Attanni Mindlink

By spartan1128, in X-Wing

Of course, the REAL winners here are the A-Wings.

​Why? They get it in the same list as Jan Ors Crew (and have Target Lock, Boost, and a spare Elite Talent slot to boot)!

​Suddenly, 1 action = 2 tokens per ship. And Juke.

Except that it's probably stress and not evade.

Focused and Stressed are both more-or-less mental states. Makes much more sense for both the name of the card and the balance of the ability.

Then we laugh while firing on one of the ships with stresshog :P

Anyway, it is better balanced with stress, since it tempers the PTL abuse with it. That way, you won't PTL and stress the second ship if it's a heavy fighter with only a few green moves.

Edited by Giledhil

Of course, the REAL winners here are the A-Wings.

​Why? They get it in the same list as Jan Ors Crew (and have Target Lock, Boost, and a spare Elite Talent slot to boot)!

​Suddenly, 1 action = 2 tokens per ship. And Juke.

Except that it's probably stress and not evade.

Focused and Stressed are both more-or-less mental states. Makes much more sense for both the name of the card and the balance of the ability.

Stress is also used to represent the physical stress put on a ship when going through rough maneuvers.

I think focus and stress are more likely. You've an advantage and a disadvantage. If it was just positive actions, it would have to be priced pretty highly as a result.

If it is focus and stress, a bunch of mind-linked TIEs and Epsilon leader becomes interesting.

I don't think it needs to be highly expensive if it is focus/evade, because you have to buy it at least twice and have to spend multiple EPTS on it. 3 is certainly the maximum IMO, maybe 2.

If it is stress, then it is a charming upgrade that may find a niche, but will not see a lot of competitive play.

Push and Predator will continue to be dominant as they always have, either way. The evade possibility may bring it alongside newer choices like Crack Shot and Juke.

Basically, we don't know and we want that Punishing One Article.

I agree. Assigning stress with this card would pretty much kill it or limit it to a few number of ships that can handle stress well. However, those would probably rather run PTL. I think if its a 2 or 3 point upgrade than the focus or evade makes sense. You will be spending 4 or 6 points to make the interaction work.

I could still see Rexlar and Black Squad with Attani being a potential thing.

I don't think it needs to be highly expensive if it is focus/evade, because you have to buy it at least twice and have to spend multiple EPTS on it. 3 is certainly the maximum IMO, maybe 2.

If it's focus or evade, I'd expect 3-4 points. FFG has consistently priced extra actions with conditions or downsides at 3 points (PTL, EI, Dash crew, K4, etc.). This would potentially be more than one extra action per ship (with 3+ ships using it) and not much of a downside compared to e.g. the stress of PTL.

I don't think it needs to be highly expensive if it is focus/evade, because you have to buy it at least twice and have to spend multiple EPTS on it. 3 is certainly the maximum IMO, maybe 2.

If it's focus or evade, I'd expect 3-4 points. FFG has consistently priced extra actions with conditions or downsides at 3 points (PTL, EI, Dash crew, K4, etc.). This would potentially be more than one extra action per ship (with 3+ ships using it) and not much of a downside compared to e.g. the stress of PTL.

Personally I'd consider the fact that you have to buy it twice a pretty big downside.

I don't think it needs to be highly expensive if it is focus/evade, because you have to buy it at least twice and have to spend multiple EPTS on it. 3 is certainly the maximum IMO, maybe 2.

If it's focus or evade, I'd expect 3-4 points. FFG has consistently priced extra actions with conditions or downsides at 3 points (PTL, EI, Dash crew, K4, etc.). This would potentially be more than one extra action per ship (with 3+ ships using it) and not much of a downside compared to e.g. the stress of PTL.

Personally I'd consider the fact that you have to buy it twice a pretty big downside.

Both pilots get the benefit, though. If you buy PTL twice, that's two extra actions per turn (plus two stress). Buy Attanni twice and it's also two extra actions per turn -- one pilot gets a free focus and the other gets a free evade. If you buy Attanni three times, it can actually be four extra actions per turn -- two free focuses and two free evades.

The more I think about it, the more I think it will be Focus and Stress with a must instead of Focus and Evade with a may.

The Focus and Stress version can be a zero or one point EPT. Adding it to more pilots has limited benefits as it is only giving a single token (unless you've got a way to get focus tokens during the combat phase) and the more pilots you have it on, the more potentially limiting the shared stress will be. Two or three ships is probably the sweet spot for this with some specific squads that go beyond that.

The Focus and Evade version has the potential for some broken combos (especially with A-Wings that can take PTL as well) and makes it easy to get Evade tokens on ships that weren't really meant to have them. This would have to be a more expensive EPT to keep it under control but that it will probably be expensive enough that people will prefer Predator or PTL to have an EPT that they know will be of use in the end game.

The more I think about it, the more I think it will be Focus and Stress with a must instead of Focus and Evade with a may.

The Focus and Stress version can be a zero or one point EPT. Adding it to more pilots has limited benefits as it is only giving a single token (unless you've got a way to get focus tokens during the combat phase) and the more pilots you have it on, the more potentially limiting the shared stress will be. Two or three ships is probably the sweet spot for this with some specific squads that go beyond that.

The Focus and Evade version has the potential for some broken combos (especially with A-Wings that can take PTL as well) and makes it easy to get Evade tokens on ships that weren't really meant to have them. This would have to be a more expensive EPT to keep it under control but that it will probably be expensive enough that people will prefer Predator or PTL to have an EPT that they know will be of use in the end game.

Even the focus/stress version will allow ships to be double focused easily. It will, in most cases, only end up leaving 1 or 2 ships double focused though since the first ship to activate with mindlink won't get it, only the ships afterwards and that perform a focus action.

I don't think it needs to be highly expensive if it is focus/evade, because you have to buy it at least twice and have to spend multiple EPTS on it. 3 is certainly the maximum IMO, maybe 2.

If it's focus or evade, I'd expect 3-4 points. FFG has consistently priced extra actions with conditions or downsides at 3 points (PTL, EI, Dash crew, K4, etc.). This would potentially be more than one extra action per ship (with 3+ ships using it) and not much of a downside compared to e.g. the stress of PTL.

Personally I'd consider the fact that you have to buy it twice a pretty big downside.

Both pilots get the benefit, though. If you buy PTL twice, that's two extra actions per turn (plus two stress). Buy Attanni twice and it's also two extra actions per turn -- one pilot gets a free focus and the other gets a free evade. If you buy Attanni three times, it can actually be four extra actions per turn -- two free focuses and two free evades.

But Hey, you're probably right.

Imagine it's not a stress in the hidden meaning, but rather a CLOAK token. Game would go insane.

Gotta run a list with Kyle (w/ Jan Crew), Garven, Airen and Jake all with Mind-Link. Every game would be a draw because you'd spend so long trying to figure out what happens when.

On a more serious note, R5-P9 ships could get some mileage out of this card.

Imagine it's not a stress in the hidden meaning, but rather a CLOAK token. Game would go insane.

Personally, I've put my money on a Reinforce token.

Of course, the REAL winners here are the A-Wings.

​Why? They get it in the same list as Jan Ors Crew (and have Target Lock, Boost, and a spare Elite Talent slot to boot)!

​Suddenly, 1 action = 2 tokens per ship. And Juke.

Except that it's probably stress and not evade.

Focused and Stressed are both more-or-less mental states. Makes much more sense for both the name of the card and the balance of the ability.

Then we laugh while firing on one of the ships with stresshog :P

Anyway, it is better balanced with stress, since it tempers the PTL abuse with it. That way, you won't PTL and stress the second ship if it's a heavy fighter with only a few green moves.

Hey, as long a the A-Wing player is prepared it's not all that different from PTL'ing his entire squad.

Any list that can double or triple stress a linker would be brutal, though.

Of course, the REAL winners here are the A-Wings.

​Why? They get it in the same list as Jan Ors Crew (and have Target Lock, Boost, and a spare Elite Talent slot to boot)!

​Suddenly, 1 action = 2 tokens per ship. And Juke.

Except that it's probably stress and not evade.

Focused and Stressed are both more-or-less mental states. Makes much more sense for both the name of the card and the balance of the ability.

Then we laugh while firing on one of the ships with stresshog :P

Anyway, it is better balanced with stress, since it tempers the PTL abuse with it. That way, you won't PTL and stress the second ship if it's a heavy fighter with only a few green moves.

Hey, as long a the A-Wing player is prepared it's not all that different from PTL'ing his entire squad.

Any list that can double or triple stress a linker would be brutal, though.

The guesses for the text of mindlink are generally asuming it ends with "unless you already have one", in which case double/triple stress would still only be really bad for the one that took the attack. The rest of hte ships would only end up with 1 stress token, which again is no worse than PTL.

Sorry to resurrect an older thread in the midst of what must surely be many other new ones on this topic, but I think the dreams died on this one ...

Stress, not evade. (Big props to whoever guessed that one first.)

MUST, not may.

And condition: "if it does NOT already have one." So no reciprocal double-focus ability.

On the plus side, it's just 1 point!

EDIT: Oh yeah, and they changed it after the preview image, so now it's got the extra line: Scum only.

Edited by PaulTiberius

It's exactly what I expected... except that they added "Scum only" since the early preview. I'm not sure there are any scum ships I'd consider it worthwhile on -- I really wanted to use it with TIE defenders.

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Might be a nice fit on generics, like the Mandalorian Mercenaries, or Black Sun Aces.

It's not without its risks, but who would want that.

Apologies to the gent I said was foolish for believing the upgrade was scum only.

:(

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Might be a nice fit on generics, like the Mandalorian Mercenaries, or Black Sun Aces.

It's not without its risks, but who would want that.

generally, lists that can "do okay" while stressed, don't care about actions and/or arcs.. maybe a lot of hwks and a jumpy (manaroo? (sp?!))? I don't know.. doesn't seem to tempting to me.

also: stresshog cackles like a maniac right next to me. it's quite disgusting ;)

Edited by WokeUpDead

Stresshog will wonder where R3-A2 went after Boba is done with it.

Only one member of the link needs to be able to take an action. Red manuevers are fine if the last ship does a green and doesnt bump. This will be awesome. I dont have a ship in mind yet. Scyk, kihraz, firespray, all meh on first thought. Maybe it is better for aces?