Just wanted a bit of advice on how to handle something that came up in our store championship yesterday as I maybe didn't handle it greatly.

I had my VI Vader miniswarm against Palp aces. Came down to Vader And two Black's vs Fel. Two identical ships still in play. No3 and No4. One was full health, the other on its last hit point.

My pilot cards were arranged in numerical order matching the base tokens and I had placed the damage cards directly on top of the damaged shios pilot card. At no point after did I move them.

Problem occured when his Fel exchanged fire with the full health TIE. Either did one or two damage, I can't recall but not enough to kill. However my opponent was totally convinced he was shooting at the damaged one and was adamant that there was no way it could have been the full health one there.

I was equally adamant that yes it was.

I guess its possible that I placed the damage cards on wrong ship in error but I'm as sure as I can be without a video replay that's not the case.

For clarity sake, I absolutely don't think he was trying to pull a fast one. He definatley believed what he was saying. Played him before and never had any reason to doubt his integrity so no reason to now either. I simply believe he was mistaken.

I did though get quite defensive at his insistence as I felt he was basically calling me a cheat.. but did offer to call a judge. As he said though what could a judge really do?

Was made worst when my TIE then returned fire and crackshotted through Fels last hitpoint to give me the win.

Left a bad taste in both our mouths I think. I'm confident I had the win anyway but the manner of the end wasn't what I'm used to.

How on earth do you resolve this without leaving someone feeling aggrieved?

Call the judge.

Let the judge ask the questions and let the judge sort it out.

If I was the judge, without any further evidence from either side, I would have to let the damage cards stand as they are.

And, always call the judge.

There also was nothing stopping your opponent asking, before taking the shot, or even before setting dials, which of the 2 fighters was damaged, the fact he DIDN'T check is frankly his look out.

I always ask hot much health is left on what I believe to be a damaged ship.

Rikk

Simple question: were you using ID tokens on the ship bases and in front of the ship cards?

If the answer is no, he's got every right to get steamed if he truly thought he was shooting at the crippled ship. He probably should have asked before declaring that ship the target, but obviously didn't.

If the answer is yes, there's no way he can cry foul.

Page 2 of the Tournament Rules under Squad Deployment Procedure

2. Both players reveal all components in their squads and assign ID tokens to any ships that have a duplicate on the same team. If both players fielded squads from the same faction, ID tokens are assigned to all ships (see “Mirror Matches” on page 3). One player must display only the white numerals of his ID tokens; the other player must display only the black numerals.

I was using ID tokens, 3 and 4. The cards were also ordered in PS order left to right. Vader, Howl, Black number 3, black number 4, Wampa. Due to space, the tokens on the cards may have been jostled. Dont recall as I was a bit flustered as never had anything like it happen before.

Didn't spoil the day (going 2 and 2 did that ).

I like to think I'm a good opponent when it comes to sportsmanship, another game in the day I explained to an opponent that had never faces Crackshot that using his evade tomen maybe wasn't worth it. Same when another was usingbone against a Wampa crit so my perceived integrity matters to me.

We were in with each other later so no harm done ling term, I just wasn't sure how to amicably resolve so ethibg lime that if it was to ever happen when in playing or judging.

I put the ID tokens on my pilot cards too to avoid this situation.

I don't think either of you were really 'at fault' per say, but it could of been a much clearer situation.

I always ask for the damage situation on my targets; "How much damage does have?" or "Who has more shields left?" Especially if they're the same type of ship, then I'll say "How much does #5 have?"

I also keep my shield tokens in a row rather than a stack so my opponent can look over and see how many I have left, and completely remove lost shield tokens back to my Plano box to avoid confusion. And I fan out my damage cards as well so you can see how many of them there are. I will of course verify if asked.

The problem is...

Even if you have the tokens on the ships it's always possible they'll get bumped or someone could move them. Calling the judge over won't really help, because what can the judge do? It's a matter of one person's word against another's.

It sounds to me however that he just shot at the wrong ship. I'm sure he thought it was the one that was mostly dead, but he must have lost track of which ship was which at some point and didn't confirm which was which.

I put the ID tokens on my pilot cards too to avoid this situation.

I don't think either of you were really 'at fault' per say, but it could of been a much clearer situation.

As a TO, and someone who likes his kit to stay as pristine as possible, I recommend sleeving your pilot cards. This allows you to slide the ID token inside of the sleeve so that it cannot get jostled around, thus avoiding the chance of mistaken identities. Additionally I have heard, but not had to deal with (fortunately), of players that - in an effort to gain an advantage - will casually swap the ID tokens in front of them. It is cheating, it is dishonest, and it will get you disqualified if caught (and I am not implying you did this as I have no reason to doubt your honesty). Sliding the tokens inside the sleeves makes it a little more difficult for players to pull the slight-of-hand, this alone may prevent someone from making a dishonest choice.

As the other posters indicated your opponent should have checked which ship was which before declaring his attack/setting his dial. Gotta keep your head in the game and not get frazzled!

This allows you to slide the ID token inside of the sleeve

I have all my cards sleeved, but I never thought of doing this. Great idea.

Thebid token inside is a great idea. Don't have pilots in sleeves yet though just upgrades.

Cheers guys, wasn't after who was or wasn't wrong as I'm certain there were no untoward intentions o. either of our parts.

Yeah clearly neither of you were pulling anything or being obtuse, just a mistaken situation.

Sometimes when someone says they are targeting a ship I'll volunteer info on it like 'that one only has a shield' or 'that one if full health' before they even ask.

And yeah my cards are sleeved but I never thought of putting the numbers inside, that's a great idea!

This allows you to slide the ID token inside of the sleeve

I have all my cards sleeved, but I never thought of doing this. Great idea.

Yeah, I'm liking this idea also. Why is it the really simple things are usually the best solution by far?

Why is it the really simple things are usually the best solution by far?

Because complicated methods are inherently complicated?

The only downside I can see for this is if your sleeves are a bit tight to start with, they'll get stretched out. But that really isn't a huge issue.

I just like the concept of it's not likely to get bumped around, or end up under the pilot card. The anti-cheating aspect is just an added bonus.

I just like the concept of it's not likely to get bumped around, or end up under the pilot card.

I agree, especially when you have shield tokens on the card already. Can be easy for a number token to get bumped or something. Having it in the sleeve means I wouldn't have to worry about that.

Great idea ZealuxMyr, I'm totally going to start doing this.

If you don't sleeve your cards, perhaps a little blue tack to stick the ID token to the card? And then just keep enough separation between the ship cards so even if there is some minor jostling, the damage cards don't get shifted onto another ship?

Blue tack actually stains paper though, after long enough exposure you'll have ****** up your cards.

I'm still thinking the ID token in a sleeved card is the best way.

That would be something for the people who make tokens the the like to do. A number token with a clip or something on it so you could clip it to your pilot card.

I'm thinking something L shaped where you slide the card into the bottom and the number is standing up.

I've seen people use the thicker plastic card sleeves too with ID tokens glued to them. Only use them for games, not to store the cards.

If you add a little coloured mark to your models, it helps. I use the ID tokens but if there are Blue, Red, Green and Yellow ships, it is much easier. Quicker to check.

You could also use dry erase and write the matching number on the card sleeve.

And... Just make it a priority to ask - how much damage does he have. That should be on the attacker, always. But making sure your numbers are rock solid is good.