What is the interaction? When the new blinded pilot was updated in the FAQ there were no changes to feedback array. So currently it states that you can do feedback array during blinded pilot.

What I want to know is does the NEW one resolve and flip when doing the feedback array?

The key phrase is on the Damage card: "After your next opportunity to attack..."

So when you next have an opportunity to attack, you can't, but you can use Feedback Array, and when that opportunity has passed, the Damage card has now been resolved and flipped over.

Yes but does the crit also resolve? My opponent last night argued that since BP says you can't perform attacks that you then cannot do feedback because it says "Instead of performing an attack"

Yes the crit resolves. You don't need to actually attack, just had the opportunity to do so. However feedback array FAQ actually says that it can be used even if you're subject to the blinded pilot crit.

Yes but does the crit also resolve? My opponent last night argued that since BP says you can't perform attacks that you then cannot do feedback because it says "Instead of performing an attack"

You would resolve the crit.

Yes but does the crit also resolve? My opponent last night argued that since BP says you can't perform attacks that you then cannot do feedback because it says "Instead of performing an attack"

The key word is attack. An attack is a carefully defined process in the rulebook. You make an attack with a primary or secondary weapon and a secondary weapons is an Upgrade card with the "Attack:" header. Feedback Array is NOT a weapon, primary or secondary and does not make an attack. Bombs and mines would fall into the same category, so you could drop a bomb or mine while you have a Blinded Pilot Damage card as they are not considered an attack either.

Basically, what the Blinded Pilot card does is make you miss your next round of shooting, or miss your next opportunity to make an attack, even if you don't have a target. Feedback array is not considered to be a secondary weapon, and as such is not making an attack, and therefore is not restricted by Blinded Pilot. Hence the FAQ entry stating you can use it when you have the Blinded Pilot card, and also when you're touching another ship, and while you're parked on an asteroid.

Because you haven't made an attack with a primary or secondary weapon, you've missed that round of shooting (ignoring the fact that you've used Feedback Array), you've now satisfied the requirement on the Blinded Pilot card, and so it is flipped over. You have resolved the damage effect by not making an attack this round.

Doesn't using Feedback Array remove your opportunity to attack in the same way that SLAMing or being on a rock do? (FAQ p6, upper right)

Doesn't using Feedback Array remove your opportunity to attack in the same way that SLAMing or being on a rock do? (FAQ p6, upper right)

Good point. I missed that particular one.

Blinded Pilot: A ship with a weapons disabled token or overlapping an asteroid does not get an opportunity to attack during the Combat phase and therefore cannot turn Blinded Pilot facedown.

Feedback Array: Using Feedback Array does not count as an attack, and can be used against ships you are touching, while you are overlapping an asteroid, and while you have the Blinded Pilot Damage card assigned to your ship.

So it seems you can use Feedback Array while you have the Blinded Pilot Damage card, but you cannot use Feedback Array when you're overlapping an asteroid. I'm seeing a little contradiction here.

I'm seeing a little contradiction here.

An asteroid removes your opportunity to attack, blinded pilot doesn't, in fact if blinded pilot did that you'd never be able to process it.

So that's why you can use it with the crit, but not on the rocks.

Why are you both saying you can't use it (Feedback Array) on the rocks? I mean... the rule you've quoted says

Using Feedback Array does not count as an attack, and can be used ... while you are overlapping an asteroid

Why are you both saying you can't use it (Feedback Array) on the rocks?

That's what I get for believing Parravon and not checking the FAQ...

Hey, don't blame me for everything! That latest entry in the FAQ on page 6 is what's now confusing the issue.

Prior to reading that, everything was 100% kosher. Now, I'm not so sure.

Hey, don't blame me for everything!

Well it says on my calendar that this is the week I blame you for everything... You should've heard what I called you when the snow started to get past 7 inches deep.

I see what you mean now, the TFA Blinded pilot vs the OT one. But I think that the entry for Feedback Array applies to both crits.

Since Feedback Array doesn't count as an attack the blinded pilot crits don't stop it.

Hey, don't blame me for everything!

Well it says on my calendar that this is the week I blame you for everything... You should've heard what I called you when the snow started to get past 7 inches deep.

I see what you mean now, the TFA Blinded pilot vs the OT one. But I think that the entry for Feedback Array applies to both crits.

Since Feedback Array doesn't count as an attack the blinded pilot crits don't stop it.

Just wait a minute!! How is it my fault for your snow? It's the height of Summer down here in New Zealand, and we've had 80°F for the last week!

Just wait a minute!! How is it my fault for your snow?

Cuse it's your week... Next week is Sithborg, and the week after that it's ForgottenLore.

I mean I gotta have someone to blame, I can't likely admit that something was my fault.

Just wait a minute!! How is it my fault for your snow?

Cuse it's your week... Next week is Sithborg, and the week after that it's ForgottenLore.

I mean I gotta have someone to blame, I can't likely admit that something was my fault.

Well, OK. Just as long as you're sharing it around.

Just wait a minute!! How is it my fault for your snow? It's the height of Summer down here in New Zealand, and we've had 80°F for the last week!

Well maybe if you weren't hogging all the temperature! I see how you are.

Why are you both saying you can't use it (Feedback Array) on the rocks? I mean... the rule you've quoted says

Using Feedback Array does not count as an attack, and can be used ... while you are overlapping an asteroid

My question is this: if you're on an asteroid you can use feedback array, but can you still resolve the new blinded pilot crit that turn? Can a cloaked phantom resolve it?

Well according to the latest FAQ, you can't flip the Blinded Pilot card. My question is: does removing the opportunity to attack (for being on the asteroid) remove the opportunity to use Feedback Array?

My question is: does removing the opportunity to attack (for being on the asteroid) remove the opportunity to use Feedback Array?

Sorry if I'm being dumb, but have you not quoted the FAQ further up the thread that answers this?

My question is: does removing the opportunity to attack (for being on the asteroid) remove the opportunity to use Feedback Array?

Sorry if I'm being dumb, but have you not quoted the FAQ further up the thread that answers this?

And I've read both FAQ entries a few times now and I'm still unsure. Although the FA entry says you can, the BP entry (which is the newer entry) establishes that overlapping removes the opportunity to attack. And the wording on the FA card says instead of attacking, so does FA require an opportunity to attack or not? And you use that instead? I know it's not an attack, so it's not subject to many restrictions that attacks are. But reading those two entries, there's something that's just not sitting right. It might be that I just haven't wrapped my head around it, or there's something I'm simply missing.

My question is: does removing the opportunity to attack (for being on the asteroid) remove the opportunity to use Feedback Array?

Sorry if I'm being dumb, but have you not quoted the FAQ further up the thread that answers this?

And I've read both FAQ entries a few times now and I'm still unsure. Although the FA entry says you can, the BP entry (which is the newer entry) establishes that overlapping removes the opportunity to attack. And the wording on the FA card says instead of attacking, so does FA require an opportunity to attack or not? And you use that instead? I know it's not an attack, so it's not subject to many restrictions that attacks are. But reading those two entries, there's something that's just not sitting right. It might be that I just haven't wrapped my head around it, or there's something I'm simply missing.

It's probobly just an other case of "it works like this because we say so".

FA can be used while on an asteroid because the FAQ says so.

BP can not be fliped down when landing on an asteroid because the FAQ says so.

What the actual rules and cards say is realy only relevant in the absence of an FAQ entry... sadly.

My question is: does removing the opportunity to attack (for being on the asteroid) remove the opportunity to use Feedback Array?

Sorry if I'm being dumb, but have you not quoted the FAQ further up the thread that answers this?

And I've read both FAQ entries a few times now and I'm still unsure. Although the FA entry says you can, the BP entry (which is the newer entry) establishes that overlapping removes the opportunity to attack. And the wording on the FA card says instead of attacking, so does FA require an opportunity to attack or not? And you use that instead? I know it's not an attack, so it's not subject to many restrictions that attacks are. But reading those two entries, there's something that's just not sitting right. It might be that I just haven't wrapped my head around it, or there's something I'm simply missing.

It's probobly just an other case of "it works like this because we say so".

FA can be used while on an asteroid because the FAQ says so.

BP can not be fliped down when landing on an asteroid because the FAQ says so.

What the actual rules and cards say is realy only relevant in the absence of an FAQ entry... sadly.

At the time that Feedback Array was released the ruling in the FAQ made perfect sense with the rules as written.

Feedback Array doesn't have you skip your opportunity to attack. It simply gives you an option other than attacking. You still hit the trigger for resolving the new Blinded Pilot. It would not have resolved the old Blinded Pilot because that required that an actual attack be made.

RRG, pg. 9:

"During the Combat phase, each ship has an opportunity to perform one attack, starting with the ship with the highest pilot skill and continuing in descending order."

This establishes that each ship gets an opportunity to attack during each combat phase and gives them a default thing that they can do during that window (perform an attack).

RRG, pg. 14

"Asteroid: The ship must skip its “Perform Action” step this round. After skipping the “Perform Action” step, it rolls one attack die. On a [HIT] result, the ship suffers one damage; on a [CRIT] result, it suffers one critical damage. While a ship is overlapping an asteroid, it cannot perform any attacks."

Nothing there says that the ship loses it's opportunity to attack. It just prohibits the ship from making an attack. You still get to the opportunity to attack trigger, you just don't have any valid choices if you don't have something like Feedback Array.

FAQ, pg. 3:

"A ship with a weapons disabled token cannot perform attacks".

I don't see anything here about skipping your opportunity to attack either. If there was ship that could SLAM and have a Feedback Array, there's no reason it couldn't SLAM and use Feedback Array in the same round.

FAQ, pg. 12:

"Feedback Array

Feedback array is resolved during the Combat phase in normal pilot skill order (using initiative to break ties) instead of resolving combat steps 1–7 (see rules reference pages 4–5). if a ship equipped with Feedback array destroys an enemy ship of equal pilot skill that has not attacked yet, that ship may still perform an attack (or use Feedback array) before it is removed, following the simultaneous attack rule (see rules reference page 17).

Using Feedback array does not count as an attack, and can be used against ships you are touching, while you are overlapping an asteroid, and while you have the Blinded pilot damage card assigned to your ship."

I'm not seeing anything in the Feedback Array FAQ entry that is inconsistent with the rules. Every ship gets an opportunity to attack. When that opportunity occurs there may be game effects, like Feedback Array, that add options. There may also be effects that remove options such as being on an Asteroid, Blinded Pilot, or having a Weapons Disabled token.