If I have a token from a previous turn and then two turns later I reveal a dial command that is the same as that saved token.

If I only use the dial command to add an extra yaw, increase/decrease speed by one. (or ad one attack die incase if it is a CF)

Do the saved token from the previous turn get spend as well, regardless if it didn't contribute to the action of the revealed command?

Or can I still keep it for later use? Say that you have a CF token already and you reveal a CF command, roll all the attack dice + the CF dice, and you get hits on all of them, and there is no need to re-roll, are you allowed to keep the CF token to be used in a following turn?

Despite I've played this game 21 times I'm still a little confused about this token stuff, when must they be spend together with a dial and when its allowed to refrain from spending a token, when a dial of the same type is used.

So please some one inlighten me

You are only ever forced to spend a token if something says you are (Such as a Nav Token by Tractor Beam, or by Ion Cannon batteries).

You always have the power to choose if you spend the Dial or the Token.

The only restriction is that if you want to spend both , you have to do both at the same time

Its totally legitimate (although questionable) to have, say, a Squadron Token... Reveal a Squadron Dial. Decide to use a Squadron Dial, not activate anyone, and then use the Squadron Token to activate only a Single Squadron.

Of course, its a bit of a waste...

But say, teh CF that you issued.

Entirely possible to have a CF token banked, add a Die with a Concentrate Fire Dial... State that you were not using the Token to Reroll anything, and... look at that, you keep your Token

You are only ever forced to spend a token if something says you are (Such as a Nav Token by Tractor Beam, or by Ion Cannon batteries).

You always have the power to choose if you spend the Dial or the Token.

The only restriction is that if you want to spend both , you have to do both at the same time

Its totally legitimate (although questionable) to have, say, a Squadron Token... Reveal a Squadron Dial. Decide to use a Squadron Dial, not activate anyone, and then use the Squadron Token to activate only a Single Squadron.

Of course, its a bit of a waste...

But say, teh CF that you issued.

Entirely possible to have a CF token banked, add a Die with a Concentrate Fire Dial... State that you were not using the Token to Reroll anything, and... look at that, you keep your Token

If I double arc an enemy ship:

In my first attack I use my CF dial and make hits with all my dice, rendering the use of the CF token I already have, kind of pointless.

Can I use the CF token in my second attack on the same ship???

Or must the CF token be spend together with the dial, because I intend to use both against the same "target"???

My understanding according to the rules is that you have to use the same type of token together with the dial. Otherwise you are "executing the same kind of command twice in an activation" in direct contravention of the rules. You either concentrate AND reroll OR just concentrate and save the token.

You are only ever forced to spend a token if something says you are (Such as a Nav Token by Tractor Beam, or by Ion Cannon batteries).

You always have the power to choose if you spend the Dial or the Token.

The only restriction is that if you want to spend both , you have to do both at the same time

Its totally legitimate (although questionable) to have, say, a Squadron Token... Reveal a Squadron Dial. Decide to use a Squadron Dial, not activate anyone, and then use the Squadron Token to activate only a Single Squadron.

Of course, its a bit of a waste...

But say, teh CF that you issued.

Entirely possible to have a CF token banked, add a Die with a Concentrate Fire Dial... State that you were not using the Token to Reroll anything, and... look at that, you keep your Token

If I double arc an enemy ship:

In my first attack I use my CF dial and make hits with all my dice, rendering the use of the CF token I already have, kind of pointless.

Can I use the CF token in my second attack on the same ship???

Or must the CF token be spend together with the dial, because I intend to use both against the same "target"???

Concentrate Fire must be spend on the same attack , otherwise you are doing a command twice.

If you declare it, and don't/can't use it... Its wasted. Bingo.

So from my above example I can wait to declare if I want to use the token in my first attack, if the attack is succesfull with hits all round including the CF dial die.

I can't use my token for the second attack, but I'm allowed to save it to be used in a following turn.

Technically you must declare the use of token and dial together, even fire cf. So you can't add a dice, then wait and see if you also want to use the token.

So from my above example I can wait to declare if I want to use the token in my first attack, if the attack is succesfull with hits all round including the CF dial die.

I can't use my token for the second attack, but I'm allowed to save it to be used in a following turn.

When you declare you're using the Concentrate Fire, you have to then specify what you are doing...

Will you Spend the Dial for an Extra Dice?

Will you Spend the Token for a Reroll?

Will you spend both a Dial and a Token for an Extra Die and a Reroll?

Because you can't do one, then wait and see - even on the same attack.

If you choose just the Dial, you forgo the use of your Token, and will keep it for the next turn.

If you choose the Token, its probably because you have a token, and didn't use the Dial.

If you choose the Dial and the Token, and subsequently roll the perfect dice , and don't use the token, you spent it, its gone.

^ This is one of the most ignored rules. Pay attention.

Thanks Drasnighta.

You made it much clear for me.

I asume the above example's you made for CF also apply to the other types of tokens.

Thanks Drasnighta.

You made it much clear for me.

I asume the above example's you made for CF also apply to the other types of tokens.

Indeed.

The Squadron and Engineering Tokens - The "Time" you choose what to do is immediately after you have Revealed the Dial .

The Navigate doesn't have to be done until its Determine Course step... But that's when you decide.

one point of contention that I got ruled against in a tournament:

You can wait to decide if you want to roll the extra CF die on a given attack. Since the CF dial says it affects the "modify dice" step in the attack stack you can wait till after you roll your pool to decide if you will roll the extra die in this arc or the next (at which point you would also have to declare for the token?) it seemed...wrong to me but seemed to hold up in the rules that were pointed out. I had always played that you decide if you will roll the extra when you gather your pool...

one point of contention that I got ruled against in a tournament:

You can wait to decide if you want to roll the extra CF die on a given attack. Since the CF dial says it affects the "modify dice" step in the attack stack you can wait till after you roll your pool to decide if you will roll the extra die in this arc or the next (at which point you would also have to declare for the token?) it seemed...wrong to me but seemed to hold up in the rules that were pointed out. I had always played that you decide if you will roll the extra when you gather your pool...

Nope, your TO was correct, you don't have to declare it till the modify dice step.

one point of contention that I got ruled against in a tournament:

You can wait to decide if you want to roll the extra CF die on a given attack. Since the CF dial says it affects the "modify dice" step in the attack stack you can wait till after you roll your pool to decide if you will roll the extra die in this arc or the next (at which point you would also have to declare for the token?) it seemed...wrong to me but seemed to hold up in the rules that were pointed out. I had always played that you decide if you will roll the extra when you gather your pool...

Nope, your TO was correct, you don't have to declare it till the modify dice step.

right, and that contradicts what Dras said above, no?

one point of contention that I got ruled against in a tournament:

You can wait to decide if you want to roll the extra CF die on a given attack. Since the CF dial says it affects the "modify dice" step in the attack stack you can wait till after you roll your pool to decide if you will roll the extra die in this arc or the next (at which point you would also have to declare for the token?) it seemed...wrong to me but seemed to hold up in the rules that were pointed out. I had always played that you decide if you will roll the extra when you gather your pool...

Nope, your TO was correct, you don't have to declare it till the modify dice step.

right, and that contradicts what Dras said above, no?

No, its an addenum to it as such.

You make the decision and declare at the appropriate time.

The appropriate time for the Concentrate Fire, is the Modify Dice step of an Attack...

You still need to decide on the Modify Dice step wether you're Adding (Dial), Rerolling (Token), or Adding AND Rerolling (Dial + Token).

But you can Add a dice before deciding on which dice to reroll...

^This people, this!