damage done by Stresshog or Tactician, or basically every time you take a stress, like by making a k-turn/s-loop.

How are you getting triple focus?

With the pilots he mentioned, the other Mind Link character would focus first, Guri gets a Focus. Then Guri takes Focus as her normal action. And then a third free one at the start of the combat phase.

Also tbh who cares about guri having 3 focus tokens, they're decent on defense but not amazing.

Yeah I don't see this card being an example of power creep. Sure, at first glance it looks really good; however, it takes up the elite slot, makes stress management a pain in the exhaust pipe, and is useless without at least another ship with the upgrade.

doesn't it say on the card that you can only get a token if you don't already have one? :)

Reread the card.

Or, nice troll

Edit: i take that second part back. That said, in a heavy stress generating meta (both yourself and your opponent) it's far from op.

It's also no worse than imperials suddenly getting free evades like candy

Edited by Ralgon

You can get folks with double/triple focus out of it, but it's a bit tricky: you'll have to take Focus actions after someone else has already passed around Focus tokens. But it's totally doable.

  • Ship 1 takes a Focus action, giving Ships 2 and 3 a Focus token.
  • It's not an action, so Ships 2 and 3 can take Focus actions, getting double focus
  • All of those ships are also packing Recon Specialist, so they all end up with 2/3/3 Focus
  • You now laugh at any attempts to use Juke or Opportunist, outside of Omega Leader
  • You are now super terrified of Stressbots and Tactician
  • You are also probably flying some HWKs if you have RecSpec, so enjoy being stressed and only having two green dice.

I love the mind-links, they're gonna be glorious fun to play with, but they're not going to be OP (even if you can pretty easily get three focuses a turn on some ships). But the stress is a great counter-balance, and I think it'll work out just fine.

Also tbh who cares about guri having 3 focus tokens, they're decent on defense but not amazing.

Guri, yeah, it's whatever. It'll let her use it on both attack and defense which isn't terrible, especially since she can get two of em' out of a S-Loop. Could be fun.

But I kind of like the idea of maybe using it for Blaster Turret carriers. Throw this on Kavil with a Blaster Turret and R4 Agromech: double focus on Kavil, which turns your four red dice into a TL+Focus attack. Not gonna lie, that sounds potentially brutal.

Hell, put it on Kaato Leeachos! He gets his first Focus token via theft from a friend... and then everyone gets a Focus token!

Manaroo with Recon Specialist. I think you can end up getting 4 focus on someone that way.

EDIT - ok THIS way you can get 5.

Manaroo (27)
Attanni Mindlink (1)
Recon Specialist (3)

Guri (30)
Attanni Mindlink (1)
Enhanced Scopes (1)
Virago (1)

Total: 64

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Guri acts as a zero. Does a Focus. Manaroo also gains one. They each have one. Manaroo's turn next. She does a Focus, gains two. Manaroo has 3, Guri has one. COmbat begins and Manaroo dumps all 3 of hers onto Guri, who now has 4, and then triggers her own ability to gain one for being near an enemy at range 1... Guri now has 5.

Overkill but yeah it seems 5 can be done.

Edited by Crabbok

Also works with Leachos. Manaroo passes off hers, gains one back. Then Leachos triggers, steals Manaroo's, and she gets one back.

Also tbh who cares about guri having 3 focus tokens, they're decent on defense but not amazing.

Guri, yeah, it's whatever. It'll let her use it on both attack and defense which isn't terrible, especially since she can get two of em' out of a S-Loop. Could be fun.

But I kind of like the idea of maybe using it for Blaster Turret carriers. Throw this on Kavil with a Blaster Turret and R4 Agromech: double focus on Kavil, which turns your four red dice into a TL+Focus attack. Not gonna lie, that sounds potentially brutal.

Hell, put it on Kaato Leeachos! He gets his first Focus token via theft from a friend... and then everyone gets a Focus token!

What's the average damage look like for the Blaster Turret with a focus versus the TLT with two focus? The BT has become an endangered species.

Protip: Do not do Red maneuvers with 2+ ships equipped with Mindlink or you are going to have a bad time.

Manaroo with Recon Specialist. I think you can end up getting 4 focus on someone that way. EDIT - ok THIS way you can get 5. Manaroo (27)Attanni Mindlink (1)Recon Specialist (3)Guri (30)Attanni Mindlink (1)Enhanced Scopes (1)Virago (1)Total: 64View in Yet Another Squad Builder Guri acts as a zero. Does a Focus. Manaroo also gains one. They each have one. Manaroo's turn next. She does a Focus, gains two. Manaroo has 3, Guri has one. COmbat begins and Manaroo dumps all 3 of hers onto Guri, who now has 4, and then triggers her own ability to gain one for being near an enemy at range 1... Guri now has 5. Overkill but yeah it seems 5 can be done.

And wouldn't Manaroo pick up one through Mindlink when Guri gets hers for range 1?

She already would have one from passing off her tokens, so no.

She already would have one from passing off her tokens, so no.

Why does that matter? The pass and Guri picking up from range 1 happen simultaneously (start of combat phase, right?), so the controlling player would choose the order - 1) pass all tokens off of Manaroo 2) Guri is assigned focus from range 1, so Manaroo must be assigned a focus since she no longer has one. Mindlink is not once per turn - it's "each time you are assigned a focus or stress token, each other friendly ship with Attani Mindlink must also be assigned the same type of token if it does not already have on."

I think I see what you're saying - that Manaroo would pick up a focus during step 1 above - that makes sense, too.

Protip: Do not do Red maneuvers with 2+ ships equipped with Mindlink or you are going to have a bad time.

Very much this.

You can not use this upgrade on a group of ships that want to joust, even if that would intuitively seem the best pick, because literally only one ship can K-turn a round. Or any other red manoeuvre, for that matter.

Going to be interesting to see where to line this thing up. 4LOM might enjoy it, but with whom shall we pair it?

doesn't it say on the card that you can only get a token if you don't already have one? :)

you get it from lower-PS pilot

and then activate and take one yourself :D

hence you get evade+focus from low-PS and get evade\focus yourself ^_^