Question...is the Regional Bye that you get from the Store Championship a standard bye or is it somehow better? I know in Xwing its a full win so I was wondering if Armada will follow the same guidelines.

I'm fairly certain it's a full win. I'm not sure that I like the idea of a full win bye in Armada, In a 3 game tournament, that is a SERIOUS advantage and a pretty major one in a 5 game tournament.

It counts as an 8-2 win.

It counts as an 8-2 win.

Where are you getting this from? I ask because last year the X-Wing Regional Byes were full wins and it was not in the FAQs anywhere, it was just announced on their website if I remember correctly. I am guessing its a full win also and that is huge especially if you get the MOV points with it.

I thought that was how I read it in the materials that came with the Store Championship kit. Something to the effect of it counting as a standard bye. Of course, now I am doubting myself and regretting posting from work.

If it is a full win, that would indeed be a huge advantage.

In the tournament rules, if there are an odd number of players and you are the odd one out you get an 8-2 win. I don't remember with MOV points you get though.

I assume that the 1st round byes work exactly the same.

In the tournament rules, if there are an odd number of players and you are the odd one out you get an 8-2 win. I don't remember with MOV points you get though.

I assume that the 1st round byes work exactly the same.

Normally I would agree but again with X-Wing last year they didnt follow the tournament rules.

I thought that was how I read it in the materials that came with the Store Championship kit. Something to the effect of it counting as a standard bye. Of course, now I am doubting myself and regretting posting from work.

If it is a full win, that would indeed be a huge advantage.

Hrm...that would settle it if it was spelled out in the kit. If you still have access to it I would be curious.

If i remember it correctly from last Saturday, the FFG software TOME had the bye listed as 9-1 with a 150 MOV.

Please correct me if this info is not accurate

If i remember it correctly from last Saturday, the FFG software TOME had the bye listed as 9-1 with a 150 MOV.

Please correct me if this info is not accurate

That seems like a nice happy medium.

IFF cover it in their latest episode, apparently its a higher Mov than tge standard Bye

Would someone be kind enough to explain the reasoning behind giving an 8-2 or 9-1 victory to the guy with the bye ? I understand that he misses the opportunity to score tournament points, but it is a severe tournament points advantage they're giving him.

Its a Reward for either:

a) Having to sit out due to Uneven Numbers, which honestly, is a sh*tty deal to most people

b) A Reward for, y'know, winning a Store Championship... Since Regionals are open to anyone who wants to attend, its an incentive to try at all levels.

Per the tournament rules...

When a player receives a bye, he or she receives a win worth 8 tournament points and a margin of victory of 61 for the round.

Which makes sense, a bye should be at least as good as a win. 10-0 or even 9-1 however would be way to big of an advantage, 7-3 could be fair however.

But the bye from a store championship should be better than a standard bye, and should in fact give you a fair advantage in regionals.

It has been noted that the "Regular", ie, "Odd numer of Players" Bye is an 8-2 as per tournament Rules.

The statement so far is that the "Regional - Won Store Championship" BYE is a 9-1 with a 150MOV. Which is an advantage and incentive, and above and beyong the general TOURNAMENT rules, as provided in the Store Championships Tournament Kit...

Which makes sense, a bye should be at least as good as a win.

That's my question, why should it ? What makes it worth a reward over let's say a 5-5 ?

Not trying to start an argument, just trying to understand the logic beind this ruling.

Which makes sense, a bye should be at least as good as a win.

That's my question, why should it ? What makes it worth a reward over let's say a 5-5 ?

Not trying to start an argument, just trying to understand the logic beind this ruling.

You'd have to ask FFG that. Because there is no specific guidance given, unless its buried deep in their "Organised Play" Announcements.

And now, for the Non-Quote Response (So yes, from this point on, "You" is relating to a Nebulous Anyman, and not any one person in particular) :

I think they tried to settle on something that would count as a win (as a 5-5 would), but would also keep you in the running for an overall victory if you played your other two games well.

WIth a game that runs on Tournament points, a 5-5 might just be Game over... When the "Winning Average" of a Tournament is in the 24 point area, then a 5-5 means you better 10-0 at least one game...

Ann 8-2 puts you on the curve for contention.

Of course, that's just my initial thoughts on it... Certainly not argument worthy, and I am already sure I am incorrect - as I said, just some possible thoughts on the possibility.

And of course, the "Winning Average" point is going to be hotly contested from Area to Area, Tournament to Tournament, Meta to Meta, so there's not much point in telling me I'm wrong there.

I am.

I'm right for me and my area.

But wrong for you.

There, got that out of the way for you already

"When a player receives a bye, he or she receives a win worth 8 tournament points and a margin of victory of 129 for the round."

Is there another kind?

The Byes rewarded for Championship Winners to use at the next level up give them so-called "Super Byes"

Most miniatures gaming tournaments do Swiss pairing - highest scores play each other after the first round's random pairing. After the first round's random bye, byes typically go to the person with the lowest score which means it will put them back into the middle of the pack if they get an 8-2 victory but no where near the top half assuming there is a scoring beyond just wins. Unless the person with the bye is winning all their games by a similar margin, it's not going to affect who wins overall. It could affect placement further down the rankings though. At the SC I played this weekend, a person who had no byes ended up in last (fifth) place with the three players who had byes in second, third, and fourth.

That's my question, why should it ? What makes it worth a reward over let's say a 5-5 ?

Because that means a bye has the very real chance of dropping you out of the top 4/8 before you play your first game.

If you figure the average win is going to be 7/3 or 8/2 then a 5/5 is actually a horrible score and really puts you out of the running. A 8/2 on the other hand is going to keep you in the running, but not give you a huge advantage.

A 7/3 could work as well, it would really depend on what the avg win is, in your area. If most people win at 7/3 or 6/4... then a 8/2 is going to be a huge advantage. But the rules can't really account for your local area, so they come up with what I'd assume they consider to be a fair win.

Getting a bye should never be a disadvantage, and if you are going to err one way or the other it should be in favor of that person, since they did in fact miss playing a game.

"When a player receives a bye, he or she receives a win worth 8 tournament points and a margin of victory of 129 for the round."

Is there another kind?

The Byes rewarded for Championship Winners to use at the next level up give them so-called "Super Byes"

Based on experience from the last round of championships? Or written somewhere?

Curious.

"When a player receives a bye, he or she receives a win worth 8 tournament points and a margin of victory of 129 for the round."

Is there another kind?

The Byes rewarded for Championship Winners to use at the next level up give them so-called "Super Byes"

Based on experience from the last round of championships? Or written somewhere?

Curious.

This is based on the 2015 X-Wing Regionals.

"When a player receives a bye, he or she receives a win worth 8 tournament points and a margin of victory of 129 for the round."

Is there another kind?

The Byes rewarded for Championship Winners to use at the next level up give them so-called "Super Byes"

Based on experience from the last round of championships? Or written somewhere?

Curious.

Supposedly written in the Store Championships Tournament Kit Information Sheet.

Without seeing the kit I can't say this for sure... Although I can ask my LGS to let me peek at it on Wednesday...

But the bye you win from a store championship is supposed to be a reward, so logically it has to be better than a standard bye.