Hardly unique, it's literally a lambda with more guns and wings added to it.

How facetious - and factually incorrect, given the XG-1 is a one-man starfighter, much smaller than the Lambda, has no transport capacity, carries missiles...

I'm assuming you object to every single TIE series model on the same principle? Or are you just a hypocrite?

Avenger was the official renaming because TIE Advanced belonged to the X series of experimental craft, specifically Vader's X1.

Even the most recent sources seem to say it's a nickname, not an official rename.

Starting this argument AGAIN, Ironlord?

Whether it's a nickname or not is irrelevant, it's a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SHIP to Vader's TIE Advanced.

You might as well have said the TIE/fo should have been a title. That would make more sense.

He's technically right, the variation model to Avengers is still TIE /ad. It's just that a book or one of the X-wing games introduced Avenger and stuck the name to it. Much like how the Defender is TIE /D along with the automated TIE Fighter being TIE /d.

Unfortunately I don't have my technical EU book anymore to see what's listed.

Hardly unique, it's literally a lambda with more guns and wings added to it.

How facetious - and factually incorrect, given the XG-1 is a one-man starfighter, much smaller than the Lambda, has no transport capacity, carries missiles...

I'm assuming you object to every single TIE series model on the same principle? Or are you just a hypocrite?

I don't object to it based on the fact that it isn't unique, I just don't understand how people can think it is. Also I do think most TIE designs with a few exceptions are pretty stupid, and/or lazy rehashes of other designs.

That said, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I think it's a crappy design, and looks ugly, and however many flashy pictures you show isn't going to change my mind.

Hardly unique, it's literally a lambda with more guns and wings added to it.

How facetious - and factually incorrect, given the XG-1 is a one-man starfighter, much smaller than the Lambda, has no transport capacity, carries missiles...

I'm assuming you object to every single TIE series model on the same principle? Or are you just a hypocrite?

I don't object to it based on the fact that it isn't unique, I just don't understand how people can think it is. Also I do think most TIE designs with a few exceptions are pretty stupid, and/or lazy rehashes of other designs.

That said, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I think it's a crappy design, and looks ugly, and however many flashy pictures you show isn't going to change my mind.

I said the same thing about every new ship in TFA.

I'm not a fan of any the new ships in TFA. The T-70 is an ok design, but it's definitely not anywhere near the top of my list of good starship designs.

Oh believe me, it took me a while to stop cringing at the /fo and /sf TIEs.

Would love to see the Ark Angel, along with associate crew members as upgrade cards. I haven't actually read any of the Darth Vader comics, but the ship just looks SO cool... And who wouldn't want to field a couple homicidal droids??

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/2/24/Ark_angel.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/500?cb=20150404060303

More Canon ships and fewer obscure and/or ugly EU ships,

More Canon ships and fewer obscure and/or ugly EU ships,

Lol, there are very few canon ships outside of the ****show kids' animations or the PT ships a lot of people are eluctant to bring out specifically because of the negative connotation associated to them.

That's my point, they have 3 untapped movies and 6 seasons of tv as well.

I could make a good list of ugly EU ships I never heard of before their appearance in this game (ships from galaxies often being the worst offenders IMO).

****show kids' animations

Clone Wars is definitely not for kids, unless you think it's okay for kids to see episodes on depression, beheadings, downright executions of wounded soldiers and the lot.

You might not like the style, but the content is for the most part great.

I wouldn't mind seeing clone wars era stuff, be it with the existing factions or by making new factions. If they made new factions maybe have it so we get a Jedi, Republic, and Separatist faction. With the Republic being a sub-faction like the Resistance and First Order but only for both the Rebels and the Empire, with the Rebels being able to use any ships that share names with their existing ships ("BTB" Y-wing and "Clone" Z-95) and the empire able to use the rest. The Jedi faction is its own but can pull from the Republic as its sub faction, this way they can use those ships but all the Jedi characters are limited to their own faction. Then just simply have it added to the faq that all astromechs are treated as "Rebel or Jedi Only" which allows them to have astromechs for both the Jedi and Republic factions, the republic needing to be acting as a sub faction to the rebels or Jedi, and they can even make new astromechs for the Republic and empire.

****show kids' animations

Clone Wars is definitely not for kids, unless you think it's okay for kids to see episodes on depression, beheadings, downright executions of wounded soldiers and the lot.

You might not like the style, but the content is for the most part great.

Edit: That went a little too far on my part.

I think kids should learn about depression at a younger age, but for the show itself, it's self whining, poorly written characters, bland story archs, and utterly awful animations that make me wonder what Lucas and Disney planned. Same goes for Rebels, and I'd still rather watch the 2003 cartoons.

There are pictures of clone trooper action figures set up for what a real military experience is like by a grunt. Clone Wars doesn't scratch combat ptsd or what the War is really costing everyone, or even a good combat scenario. It's a children's adventure in the Clone Wars.

You want great content, go watch Stargate or Farscape. Not watered down kids crap.

The Imperial Assault Gunboat is the only ship I'm still waiting on...

The problem with putting stuff from the Prequels an TCW (besides the massive hate they get), is that it's simply outdated. The Z-95 was cutting edge in the Clone Wars, but in this game, it's an old outdated piece of junk, saved by the fact you can mass assault with it. If the Z-95 is cutting edge, think of how weak other ships would be......

That said if FFG adds a scum V-wing balanced properly, I would be pretty happy.

Weren't Cloakshapes and Z-95s made before the Clone Wars?

I'd like to see the Recon X-wing/Y-wing and TIE Scout, /fc and Vanguards as support craft.

The problem with putting stuff from the Prequels an TCW (besides the massive hate they get), is that it's simply outdated. The Z-95 was cutting edge in the Clone Wars, but in this game, it's an old outdated piece of junk, saved by the fact you can mass assault with it.

TCW's Z-95 looks a bit different - it's a two-engined ship rather than 4 engined - and much slimmer.

If you go by the TPM novelization, there was something called a Z-95 back then, 10 years before the war - with an old spacer, in an argument about starfighters, saying "Given the choice, I'd take a Z-95 every time."

I'd still go by the old EU Z-95s. By that point, including it and whatever prequel ships as retrofitted scum craft or alternative Rebel/Imperial craft is suitable.

I never get the outdated or not outdated arguments. They often seem very hypocritical.

You often hear prequels ships that are 20-25 years old by the time of the OT are too outdated to be used in this game, yet TFA ships that are 30 years in the future are ok because of real world analogies to fighter craft.

I think TFA gets a pass because it's just new versions of tie fighters and x-wings. If they had been actual new designs, then you would have heard more outcries of they must be too advanced to use in this game.

The EU was notorious for rehashing old crap through a 60 year timeline. The katana dreadnoughts were lost for decades before Thrawn and Garm took them. It would be akin to South American Phantoms or Paki Patton tanks compared to Russian T-90s and American F-15s with the Stealth upgrades. Most of the people who dislike the PT ships dislike them for the designs or relation to the PT, much like people hate Legacy and the Vong despite the EU having more original designs than most of Lucas/Disney's rehashed garbage.

TFA ships are new ships based off of old designs. They just look identical, but everything about them is new, better alloys, stronger: propulsion systems, shields, weapons, reactors. The /sf TIE had missile launchers, that wasn't standard on Lines and Interceptors even if the /in's had modular weapon mounts on the chin. One of the reasons why I dislike the TFA TIEs is they're just too similar to the weakest design of fighter craft Sienar designed. It would be like America redesigning F-18's or F-16's after dumping the F-35 failure while Russia and China have better Sus.

Starspeeder 1000/3000 just cause?

I was thinking about this. If it were to be done, I would assume that it would be a Disney Parks Exclusive. The question is how do you field it? Obviously a Rebel card, but due to the lore of Star Tours after the Endor incident, you could have the ships as Scum.

The EU was notorious for rehashing old crap through a 60 year timeline. The katana dreadnoughts were lost for decades before Thrawn and Garm took them. It would be akin to South American Phantoms or Paki Patton tanks compared to Russian T-90s and American F-15s with the Stealth upgrades. Most of the people who dislike the PT ships dislike them for the designs or relation to the PT, much like people hate Legacy and the Vong despite the EU having more original designs than most of Lucas/Disney's rehashed garbage.

TFA ships are new ships based off of old designs. They just look identical, but everything about them is new, better alloys, stronger: propulsion systems, shields, weapons, reactors. The /sf TIE had missile launchers, that wasn't standard on Lines and Interceptors even if the /in's had modular weapon mounts on the chin. One of the reasons why I dislike the TFA TIEs is they're just too similar to the weakest design of fighter craft Sienar designed. It would be like America redesigning F-18's or F-16's after dumping the F-35 failure while Russia and China have better Sus.

Katana fleet might not be a great example, they were heavily armed and armored. If Germany and Britain had a chance to scoop up a bunch of WW1 dreadnoughts to supplement their WW2 fleets they definitely would especially if you were at a point where their fleets desperately needed the boost.. Even outdated ships would give you a ton of tactical flexibility.

That, and with star wars, a hull is often a hull. subject to much retrofitting. In game terms. ORS vs Han. Or TIE/LN vs TIE/FO.

The EU was notorious for rehashing old crap through a 60 year timeline. The katana dreadnoughts were lost for decades before Thrawn and Garm took them. It would be akin to South American Phantoms or Paki Patton tanks compared to Russian T-90s and American F-15s with the Stealth upgrades. Most of the people who dislike the PT ships dislike them for the designs or relation to the PT, much like people hate Legacy and the Vong despite the EU having more original designs than most of Lucas/Disney's rehashed garbage.

TFA ships are new ships based off of old designs. They just look identical, but everything about them is new, better alloys, stronger: propulsion systems, shields, weapons, reactors. The /sf TIE had missile launchers, that wasn't standard on Lines and Interceptors even if the /in's had modular weapon mounts on the chin. One of the reasons why I dislike the TFA TIEs is they're just too similar to the weakest design of fighter craft Sienar designed. It would be like America redesigning F-18's or F-16's after dumping the F-35 failure while Russia and China have better Sus.

Katana fleet might not be a great example, they were heavily armed and armored. If Germany and Britain had a chance to scoop up a bunch of WW1 dreadnoughts to supplement their WW2 fleets they definitely would especially if you were at a point where their fleets desperately needed the boost.. Even outdated ships would give you a ton of tactical flexibility.

I guess, but it is still semi-valid.

If the movies use the new eu, Ackbar and Mon Mothma mothballed much of the Republic Fleet. I'm curious as to how that plays out with the old Empire and TFO.