Feedback array and NEW Blinded Pilot

By MattM, in X-Wing Rules Questions

FAQ Pg 6:

"Blinded Pilot Damage Card

A ship with a weapons disabled token or overlapping an asteroid does not get an opportunity to attack during the Combat phase and therefore cannot turn Blinded Pilot facedown."

That's the newer entry that specifies a ship on an asteroid does not get an opportunity. It's that entry that has cast a little grey area into the mix and is making the grey matter spin.

You can use Feedback Array while you're touching another ship, OR you can use it while you're overlapping an asteroid, OR you can use it while you have the Blinded Pilot card, but can you use it while you're overlapping an asteroid AND when you have the Blinded Pilot card.

I think maybe yes, but it's not going to clear the Blinded Pilot card, is it? Am I following the right reasoning here?

RRG, pg. 14

"Asteroid: The ship must skip its “Perform Action” step this round. After skipping the “Perform Action” step, it rolls one attack die. On a [HIT] result, the ship suffers one damage; on a [CRIT] result, it suffers one critical damage. While a ship is overlapping an asteroid, it cannot perform any attacks."

Nothing there says that the ship loses it's opportunity to attack. It just prohibits the ship from making an attack. You still get to the opportunity to attack trigger, you just don't have any valid choices if you don't have something like Feedback Array.

FAQ, pg. 3:

"A ship with a weapons disabled token cannot perform attacks".

I don't see anything here about skipping your opportunity to attack either. If there was ship that could SLAM and have a Feedback Array, there's no reason it couldn't SLAM and use Feedback Array in the same round.

FAQ P6 "Blinded pilot"

"a ship with a weapons disabled token or overlapping an asteroid does not get an opportunity to attack during the Combat phase". (bold added by me)

That would seem to strongly disagrea with your conclution about still having an opportunity to attack while on an asteroid or with a weapons disabled token. That is what seems inconsistent.

[edit - Parravon is :ph34r: ]

[edit 2 - why won't the ninja smiley work?]

Edited by Smuggler

That's what I get for writing a long post while I'm up waiting to let the dog back in. I didn't even bother looking at the FAQ entry that was being talked about.

So it's the FAQ entry for the new Blinded Pilot card that is inconsistent with the rest of the rules? That FAQ entry seems to be the only thing that suggests that losing the ability to attack makes you skip you opportunity to attack.

I sent a link to this discussion and a long winded "Hey, these things seem to contradict each other" email to Frank and Alex. I have no idea if they ever respond to anything sent to the email addresses in their signatures or if they would even respond to that sort of question.

If I hear back I'll update this thread.

I sent a question in via the normal channels last week and still have yet to hear back from them.

... and here's the answer...

In response to your rules question:


Rules Question:
Question regarding two possibly conflicting FAQ entries: TFA Blinded Pilot damage card (P6) and Feedback Array (P12) The Feedback Array entry says you can use it while overlapping an asteroid. But the newer Blinded Pilot entry states you don't get an opportunity to attack while overlapping an asteroid. 1. Although Feedback Array is not considered an attack, does it need an opportunity to attack in order to be used? 2. Can you still use Feedback Array while overlapping an asteroid?

You can use Feedback Array while you have the Blinded Pilot Damage card, but it does not flip that card facedown. Additionally, you cannot use Feedback Array while overlapping an asteroid. This will be addressed more clearly in the upcoming FAQ.

Thanks for playing,

Frank Brooks

Associate Creative Content Developer
Fantasy Flight Games

So it seems that Feedback Array isn't an attack (which we already knew) but it also isn't considered an opportunity to attack, so it doesn't flip the damage card. The more interesting part is the second sentence which is reversing the FAQ entry regarding using FA while on an asteroid.

You can use Feedback Array while you have the Blinded Pilot Damage card, but it does not flip that card facedown. Additionally, you cannot use Feedback Array while overlapping an asteroid. This will be addressed more clearly in the upcoming FAQ.

Thanks for playing,

Frank Brooks

Associate Creative Content Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

If Feedback Array requires an opportunity to attack (which is the same trigger for the new Blinded Pilot) and sitting on an asteroid denies you an opportunity to attack, it makes sense that you can't use feedback array.

However, it almost looks like that answer is referring to the old Blinded Pilot crit instead of the new one that you had asked about. The new card doesn't require an attack to flip down. I don't see how this answer makes any sense with the new crit card.

You can use Feedback Array while you have the Blinded Pilot Damage card, but it does not flip that card facedown. Additionally, you cannot use Feedback Array while overlapping an asteroid. This will be addressed more clearly in the upcoming FAQ.

Thanks for playing,

Frank Brooks

Associate Creative Content Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

If Feedback Array requires an opportunity to attack (which is the same trigger for the new Blinded Pilot) and sitting on an asteroid denies you an opportunity to attack, it makes sense that you can't use feedback array.

However, it almost looks like that answer is referring to the old Blinded Pilot crit instead of the new one that you had asked about. The new card doesn't require an attack to flip down. I don't see how this answer makes any sense with the new crit card.

And now you can see the quandary I had over this one. He did answer my second question, but not the first; "does it need an opportunity to attack in order to be used?" But Frank did say this one is going to get clarified in the next FAQ, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what they decide.

The problem I'm seeing is this; as the FAQ grows with each new wave, there needs to be much more attention to detail when creating new entries and how they may interact with older entries. There have been numerous times when players have asked a question, received an answer, and then been left with "but how does that work with this upgrade/rule because that says differently?"

If an opportunity for attack is not required to trigger FA then you can trigger FA on an asteroid but not the new blinded pilot (which we know).

If an opportunity for attack is required to trigger FA then you cannot trigger FA on an asteroid but you can flip-the-crit when you can trigger FA (which would be RAW).

BUT, it sounds like Frank is saying you need an opportunity to attack in order to trigger FA but, even though FA and the new blinded pilot resolve at the same time, you cannot flip-the-crit if you use FA.

What. Is. Going. On?

BUT, it sounds like Frank is saying you need an opportunity to attack in order to trigger FA but, even though FA and the new blinded pilot resolve at the same time, you cannot flip-the-crit if you use FA.

What. Is. Going. On?

Flipping Blinded Pilot and using Feedback Array are both things you can do with your opportunity to attack instead of attacking. You can't do them both in the same turn for the same reason you can't use FA and attack.

If an opportunity for attack is not required to trigger FA then you can trigger FA on an asteroid but not the new blinded pilot (which we know).

If an opportunity for attack is required to trigger FA then you cannot trigger FA on an asteroid but you can flip-the-crit when you can trigger FA (which would be RAW).

BUT, it sounds like Frank is saying you need an opportunity to attack in order to trigger FA but, even though FA and the new blinded pilot resolve at the same time, you cannot flip-the-crit if you use FA.

What. Is. Going. On?

Wait and see. All shall be revealed in due course...

... we hope. :)

Is it not the way like... When the times comes, one can choose to either: use Feedback Array OR make an attack? Even before "checking" if you're on an asteroid or not? That does not mean that you don't have an opportunity to attack, but you take a different option, hence you flip the new crit, don't flip the old crit (as you do not do an attack) and still may do that while touching other ship or being on an asteroid.

It seems most logical for me, and in line with all so far given explanations (besides the latest one, above).