Chewbacca (pilot)

When you are dealt a faceup Damage card, immediately flip it facedown (without resolving its ability).

Boba Fett (crew)

After performing an attack, if the defender was dealt a faceup Damage card, you may discard this card to choose and discard 1 of the defender's Upgrade cards.

Am I correct in thinking Boba Fett will still be able to strip an Upgrade off of Chewbacca?

- Face up damage card dealt

- Chewbacca flips it down, ignoring the text

- Boba Fett strips because, even though it is now face down, the damage card was dealt face up

Sounds right

I could be wrong though

Sounds like it would work. Chewie doesn't negate the dealing of the card, he just flips it over once he gets it. But he has to get it to flip it over, which would let Boba do his thing.

I'd say RAW Boba would go off regardless of what Chewie does.

He was still dealt a face up card, even if he was able to flip it over.

I want Chewie to be immune, but I agree with everyone, Boba would work. Would like to see an official clarification though.

I think if someone was dealt Minor or Major Explosion, then the fact it was flipped by the time the attack is over, a Critical was still dealt. From that I would say being flipped does not negate the fact that a critical was dealt.

I want Chewie to be immune, but I agree with everyone, Boba would work. Would like to see an official clarification though.

I don't think it really needs an "official" clarification. Both abilities require a faceup Damage card to be dealt before they trigger. " Dealing " and " flipping " are two defined terms within the game, and Chewie can only trigger when the card is dealt faceup and Boba requires this very event to trigger his ability.

By flipping the card facedown, you do not change the fact that it was dealt faceup to start with.

Now I do think Determination would keep Boba from going off, because you discard the card immediately.

I want Chewie to be immune, but I agree with everyone, Boba would work. Would like to see an official clarification though.

That is in part why I started this thread; so we can have something to easily refer to because this will come up.

I'm not so sure Determination would stop Boba Fett's ability. Determination allows you to discard it without resolving any of its effects but it was still dealt as a Face-up card. When you look at Determination and Chewie remember that if you really wanted to you could turn the card face down before Determination got to look at it allowing it to land on the ship. If Chewie could circumvent Determination and we're all agreeing that Boba doesn't care what Chewie does then it stands to reason that Boba wouldn't care about Determination either.

Now the weird interaction is really would Determination be allowed to go off if Boba would choose to for Determination to be discarded?

I'm not so sure Determination would stop Boba Fett's ability. Determination allows you to discard it without resolving any of its effects but it was still dealt as a Face-up card. When you look at Determination and Chewie remember that if you really wanted to you could turn the card face down before Determination got to look at it allowing it to land on the ship. If Chewie could circumvent Determination and we're all agreeing that Boba doesn't care what Chewie does then it stands to reason that Boba wouldn't care about Determination either.

Now the weird interaction is really would Determination be allowed to go off if Boba would choose to for Determination to be discarded?

I agree that Boba would still trigger with Determination involved as well. Both triggers are when a faceup card is dealt. I would also think that Determination would still go off, even considering:

If multiple abilities resolve at the same time, the player with initiative resolves his abilities first. (Core Rulebook p 16)

Both triggers would go off and be on the stack. Despite the Determination upgrade card no longer being attached to the ship, the ability is still waiting to be resolved and will finish once Boba's ability is completed.

I'm not so sure Determination would stop Boba Fett's ability. Determination allows you to discard it without resolving any of its effects but it was still dealt as a Face-up card. When you look at Determination and Chewie remember that if you really wanted to you could turn the card face down before Determination got to look at it allowing it to land on the ship. If Chewie could circumvent Determination and we're all agreeing that Boba doesn't care what Chewie does then it stands to reason that Boba wouldn't care about Determination either.

Now the weird interaction is really would Determination be allowed to go off if Boba would choose to for Determination to be discarded?

I think Determination wouldn't stop Boba either, for the same reasons as Chewie can't stop him. The Damage card has still been dealt, and that hasn't changed.

Determination triggers immediately you are dealt a Damage card, which is still during the attack process. Boba specifies after the attack. So Determination would indeed allow the Damage card to be discarded, then Boba could choose to discard Determination ensuring Chewie can't do that a second time.

Yeah. I'm out of likes so I'll just have to post.

Some people (mostly on the general form) either didn't notice or forgot that Boba happens after an attack not when the card is dealt.

So any ability that triggers on a card being dealt will process before Boba. So a X-Wing with IA can eject it's droid before Boba can remove the astromech upgrade. There's still an advantage here, Boba could make you remove R2-D2 before you really want to.

But that also applies to things like determination and the like. But as long as a card is dealt then Boba triggers regardless of what you do with the card after the fact.

Interestingly enough Boba could make Draw Their Fire a popular upgrade again because you could pull the crit off a ship with a upgrade to one without one.

Yeah. I'm out of likes so I'll just have to post.

Some people (mostly on the general form) either didn't notice or forgot that Boba happens after an attack not when the card is dealt.

So any ability that triggers on a card being dealt will process before Boba. So a X-Wing with IA can eject it's droid before Boba can remove the astromech upgrade. There's still an advantage here, Boba could make you remove R2-D2 before you really want to.

But that also applies to things like determination and the like. But as long as a card is dealt then Boba triggers regardless of what you do with the card after the fact.

Interestingly enough Boba could make Draw Their Fire a popular upgrade again because you could pull the crit off a ship with a upgrade to one without one.

Well, except Draw Their Fire, which might then be the best target for Boba to abscond with.

Well, except Draw Their Fire, which might then be the best target for Boba to abscond with.

Good point, the ship with DTF would naturally have an upgrade... Apparently I haven't had enough coffee yet...

But loss of DTF at a cost of Boba could be a net win for the person with DTF.

Wouldn't draw their fire just prevent them from using Boba as he specifically says the defender?

Wouldn't draw their fire just prevent them from using Boba as he specifically says the defender?

It says 'if the defender was dealt a face up card' so if you shift the only <crit> to someone other than the defender then Boba won't trigger. But you could of course use it to strip the DTF from the ship with it, if you hit that ship and give it a face up card.

Wouldn't draw their fire just prevent them from using Boba as he specifically says the defender?

It says 'if the defender was dealt a face up card' so if you shift the only <crit> to someone other than the defender then Boba won't trigger. But you could of course use it to strip the DTF from the ship with it, if you hit that ship and give it a face up card.

True, but I would think that draw their fire would be on a disposable ship anyhow.

True, but I would think that draw their fire would be on a disposable ship anyhow.

Possibly, but another way to use it is on a ship with regen, so you can regen the shield you just lost from DTF.

True, but I would think that draw their fire would be on a disposable ship anyhow.

Possibly, but another way to use it is on a ship with regen, so you can regen the shield you just lost from DTF.

I'm basically only imperials so regen does not enter my thoughts at all. Solid point.

Another card that have the same effect

Moff Jerjerrod : When you are dealt a faceup Damage card, you may discard this card or another Upgrade card to flip that Damage card facedown (without resolving its effect)

​On my mind, the Boba effect can be trigger an discard the facedown card.

​Question : What's happen if more than one card is deal face up ? Witch player choose the card to discard ?

Jerjerrod can discard himself or another crew card to flip the incoming faceup card facedown.

That doesn't stop it having been dealt faceup, so Boba triggers after the attack, and can then discard any upgrade card that remains on the targetted ship.

Boba can't discard the already discarded crew card.

Boba DOESN'T discard the damage card, that's not his effect. He discards himself, and one upgrade on the targetted ship.

I can't argue with the strict, to the letter stating that Boba would still trigger, tho im not sure its really in the spirit of the card.

To that end, how would Bobas card wording be changed, so that chewies ability still flips the card, but prevents Boba from triggering?

Perhpas it could read,

After performing an attack, if the defender suffered a faceup Damage card, you may discard this card to choose and discard 1 of the defender's Upgrade cards.

But that doesn't feel like the wording makes sense. Thats the only issue i take with this. Although i imagine if FFG didn't intend crit bypassing ability's to not work against Boba, they would fix it in an FAQ.

However i suspect everyone is correct, given that the ship carrying Boba has to land a crit, and that removal can only happen once per game, but even so there are not that many ability's that can negate crit cards from flat out being dealt at all to the target ship.

That still wouldn't stop him. Suffering a faceup card and being dealt one are the same.

I don't think there is a wording that would satisfy your preferred rule and not be ruined by the self-flipping crits.

Plus, the rule is fine as is - as you note, it's tough to trigger Boba already anyway. You have to be landing a face up damage card which means either AHM or a ship with no shields, and unless you're using the YV, it also means you can't use the normal crew that the Scum have to crit hunt for Boba. He's fine as he is.

I can't argue with the strict, to the letter stating that Boba would still trigger, tho im not sure its really in the spirit of the card.

To that end, how would Bobas card wording be changed, so that chewies ability still flips the card, but prevents Boba from triggering?

Perhpas it could read,

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I'd say the "spirit" of the card has Boba slipping on board or doing something special when something big happens even if the target it capable of handling that situation.

Although it completely changes how, and more importantly when, Boba would trigger I think it may be possible to get him working only if the target actually HAS a face up card on it. Basically the trigger needs to change from from dealing the target a face-up card to the target simply HAVING a face-up damage card on it. As I say the problem with that type of wording is that it changes how Boba works. Maybe something like this:

If after attacking, the target of your attack has a face-up damage card you may discard Boba Fett and force the target to also discard an upgrade of your choosing. Dealing a face-up card no longer matters, only that the target has a face-up card even if it happened to be placed there by someone, or something, else.