Mon monthma and 4 bette fleet with MC30 Forsight. Which would u choose?

If I can only pick one or the other, Chris, I go OE. (And I reroll all blank and single results but Dan thinks I'm an idiot for doing so.)

Ordnance Expert is a lot more reliable with Mon Mothma, APT gets more interesting with Dodonna

Out of curiosity, why not playing with the Admonition rather than Foresight if you're going for a Torpedo Frigate ? Rerolling at close range is not as useful, and you can make sure to discard an Evade to cancel a die.

If I can only pick one or the other, Chris, I go OE. (And I reroll all blank and single results but Dan thinks I'm an idiot for doing so.)

Bet it's glorious when it works though, right?

OE, definitely. OE without APT is still good; APT without OE is too unreliable on a ship that doesn't get a lot of close range shots.

Why not both?

Why not both?

Sometimes a man comes to the point where he must choose.

OE first, them APT if you can fit them.

Agree with the others that OE trumps APT. But they're both so good together....if you're short on points, I'd really suggest dropping the Foresight title, get both OE and APT, and add Lando. For one critical shot, he provides a good degree of survivability. Improves your firepower considerably, at a slight cost to your defenses. I'd take the tradeoff.

Agree with the others that OE trumps APT. But they're both so good together....if you're short on points, I'd really suggest dropping the Foresight title, get both OE and APT, and add Lando. For one critical shot, he provides a good degree of survivability. Improves your firepower considerably, at a slight cost to your defenses. I'd take the tradeoff.

With Mon Mothma, I'm not sure I'd go that far. Foresight is one hell of a title with Mon Mothma in the mix.

I have to say that I regretted not having OE in a few recent games, where bad dice and good use of tricks just stopped my APT from every triggering. So this Dan suggests OE if you have to pick one.
Obviously if you have screed.. this all changes
And ye.. foresight + mothma = amaze

Yeah, upon further review, I withdraw my advice. MM + Foresight really is awesome.

I would also ask if you are planning on slugging it out up close or trying to stay at red range most of the game until late and then punch someone's throat?

Both MC30 titles are awesome, but Admonition is better at medium and close range, or close range if you have Mon Mothma. I get that people balk at discarding defense tokens, but what makes that title awesome is spending then discarding. So at close range, where Foresight spends an evade (at close range) and you reroll 2, Admonition rerolls one and cancels one, which is better, especially if facing other shrimp or Gladiators or Raieders. I have saved myself many an ACM or APT because of that. Also, Admonition cannot be shut down by accuracies if you just need to cancel one die.

The main reason for this is Foresight's other power is useless against any ship rocking XI7s, which isn't so bad vs Gladiators or Raiders, but I see a ton of ISDs and most rebel ships tossing these on. I learned very fast that Shrimp don't want more than about four dice. And they also usually get 1-2, maybe 3 good rounds of attacks in before zipping away, so discarding tokens isn't as terrible as it seems. But, if you're staying at range most of the time, Foresight is a better choice because you don't have to spend tokens (I typically like to roll with both titles). I personally usually go with Admonition if I am only taking one MC30 because it is sort of better as an all comer, but that's only because I like to get close and stay close as long as I can.

TL;DR Foresight is better at long range and Admonition is better at close, so it might be worth thinking about where you are trying to engage most of the time.

Both MC30 titles are awesome, but Admonition is better at medium and close range, or close range if you have Mon Mothma. I get that people balk at discarding defense tokens, but what makes that title awesome is spending then discarding.

Wait, you can spend then discard the same token ? Or are you talking about using 2 different tokens ?

Yeah, you can spend the same token. So spend a redirect or evade, and then discard. You get the benefit of using the token as well as the benefit from Admonition, and only lose the one token.

You have a Readied Evade Token, with Mon Mothma, and you are at Medium Range.

Your enemy takes a shot.

You spend the Evade Token, Flupping it to Exhausted, and discarding a Die.

Then you Discard that Exhausted Token, to Discard a Die due to Admonition.

One Token. Two Dice.

It has been Spent, and then Discarded.

You could not do this if Admonition was a "Spend".

Dayum, that's pretty cool ! Way better than Foresight at close range.

Mon monthma and 4 bette fleet with MC30 Forsight.

I have no idea what this means.

I have no idea what this means.

bette = vette ?

Dayum, that's pretty cool ! Way better than Foresight at close range.

Admonition I think is quietly the better title, especially without Mon Mothma. Foresight pulls close when it can cancel at medium range. Admonition just refuses to die. Once those shields are gone, you can just toss the defense tokens out the door to for that extra round of survival. With Mon Mothma, you can force re-rolls of any double damage and then use those same evades to just cancel the remainder.

Dayum, that's pretty cool ! Way better than Foresight at close range.

Admonition I think is quietly the better title, especially without Mon Mothma. Foresight pulls close when it can cancel at medium range. Admonition just refuses to die. Once those shields are gone, you can just toss the defense tokens out the door to for that extra round of survival. With Mon Mothma, you can force re-rolls of any double damage and then use those same evades to just cancel the remainder.

Indeed, in essence it allows the use of a third defense token on top of Redirect + Evade. Paired with Lando this takes it to absolutely ridiculous survivability levels.

Dayum, that's pretty cool ! Way better than Foresight at close range.

Admonition I think is quietly the better title, especially without Mon Mothma. Foresight pulls close when it can cancel at medium range. Admonition just refuses to die. Once those shields are gone, you can just toss the defense tokens out the door to for that extra round of survival. With Mon Mothma, you can force re-rolls of any double damage and then use those same evades to just cancel the remainder.

I agree completely. Admonition is my go-to slugger, and I usually rock Lando with it. Foresight is of course also good, but less versatile in what it can effectively engage and trade blows with.

Don't forget that Willy Blistex is great on the Admonition too!

Don't forget that Willy Blistex is great on the Admonition too!

This is my preference as well, assuming I can afford it. I tend to reserve Lando for Foresight.

Don't forget that Willy Blistex is great on the Admonition too!

This is my preference as well, assuming I can afford it. I tend to reserve Lando for Foresight.

Ditto. As Ahsoka told Anakin in the otherwise forgetable Clone Wars movie, sometimes the best offense is a good defense.