So I know costs are involved and all but is it really that much more expensive to ship products via plane? I mean honestly I would gladly pay an extra dollar or 2 per expansion to offset the cost of using a plane. I mean it already takes long enough as it is to get through customs so why tack on the more time to swim across the ocean. Sort of joking and sort of serious here since this wave is taking foorrreevvveeerrr. All waves take forever I guess except the secret FA wave haha. Anyways will ffg use planes ever?!!

You obviously have no idea of the cost of air transport vs ships, especially in the high volumes FFG uses.

Weight isn't the issue, the miniatures weigh next to nothing, but they do require a lot of volume and then the costs rise astronomically.

Stop whining about how long it takes, it's been hardly three months since they first went to the factory.

Do you want to pay 3 times more over msrp?

The difference really is that big. Boats are extremely economical.

Clearly you don't know the costs. I mean, you just need to see the standard boat used to transport goods to understand just how much they can bring over in a single boat.

And then compare it to the planes UPS/FedEx uses.

Maybe a container or two were lost at see, that happens every day worldwide, after all.

So, I don't have a source i can cite, but I've heard that it's cheaper for Scotland to catch a bunch of fish, ship them to China to be cleaned and canned or whatever they do, then shipped back to Scotland, than it is to just catch them and can them in the home country. If true, that is a perfect example of how much cheaper naval shipping is.

So, I don't have a source i can cite, but I've heard that it's cheaper for Scotland to catch a bunch of fish, ship them to China to be cleaned and canned or whatever they do, then shipped back to Scotland, than it is to just catch them and can them in the home country. If true, that is a perfect example of how much cheaper naval shipping is.

Or how blatantly awful the tax policy and union burden can be

because cleaning and canning in Scotland can be simply too expensive

But still, a goddamn TANKER takes a couple of weeks to cross the ocean, maybe FFG Boat is a barge that's propelled by rowers?

In all fairness, I think this wave has actually taken longer than others. The initial article did have an ETA of fourth quarter 2015. And that was the article dated July 31. The slightly annoying aspect is they included the TIE/fo and the T-70 X-wing as "part" of Wave VIII, and those are already available.

So I know costs are involved and all but is it really that much more expensive to ship products via plane?

Yes, it really is.

Do you want to pay 3 times more over msrp?

I'd guess more like 4 times.

In all fairness, I think this wave has actually taken longer than others.

Longer than some others, but not all. There was that wave (last year, year before? that got hung up on Chinese New Year (which just started) that was something like 6 months later than they had originally said. fortunately, anything that is on the boat now shouldn't get hung up on that this year.

So, I don't have a source i can cite, but I've heard that it's cheaper for Scotland to catch a bunch of fish, ship them to China to be cleaned and canned or whatever they do, then shipped back to Scotland, than it is to just catch them and can them in the home country. If true, that is a perfect example of how much cheaper naval shipping is.

Or how little Chinese workers are paid...

Or both...

Realistically air freight shouldn't even be a thing.

For that matter non rail-to-road shipping.

Look at a letter mailed from New York City to Los Angeles. What the going to cost less than a buck to send it and it would take like a week. Air mailing that same letter is like 15 Dollars. You do the math.

In all fairness, I think this wave has actually taken longer than others. The initial article did have an ETA of fourth quarter 2015. And that was the article dated July 31.

And midway through october certain models were waiting on licensor approval. Even if they received that during Spiel that would mean, at the earliest, a go for the factories beginning of November? Start manufacturing and packing, say two months, if the factories can start immediately and you don't have to wait for production slots. And then transport and distribution.

In all fairness, I think this wave has actually taken longer than others. The initial article did have an ETA of fourth quarter 2015. And that was the article dated July 31.

And midway through october certain models were waiting on licensor approval. Even if they received that during Spiel that would mean, at the earliest, a go for the factories beginning of November? Start manufacturing and packing, say two months, if the factories can start immediately and you don't have to wait for production slots. And then transport and distribution.

They were put into "ON DA BOAT" status somewhere at the beginning of November, so it's logical to assume they got licensing approval at that point.

Ships can have something like 13000 containers on one of the larger barges. Compare how many planes you would need for the same amounts of goods.

Apart from the monetary cost, is also the carbondioxid usage per ton goods transported sooo much smaller for ships.

In all fairness, I think this wave has actually taken longer than others. The initial article did have an ETA of fourth quarter 2015. And that was the article dated July 31.

And midway through october certain models were waiting on licensor approval. Even if they received that during Spiel that would mean, at the earliest, a go for the factories beginning of November? Start manufacturing and packing, say two months, if the factories can start immediately and you don't have to wait for production slots. And then transport and distribution.

They were put into "ON DA BOAT" status somewhere at the beginning of November, so it's logical to assume they got licensing approval at that point.

When I saw the models at Spiel they hadn't yet received the approval.

In all fairness, I think this wave has actually taken longer than others. The initial article did have an ETA of fourth quarter 2015. And that was the article dated July 31.

And midway through october certain models were waiting on licensor approval. Even if they received that during Spiel that would mean, at the earliest, a go for the factories beginning of November? Start manufacturing and packing, say two months, if the factories can start immediately and you don't have to wait for production slots. And then transport and distribution.

They were put into "ON DA BOAT" status somewhere at the beginning of November, so it's logical to assume they got licensing approval at that point.

Wave 8 on the boat was december 17th, by the way.

Maybe a container or two were lost at see, that happens every day worldwide, after all.

I wish one of those containers landed on the beach where I live... Oh man.... I finally could play a descent epic game

And offcourse i would sent all you guys a free expansion. By boat offcourse, because otherwise its way too expensive

Wave 8 on the boat was december 17th, by the way.

If that is the case then it's barely even late now. Despite what the website says, you got to figure 8 weeks for "On the Boat", which means there is still another week or two before they start shipping.

Even if Warpman was right and it was mid November, the wave is still only a couple weeks later than the fastest you can reasonably hope for.

In all fairness, I think this wave has actually taken longer than others. The initial article did have an ETA of fourth quarter 2015. And that was the article dated July 31.

And midway through october certain models were waiting on licensor approval. Even if they received that during Spiel that would mean, at the earliest, a go for the factories beginning of November? Start manufacturing and packing, say two months, if the factories can start immediately and you don't have to wait for production slots. And then transport and distribution.

They were put into "ON DA BOAT" status somewhere at the beginning of November, so it's logical to assume they got licensing approval at that point.

Wave 8 on the boat was december 17th, by the way.

Double-checked that.

I stand corrected,

At the printer on the 2nd of November, not on da boat.

still it seems that the schedule was shaken by the mouse and it's desire to pump the TFA products faster than lightspeed to the shelves

A perfect example is the magnetic game mats mentioned in a previous thread. Not a massively heavy product, but fairly bulky in transport. Domestic US shipping was a thoroughly reasonable $15, but shipping to the UK was an utterly unreasonable $85 (not at all the seller's fault). That's the difference air freight charges make, and that's not even a difficult transport route (US to UK flights would be direct, and also served internally by most freight company's own fleets, further reducing overhead). China to US has stopovers and transfers, hubs and reroutes. You can literally add another 75-100% to that price, minimum.

The other factor is sheer bulk of a factory order. It's massively more economical to put ten containers on a ship, than ten flights, for the sake of a couple of weeks lead time.

Not only shipping time but also dock inspections, dock unloading, loading onto freight trains and train travel. A lot of hands touch our ships before tjey hit the black. I wish it was faster too. But, oceanic shipping is the most efficient means possible. Oh, and don't get me started on the distribution once it hits the States. Lordy. Best I can recommend is pick up your visual scanning and accelerate to attack speed. Everything else will fall into your sights as it is meant to.

In all fairness, I think this wave has actually taken longer than others. The initial article did have an ETA of fourth quarter 2015. And that was the article dated July 31.

And midway through october certain models were waiting on licensor approval. Even if they received that during Spiel that would mean, at the earliest, a go for the factories beginning of November? Start manufacturing and packing, say two months, if the factories can start immediately and you don't have to wait for production slots. And then transport and distribution.

They were put into "ON DA BOAT" status somewhere at the beginning of November, so it's logical to assume they got licensing approval at that point.

Wave 8 on the boat was december 17th, by the way.

Double-checked that.

I stand corrected,

At the printer on the 2nd of November, not on da boat.

still it seems that the schedule was shaken by the mouse and it's desire to pump the TFA products faster than lightspeed to the shelves

Yeah, or just that Disney (you are able to type that I assume?) and FFG had finished all details much earlier than for wave 8.

Six weeks to arrange for worldwide distribution.

In all fairness, I think this wave has actually taken longer than others. The initial article did have an ETA of fourth quarter 2015. And that was the article dated July 31.

And midway through october certain models were waiting on licensor approval. Even if they received that during Spiel that would mean, at the earliest, a go for the factories beginning of November? Start manufacturing and packing, say two months, if the factories can start immediately and you don't have to wait for production slots. And then transport and distribution.

They were put into "ON DA BOAT" status somewhere at the beginning of November, so it's logical to assume they got licensing approval at that point.

Wave 8 on the boat was december 17th, by the way.

Double-checked that.

I stand corrected,

At the printer on the 2nd of November, not on da boat.

still it seems that the schedule was shaken by the mouse and it's desire to pump the TFA products faster than lightspeed to the shelves

Yeah, or just that Disney (you are able to type that I assume?) and FFG had finished all details much earlier than for wave 8.

Six weeks to arrange for worldwide distribution.

I can't spell it correctly after they made TFA into "New new hope awakens"

But the point stays the same: the wave is a bit late (it's first quarter of 2016 already, not 4th quarter of 2015)