Hey all, happy monday. I have fallen in love with vader and the tie advance. I normally run the standard vader with predator, atc, and eu. I haven't played with him very much but fel always gives me a huge headache so I'm going to be using him with autothrusters and ptl. That leaves me with 31 points to play with. Juno seems like a ton of fun and was wanting to use her. But don't really know how to spend those 31, preferably less for initiative, does giving her juke with ac make sense? Seems legit but would it beat VI with atc? Halp.

Hello, and welcome to tuesday!

If you drop Fel to Jax Juke becomes nastier. They roll an evade and an eye, you turn it into an eye and they can't spend their focus...

Juke with ATC probably beats Juke with AC IMO. Juking a kaboom is probably better than Juking one of two booms, especially given that your likely result on two dice will be boom blank anyway, so you wind up juking boom kaboom instead of two booms... Costs a point more, sure, but it's better, so why not.

I'd look at VI Vader with ATC, Engine Upgrade, plus standard Super Soontir and Omega Leader with Juke, Comm Relay, Stealth Device. Drop to Super Carnor, and swap for Juke on Vader and fly him and Vader together for maximum trollage as noted above.

Ive run Juno once. It was with ATC and VI. Without a doubt next time I use her it will be with juke and accuracy corrector. AC juke hits harder on average than 3 dice focus. VI atc isnt bad after you have the TL up. It can be hard to maintain damage without Vaders extra action imo.

*i eouldnt ATC juke on anyone but vader or maybe alozen.

Juke with ATC probably beats Juke with AC IMO. Juking a kaboom is probably better than Juking one of two booms, especially given that your likely result on two dice will be boom blank anyway, so you wind up juking boom kaboom instead of two booms... Costs a point more, sure, but it's better, so why not.

I'd look at VI Vader with ATC, Engine Upgrade, plus standard Super Soontir and Omega Leader with Juke, Comm Relay, Stealth Device. Drop to Super Carnor, and swap for Juke on Vader and fly him and Vader together for maximum trollage as noted above.

Ive run something similar but instead of soontir I ran vessary with juke and the x7 title. It was awesome though I need practice with the defender. I find i fly him into combat way too fast with the title haha.

I thought you were talking about Vader who lacks that problem.

With Juno it's more of a difficult thing to judge, yeah.

Juke with ATC probably beats Juke with AC IMO. Juking a kaboom is probably better than Juking one of two booms, especially given that your likely result on two dice will be boom blank anyway, so you wind up juking boom kaboom instead of two booms... Costs a point more, sure, but it's better, so why not.

I'd look at VI Vader with ATC, Engine Upgrade, plus standard Super Soontir and Omega Leader with Juke, Comm Relay, Stealth Device. Drop to Super Carnor, and swap for Juke on Vader and fly him and Vader together for maximum trollage as noted above.

Juke with ATC places heavy demands on what should normally be good action economy. It's not been ideal on Vader in my experience.

I'm surprised I never considered this already... though I also lack a Raider. It sounds superb on Vader but I'd also vouch for ATC over Accuracy Corrector. On the other hand, it may be more advantagious to throw in those occasional barrel rolls and EU boosts too.... hmmm.

I agree with AlexW. Vader has great action economy but he really wants to evade, focus, target lock and boost nearly every turn while he has ATC. Switching to accuracy corrector frees up actions for repositioning or turtling up.

I've flown a Juke list including Vader a lot with ATC and Vader never really pulled his weight. I've since switched over to Tie/FOs with Comm Relay and Juke and haven't lost a game since doing so.

I think the topic has got a little side tracked, my original question was not about putting juke on vader but if it would work well with juno. I have 31 points to spend and its either juke+ac or VI amd atc. Thanks all!

Take Juke and AC.

When it's time for the maneuver you can always decide to take the barrel roll over the evade, but why would you?

I like this topic. I have trouble playing Vader effectively myself because making Advanced Targeting Computer pay off is not as easy as it seems. You spend an action (target lock) which often could be useful on defense (evade or focus), and then you might have to switch targets and spend that target lock action again. I used to play Vader for fun every once in awhile before the buff and I think I was getting more out of him at times because he´s really a tough nut to crack when played conservatively with focus and evade while mostly using boost/barrel roll to get out of arc. If someone would have offered me a free Accuracy Corrector on Vader at that time I would have been thrilled.

Juke is great at times but that VI to get to PS11 is so nice in the current meta with a lot of PS9 Soontirs and Poes at PS10.

Take Juke and AC.

When it's time for the maneuver you can always decide to take the barrel roll over the evade, but why would you?

Because barrel rolling would prevent you from getting shot, and take you to the R1 flank of the opposing ship.

That would be a good use, though by the time Juno moves the field should be clear enough to help you make that decision.

Nothing is ever set in stone of course.

I think the topic has got a little side tracked, my original question was not about putting juke on vader but if it would work well with juno. I have 31 points to spend and its either juke+ac or VI amd atc. Thanks all!

ATC is great if you have multiple actions and/or are facing two ship lists. It's why it's great on Vader because, especially with EU, it leaves him a lot of options beyond that for free, which is the point I was making above with Juke -- that it restricts those. The same is true of ATC on Juno. She only has one action and TL is the least ideal in most situations. Juke+AC gives you what you need I think. AC works regardless and when you get an action Juke boosts both offense and defense.

I actually just ran Juno with AC and juke at a tourny last weekend (3-1)

Let me just tell you...SHE IS A HOUSE!
I highly recommend it giving it a try.

Palp shuttle?

Seriously though, if you own the FO expansion, Omega Leader with Juke and Comm Relay is a revelation.

Palp shuttle?

Seriously though, if you own the FO expansion, Omega Leader with Juke and Comm Relay is a revelation.

I have used omega leader and he is beast. Him with Vader and vessery with juke is fuuuuuun.

I think if you run Vader atc you also should run predator. Atc many turns will force you down to 1 action already due to shuffling target locks. Add juke and suddenly you're flying a ship with 0 actions per turn and no reroll economy. Juke with a.c. seems fine since again you're down to 1 action a turn but that's fine.