Next week should be Obi Wan vs. Palpatine in a duel or Is Yoda the most overrated jedi? Discuss

One on One I would give the edge to Vader, but he's not coming out of the battle unscathed.

He never does. He never does.

Still, I vote for Vader. Wedge is my favorite character in SW, but I think Vader is the better pilot. Wedge is hands down best rebel pilot, but Vader is best pilot in the Galaxy. It's like comparing Jordan to Lebron. Best player today vs greatest player ever. Lebron has no chance against Jordan.

In defense of Wedge, he didn't run away at Battle of Yavin, he was gonna stay and die for Luke, but Luke told him to get outta there as he couldn't do any more back there except die.

I just want to point out that Anakin crashed more ships than Wedge has probably ever flown. Anakin was reckless, which worked out sometimes and other times nearly killed him (and his friends). He has way more plot armor than Wedge ever did. My vote goes to Wedge for his controlled and considerate flying. Vader wins when he is lucky (plot armor).

Also Obi-wan was talking about fate when he denied luck as a factor. Fate is even more of a plot device than luck, so I wouldn't count that as a point towards Vader.

Of course Vader could always just reach out and crush wedges throat, so there is that. Drop one of the force blocking creatures in the 'backseat' though and Wedge wins via technical skill.

I think Anakin (and Obiwan) believed that one made their own luck. For Wedge, the ship is the weapon. For Anakin (and even more so when he becomes Vader) a ship is something to be used to obtain an objective. It does not matter what happens to the tool, so long as the job gets done. Vader felt this way about other lifeforms around him as well.

I'm gonna throw a wrench into the works, I've obviously got my man Wedge all day every day, but black squadron can't even hold a candle to Rogue Squadron.

That sounds like NEXT WEEK's Friday Fights!

But back to Vader vs. Wedge...

I will continue to back Vader because of Episode IV. Wedge ran away and was spared by Vader and his Black Squadron.

But lets face it, Vader missed. Every other pilot he destroyed, and with Luke and Wedge, he only managed to graze them non-lethally. And this was in a trench with NO maneuvering space. It was literally a turkey shoot.

BUT, Both luke and wedge had the power of the filmmakers on their side...

One on One I would give the edge to Vader, but he's not coming out of the battle unscathed.

He never does. He never does.

Still, I vote for Vader. Wedge is my favorite character in SW, but I think Vader is the better pilot. Wedge is hands down best rebel pilot, but Vader is best pilot in the Galaxy. It's like comparing Jordan to Lebron. Best player today vs greatest player ever. Lebron has no chance against Jordan.

In defense of Wedge, he didn't run away at Battle of Yavin, he was gonna stay and die for Luke, but Luke told him to get outta there as he couldn't do any more back there except die.

Soontir Fel couldn't compete with Vader for that title?

In defense of Wedge, he didn't run away at Battle of Yavin, he was gonna stay and die for Luke, but Luke told him to get outta there as he couldn't do any more back there except die.

No, Wedge was already gonna bail before Luke told him that.

"I'm hit! I can't stay with you!"

In defense of Wedge, he didn't run away at Battle of Yavin, he was gonna stay and die for Luke, but Luke told him to get outta there as he couldn't do any more back there except die.

No, Wedge was already gonna bail before Luke told him that.

"I'm hit! I can't stay with you!"

Poor Biggs...

I'm honestly surprised no one has defended Wedge with the whole two Deathstars thing...

My reply to this is, of course:

8 year old Vader thinks that's cute....

That my friend was dumb luck. And the prequels. And not technically Vader, as that was Anakin pre-Vader.

As defined by the rules, Anakin IS Vader and Vader is Anakin.

As for luck,

But back into the spirit of the thread, the Trade Federation control ship was no where near as heavily protected as the Death Stars. Wedge flying into the infrastructure of the DS2 is significantly more impressive then Kid Anakin flying into a relatively unprotected hangar, and shooting a power generator.

I don't know I can go along with that... Tarken didn't even launch a defense force against the Rebel fleet. They flew around only having to tend with turbo laser fire (which was inadequate against snub fighters). It wasn't until Vader and 7 TIE Fighters got into the mix that the Rebels even saw an opposition.

So 8 TIEs vs:

This is actually evidence that Black Squadron were gods amongst TIE pilots. They attacked a much larger force and inflicted casualties far in excess of their own numbers before being wiped out.

Consider: Turbolasers couldn't hit snub fighters, and Vader went out with only Black Squadron backing him up. We see Vader kill about 7 guys. The Imperials counted a total of 30 rebel fighters attacking them. We see 3 of them fly away. What happened to the rest? Black Squadron happened. The galaxy will never see their like again.

I'm honestly surprised no one has defended Wedge with the whole two Deathstars thing...

My reply to this is, of course:

8 year old Vader thinks that's cute....

That my friend was dumb luck. And the prequels. And not technically Vader, as that was Anakin pre-Vader.

As defined by the rules, Anakin IS Vader and Vader is Anakin.

As for luck,

But back into the spirit of the thread, the Trade Federation control ship was no where near as heavily protected as the Death Stars. Wedge flying into the infrastructure of the DS2 is significantly more impressive then Kid Anakin flying into a relatively unprotected hangar, and shooting a power generator.

I don't know I can go along with that... Tarken didn't even launch a defense force against the Rebel fleet. They flew around only having to tend with turbo laser fire (which was inadequate against snub fighters). It wasn't until Vader and 7 TIE Fighters got into the mix that the Rebels even saw an opposition.

So 8 TIEs vs:

This is actually evidence that Black Squadron were gods amongst TIE pilots. They attacked a much larger force and inflicted casualties far in excess of their own numbers before being wiped out.

Consider: Turbolasers couldn't hit snub fighters, and Vader went out with only Black Squadron backing him up. We see Vader kill about 7 guys. The Imperials counted a total of 30 rebel fighters attacking them. We see 3 of them fly away. What happened to the rest? Black Squadron happened. The galaxy will never see their like again.

HOORAH!

well Wedge became a General and commanded the best squadron in the galaxy. Vader got knocked out of combat by an indirect shot from a freighter.. seems his Jedi reflexes didn't help him in that situation. To be good one has to practice practice practice.... Vader didn't practice much compared to Wedge....Wedge even bested Corran Horn. Wedge was on an ascending trajectory combat performance wise. and he commanded some really good pilots most of whom would also best Vader in space combat IMHO.. However there are other pilots in the Empire that i think are better than Vader but i guess that is for next Friday??

If Vader has the TIE/x1 title upgrade, advanced sensors system upgrade, and engine upgrade modification then I would ABSOLUTELY give the 1-on-1 match to Vader ... if he is flown by a skilled player who understands arc dodging and how to use advanced sensors, barrel roll and boost to setup shots while arc dodging.

Advanced Sensors doesn't work with Vader.

well Wedge became a General and commanded the best squadron in the galaxy. Vader got knocked out of combat by an indirect shot from a freighter.. seems his Jedi reflexes didn't help him in that situation. To be good one has to practice practice practice.... Vader didn't practice much compared to Wedge....Wedge even bested Corran Horn. Wedge was on an ascending trajectory combat performance wise. and he commanded some really good pilots most of whom would also best Vader in space combat IMHO.. However there are other pilots in the Empire that i think are better than Vader but i guess that is for next Friday??

No, watch that scene again. Vader got knocked out by his own handpicked wingmate freaking out and crashing straight into him. It's not surprising he didn't see that coming.

And Vader didn't practice much? He's been flying since he was nine.

Wedge wins in X-wing, Vader wins in cannon.

Wedge wins in X-wing, Vader wins in cannon.

Agreed

Wedge wins in X-wing, Vader wins in cannon.

Agreed

seriosuly? I never hear about people playing wedge. he's good, but I hear about Vader alot more.

Wedge wins in X-wing, Vader wins in cannon.

But the TIE Advanced doesn't have a cannon slot.

Wedge wins in X-wing, Vader wins in cannon.

Agreed

seriosuly? I never hear about people playing wedge. he's good, but I hear about Vader alot more.

I play wedge occasionally. Pair him with outmaneuver and he's potent.

Wedge would win if the old EU was still a thing.

With out that Wedge is just a really good pilot (Wedge 2 : Death Stars 0) but Vader would rip him apart without a second thought.

Wedge wins in X-wing, Vader wins in cannon.

Agreed

seriosuly? I never hear about people playing wedge. he's good, but I hear about Vader alot more.

I play wedge occasionally. Pair him with outmaneuver and he's potent.

I took home a store championship with bb8 predator and IA, i suppose the 1 point init bid kinda was part of wedge too, pretty much guarantees wedge is always shooting with modifiers and he can avoid trouble when needed.

If Vader has the TIE/x1 title upgrade, advanced sensors system upgrade, and engine upgrade modification then I would ABSOLUTELY give the 1-on-1 match to Vader ... if he is flown by a skilled player who understands arc dodging and how to use advanced sensors, barrel roll and boost to setup shots while arc dodging.

Advanced Sensors doesn't work with Vader.

Yes it does. The title card gives you a Systems Upgrade slot. It doesn't say what you have to put in it. So theoretically you can put Advanced Sensors on Vader.

It only allows you to take a single action, you never get to take 2 actions because you pass that action phase with advanced sensors. You aren't moving the phase, you are allowed a single action before movement and then skipping your action phase, where Vader is granted two actions.

Back to the subject.

EU: Wedge

New Canon: Vader (Only slightly)

Corran horn even mentioned how both Tycho and Wedge were able to out fly the abilities of the force to predict, almost getting blown up due to it. That's while the imperial forces at the time had much great numbers to the Rogues, and corran being under cover at the time as a Imperial pilot.

Vader gets to show how BA he is now with rebels, so we can only hope to see something like that in rogue one for Wedge.

Wedge wins in X-wing, Vader wins in cannon.

Agreed

seriosuly? I never hear about people playing wedge. he's good, but I hear about Vader alot more.

I play wedge occasionally. Pair him with outmaneuver and he's potent.

idk dude, outmanuever is so redundant on Wedge, the number of ships it does nothing against is huge and grows every day. And it requires your opponent to ignore your biggest threat.

I took home a store championship with bb8 predator and IA, i suppose the 1 point init bid kinda was part of wedge too, pretty much guarantees wedge is always shooting with modifiers and he can avoid trouble when needed.

It would depend on who has initiative.

Obi Wan had never met Wedge when he called Anakin the best starfighter in the galaxy, nor did he add "in the history of ever, he was the bestest!".

In single combat, in game, for an roughly equal amount of squad points, I'd give it to Wedge.

Obi Wan had never met Wedge when he called Anakin the best starfighter in the galaxy, nor did he add "in the history of ever, he was the bestest!".

In single combat, in game, for an roughly equal amount of squad points, I'd give it to Wedge.

Darth Vader (29)

Predator (3)

Advanced Targeting Computer (1)

Engine Upgrade (4)

TIE/x1 (0)

Total: 37

Wedge Antilles (29)

Stay On Target (2)

BB-8 (2)

Engine Upgrade (4)

Total: 37

For 1 point more PtL of course.

Staying the same points I would use Lone Wolf on Wedge (in this case). Makes Wedge a beast.

Staying the same points I would use Lone Wolf on Wedge (in this case). Makes Wedge a beast.

I avoided Lone Wolf because it would feel a bit of a cheat. .

And with SoT you can barrel roll of BB-8 by showing a green two and still go anywhere on the dial to react. Then next turn you go green to clear the stress and can boost if needed.

I feel the Wedge fanboys just don't get it: Space Wizard! Force Choke! How do you out fly a guy who kills with his mind?