I'm curious if Attani Mindlink is another dual upgrade card. Maybe the opposite side has similar language but with target locks. Just spitballing.

I doubt it will be. There's no Dual Upgrade rules card shown in the spread.

Another restriction I could envision for this card is limiting it to two copies per squad, which would fit the lore of the Attanni.

Brobots?

Edit: if you take C and both ships boost that turn they'll get double Evades.

Doesn't work. IG-88C says you get a free evade action not assign a token and you can't do the same action twice in a turn. Designers done some designing there.

It actually DOES work if you use the wording in the OP. OPs suggestion for the text on mind link is when one is assigned a token, assign a token to the other as well. The Evade Action has the effect of assigning you an evade token. So the first IG moves, does his boost, gets a free evade action (assign evade to second as well). Second IG does his boost, does a free evade action (because he was only assigned a token, didn't have to do action) and assigns a token back to the first.

That interaction alone is enough to tell me the OP is probably wrong about the exact wording...

Brobots?

Edit: if you take C and both ships boost that turn they'll get double Evades.

Doesn't work. IG-88C says you get a free evade action not assign a token and you can't do the same action twice in a turn. Designers done some designing there.

It actually DOES work if you use the wording in the OP. OPs suggestion for the text on mind link is when one is assigned a token, assign a token to the other as well. The Evade Action has the effect of assigning you an evade token. So the first IG moves, does his boost, gets a free evade action (assign evade to second as well). Second IG does his boost, does a free evade action (because he was only assigned a token, didn't have to do action) and assigns a token back to the first.

That interaction alone is enough to tell me the OP is probably wrong about the exact wording...

This doesn't work because the text according to the theory "...unless it already has one." The interaction would be the first IG would take an evade which would give it to the other. The other would take an evade and end up double evaded but it would not give another evade token to the first.

If its Focus and Stress (my theory), then Keyan Farlander would be a very interesting choice. He could potentially team with an A-Wing pilot to gain Focus tokens for defense while also gaining Stress tokens for his attack. Add Hera as a crew member, and he'll retain his full dial. It would also lead to some interesting interactions where you could have two pilots of equal PS. One of them could move and do a normal focus action, granting them both focus tokens, and then the other could execute a red maneuver.

You'd probably want to give Keyan Jan Ors crew in that example so he can get an Evade token for defense instead.

I think this (focus and stress) would be a more interesting EPT and one that could be kept cheap enough to be used on generics with EPTs. A built in limitation like that could also keep the card from getting out of hand. Of course the card would also need to be mandatory.

**** shame that it is an EPT. It would be great on pilots like Laetin and Kir Kanos.

Brobots?

Edit: if you take C and both ships boost that turn they'll get double Evades.

Doesn't work. IG-88C says you get a free evade action not assign a token and you can't do the same action twice in a turn. Designers done some designing there.

It actually DOES work if you use the wording in the OP. OPs suggestion for the text on mind link is when one is assigned a token, assign a token to the other as well. The Evade Action has the effect of assigning you an evade token. So the first IG moves, does his boost, gets a free evade action (assign evade to second as well). Second IG does his boost, does a free evade action (because he was only assigned a token, didn't have to do action) and assigns a token back to the first.

That interaction alone is enough to tell me the OP is probably wrong about the exact wording...

This doesn't work because the text according to the theory "...unless it already has one." The interaction would be the first IG would take an evade which would give it to the other. The other would take an evade and end up double evaded but it would not give another evade token to the first.

Ahh, missed that unless. Still, even 1 IG getting 2 evade tokens and both likely having 1-2 focus as well is reather scary..

Is there any top tier list that would get significantly better with this? It seems like it would mostly benefit ships that aren't flown as often to me. A-wings, non-Corran E-wings and Interceptors<PS8 with an ept.

It'll depend on how its worded.

If its Focus and Evades (I don't think its the case), then Vader is a clear choice for it on the Imperial side. EPT Interceptors would also be pretty strong with it. For Scum, both of the named StarViper pilots would pair well with either a Scyk or Mist Hunter, as they'd get some much needed evade access.

If its Focus and Stress (my theory), then Keyan Farlander would be a very interesting choice. He could potentially team with an A-Wing pilot to gain Focus tokens for defense while also gaining Stress tokens for his attack. Add Hera as a crew member, and he'll retain his full dial. It would also lead to some interesting interactions where you could have two pilots of equal PS. One of them could move and do a normal focus action, granting them both focus tokens, and then the other could execute a red maneuver.

If its when you both add and remove, then it seriously limits the value of the Focus tokens when used en mass, but it also could add interesting ways to clear stress from a ship that hasn't moved yet, freeing them up to do another stressful maneuver.

So if you're running Vader and a couple interceptors with filler and I just kill Vader you have naked interceptors, right? That seems like a big enough downside to allow focus and evade to me. I guess it just really depends on the cost.

The card does create "linchpin" squadrons where 1 ship serves as the single point of failure for the entire squadron. Interesting mechanic that we don't see very often except in a few Rebel synergy builds.

Pretty sure OP has this one almost word for word. I don't see this costing over 3 points. If you think about it, it acts a lot like Comm Relay does, which is 3 points. And it takes up a much more important upgrade slot as an EPT. On that note... Might not be bad on some Tie/FOs, like Omega Ace. Although he's not great, getting combos that give him that TL+ Focus is pretty fancy.

"Attanni

Mindlink"

"Each time you are assigned

a focus or evade token

each other ship with

Attanni Mindlink may

be assigned the same type

of token unless it

already has one."

"Attanni

Mindlink"

"Each time you spent

a focus or evade token

each other ship with

Attanni Mindlink may

be assigned the same type

of token unless it

already has one."

I'm curious if Attani Mindlink is another dual upgrade card. Maybe the opposite side has similar language but with target locks. Just spitballing.

I doubt it will be. There's no Dual Upgrade rules card shown in the spread.

Notice there are NO rules cards in the spread. Large ships include a rule booklet that explains all special rules. Still no evidence at all to support the idea that they are dual sided but they could be.

Is there any top tier list that would get significantly better with this? It seems like it would mostly benefit ships that aren't flown as often to me. A-wings, non-Corran E-wings and Interceptors<PS8 with an ept.

It'll depend on how its worded.

If its Focus and Evades (I don't think its the case), then Vader is a clear choice for it on the Imperial side. EPT Interceptors would also be pretty strong with it. For Scum, both of the named StarViper pilots would pair well with either a Scyk or Mist Hunter, as they'd get some much needed evade access.

If its Focus and Stress (my theory), then Keyan Farlander would be a very interesting choice. He could potentially team with an A-Wing pilot to gain Focus tokens for defense while also gaining Stress tokens for his attack. Add Hera as a crew member, and he'll retain his full dial. It would also lead to some interesting interactions where you could have two pilots of equal PS. One of them could move and do a normal focus action, granting them both focus tokens, and then the other could execute a red maneuver.

If its when you both add and remove, then it seriously limits the value of the Focus tokens when used en mass, but it also could add interesting ways to clear stress from a ship that hasn't moved yet, freeing them up to do another stressful maneuver.

So if you're running Vader and a couple interceptors with filler and I just kill Vader you have naked interceptors, right? That seems like a big enough downside to allow focus and evade to me. I guess it just really depends on the cost.

No, you have two Interceptors with Attani Mindlink. If it works on evade and focus tokens and gives them out when assigned then you've got 2 Interceptors with Focus+Evade without getting stress from PTL.

I'm curious if Attani Mindlink is another dual upgrade card. Maybe the opposite side has similar language but with target locks. Just spitballing.

I doubt it will be. There's no Dual Upgrade rules card shown in the spread.

Notice there are NO rules cards in the spread. Large ships include a rule booklet that explains all special rules. Still no evidence at all to support the idea that they are dual sided but they could be.

The Mist Hunter is pictured with a Dual Upgrade rule card. The Ghost is pictured with 3 rules cards (The Aggressor and the Falcon also came with rules cards, I haven't checked any of the other Large ships). So we know that there is a Dual Upgrade rules card and that Large ships come with rules cards. If the Punishing One was going to come with Dual Upgrade cards it would have the rule card in the spread.

Just gonna refresh everyone's memory on this little thing I did a few months ago... red text conjectural. Note how well the text aligns with the glimpse of the upgrade card.

I think it will be focus or stress, though what we can see isn't enough to let us tell the difference. Also, I'm pretty sure it will only apply to other friendly ships. The wording fits better with "friendly ship", too:

Attanni Mind Link

Each time you are assigned

a focus or stress token,

each other friendly ship with

Attanni Mind Link must also

be assigned the same type

of token unless it

already has one.

With that version it would probably be pretty cheap -- maybe 1 point. I'd use it for triple defenders (Vessery + 2x Glaive), but it wouldn't become the new crazy EPT that everyone is using.

So if you're running Vader and a couple interceptors with filler and I just kill Vader you have naked interceptors, right? That seems like a big enough downside to allow focus and evade to me. I guess it just really depends on the cost.

No, you have two Interceptors with Attani Mindlink. If it works on evade and focus tokens and gives them out when assigned then you've got 2 Interceptors with Focus+Evade without getting stress from PTL.

If it's only 2 points 4xSabers w/AT+Mindlink could be a fun little squad.

I think it will be focus or stress, though what we can see isn't enough to let us tell the difference. Also, I'm pretty sure it will only apply to other friendly ships. The wording fits better with "friendly ship", too:

Attanni Mind Link

Each time you are assigned

a focus or stress token,

each other friendly ship with

Attanni Mind Link must also

be assigned the same type

of token unless it

already has one.

With that version it would probably be pretty cheap -- maybe 1 point. I'd use it for triple defenders (Vessery + 2x Glaive), but it wouldn't become the new crazy EPT that everyone is using.

Good call on "focus or stress" and use of "must". That seems a lot less broken. I would hope it would also be cheap.

So if you're running Vader and a couple interceptors with filler and I just kill Vader you have naked interceptors, right? That seems like a big enough downside to allow focus and evade to me. I guess it just really depends on the cost.

No, you have two Interceptors with Attani Mindlink. If it works on evade and focus tokens and gives them out when assigned then you've got 2 Interceptors with Focus+Evade without getting stress from PTL.

If it's only 2 points 4xSabers w/AT+Mindlink could be a fun little squad.

If it's only 1 point you could go with:

Talonbane w/Cloaking Device+Mindlink

2 x TPV w/title, Mangler, and Mindlink

Serrisu w/Mindlink

That gives both TPVs Focus+Evade, Talonbane gets Focus+Evade+TL, and Serrisu gets Focus+Evade+Evade

I kind of doubt that it will only be 1 point (unless it is the Focus+Stress version that has been mentioned).

So if you're running Vader and a couple interceptors with filler and I just kill Vader you have naked interceptors, right? That seems like a big enough downside to allow focus and evade to me. I guess it just really depends on the cost.

No, you have two Interceptors with Attani Mindlink. If it works on evade and focus tokens and gives them out when assigned then you've got 2 Interceptors with Focus+Evade without getting stress from PTL.

If it's only 2 points 4xSabers w/AT+Mindlink could be a fun little squad.

Please please please please please!

It's interesting to me that with this interpretation of the card you want lower PS pilots with it so the higher PS pilots can either double up on tokens or do some repositioning without loosing tokens.

Wouldn't 'stress' token really screw this up?

If your lower PS pilot K-turns, and you hand a stress token to your ace. Now he reveals his red maneuver and your opponent is selecting your dial? Point is -- you'd probably see a few more of these 'whoops' moments.

It's interesting to me that with this interpretation of the card you want lower PS pilots with it so the higher PS pilots can either double up on tokens or do some repositioning without loosing tokens.

That or ships at the same PS so you get to decide which one doubles up on tokens.

I think it's a nice trade off on guys like Vader. He really benefits from it in the early parts of the game but can suffer as a closer if he takes it over an EPT that doesn't require other ships on the board to function..

And...now you know why there's no previews.... Everything is halted until this card gets corrected or removed.

Wouldn't 'stress' token really screw this up?

If your lower PS pilot K-turns, and you hand a stress token to your ace. Now he reveals his red maneuver and your opponent is selecting your dial? Point is -- you'd probably see a few more of these 'whoops' moments.

Play better?

Wouldn't 'stress' token really screw this up?

If your lower PS pilot K-turns, and you hand a stress token to your ace. Now he reveals his red maneuver and your opponent is selecting your dial? Point is -- you'd probably see a few more of these 'whoops' moments.

That seems to be a strong argument against the stress idea. I could see it going either way.