Crit effects - Did it happen?

By Hastatior, in Star Wars: Armada Rules Questions

So here is a question I'm pretty sure I know the answer to, but I was in disagreement with my opponent and decided to cede to his interpretation so long as we kept it consistent but I would like community confirmation that he wasn't doing it right...

Say in a situation where two dice are rolled at long range on a shield-less ship and they come up crit and hit. The ship uses an evade and selects the crit die to evade - my understanding would be that there is no longer a crit in the pool. In other words, no crit effect is resolved and the ship would only take a face down card.

My opponent was arguing that the die remains in the pool but is canceled as damage, therefore a crit is still resolved (this might have been in no small part because we were playing the objective that gives you 15 points for every face up card dealt)

To me this seems patently wrong, if you evade the crit there is no crit effect to resolve according to the attack resolution stack (evade happens before the damage resolution).

To my understanding, that is wrong. An Evade token cancels the die. In effect, it is gone from the pool and ignored. Resolving Critical Effects occurs after defense tokens are spent. Since the die is cancelled and no longer exists, it cannot be resolved as a critical effect. So your opponent is wrong.

I agree that your opponent is wrong. If the dice is canceled, then it is removed from the pool as though it does not exist.

"My opponent was arguing that the die remains in the pool but is canceled as damage"

Well, let's examine this from the rules quotes perspective:

Page 4, RRG, "Defense Tokens"

• Evade D: At long range, the defender cancels one attack die of its choice. At medium range, it chooses one attack die to be rerolled. At close range or distance 1, this token has no effect.

Page 7, RRG, "Modifying Dice"

• Cancel: When a die or die icon is canceled, remove it from the attack pool.

SO there. The Die is cancelled, and removed from the Pool .

The Whole Die.

Nothing but the Die.

Edited by Drasnighta

Thanks guys, that was my understanding.

Yeah when you cancel a die it's removed completely, it no longer is in the pool so you don't count it for anything. You can't modify it, can't reroll it, it has zero effect.

I love when Drasnighta gets on his high horse

"My opponent was arguing that the die remains in the pool but is canceled as damage"

Well, let's examine this from the rules quotes perspective:

Page 4, RRG, "Defense Tokens"

• Evade D: At long range, the defender cancels one attack die of its choice. At medium range, it chooses one attack die to be rerolled. At close range or distance 1, this token has no effect.

Page 7, RRG, "Modifying Dice"

• Cancel: When a die or die icon is canceled, remove it from the attack pool.

SO there. The Die is cancelled, and removed from the Pool .

The Whole Die.

Nothing but the Die.

So help me the Force?

"My opponent was arguing that the die remains in the pool but is canceled as damage"

Well, let's examine this from the rules quotes perspective:

Page 4, RRG, "Defense Tokens"

• Evade D: At long range, the defender cancels one attack die of its choice. At medium range, it chooses one attack die to be rerolled. At close range or distance 1, this token has no effect.

Page 7, RRG, "Modifying Dice"

• Cancel: When a die or die icon is canceled, remove it from the attack pool.

SO there. The Die is cancelled, and removed from the Pool .

The Whole Die.

Nothing but the Die.

So help me the Force?

I like "So help me Jabba."

Edited by Lyraeus

^ Hilaryous.

Edit: or maybe Hilyraeus?

Edited by Green Knight

^ Hilaryous.

Edit: or maybe Hilyraeus?