"After you suffer 3 or more damage from an attack, recover 1 shield (up to your shield value)."

"If this attack hits, after dealing damage, remove 1 shield token from the defender."

So, which end ability resolves first? Recovery or removal? Is it still based on initiative like R2-D2 and APL?

I would assume it's based off initiative.

Note: the extra shield loss is from an ability, not the attack itself, so if you lose 2 shields then Plasma Torpedoes takes off another, Reinforced Deflectors will NOT trigger.

Yeah I think plasma would have to do 3 damage for deflectors to nullify it. If you did 2 damage with plasma, they will net lose 3 shields. Two damage wouldn't trigger the deflectors, and then removing a token isn't considered 'damage'. Three damage with plasma, you remove a token, they gain it back, or whatever order. Wouldn't matter. If you actually blow up the entire hull they die first.

I would assume it's based off initiative.

Note: the extra shield loss is from an ability, not the attack itself, so if you lose 2 shields then Plasma Torpedoes takes off another, Reinforced Deflectors will NOT trigger.

Yes I am aware.

Everyone please note that I'm only asking about resolution, not triggers. I know how to read the literal text on something.

I would say that Plasma Torpedoes happens first but Re. Deflectors only activate if they PT deal 3+ damage removing a token, is not the same as receiving damage, think stealth device and Assault Missiles or asteroids

EDIT: ninjaed

Three damage with plasma, you remove a token, they gain it back, or whatever order. Wouldn't matter. If you actually blow up the entire hull they die first.

The order actually does matter though.

A Lambda, Reinforced Deflectors with 2 shields remaining gets hit with a Plasma Torpedo.

The Torpedo rolls 4 hits to the Shuttle's 1 evade.

3 hit results are uncancelled and become damage.

The Shuttle loses 2 shields and 1 hull.

Who triggers first?

If the Deflectors trigger first, the Torpedo removes the new shield.

If the Torpedo triggers first however, there is no shield to remove. Then the Deflectors resolve and the Shuttle flies away with 4 hull and 1 shield remaining.

Yeah I think plasma would have to do 3 damage for deflectors to nullify it. If you did 2 damage with plasma, they will net lose 3 shields. Two damage wouldn't trigger the deflectors, and then removing a token isn't considered 'damage'. Three damage with plasma, you remove a token, they gain it back, or whatever order. Wouldn't matter. If you actually blow up the entire hull they die first.

It does matter if the 3+ Plasma damage removes all your shields BEFORE either one triggers. If Plasma triggers first, there's nothing else to remove, then you get a shield back from Reinforced Deflectors. If Deflectors trigger first, you get a shield back only to lose it again right away.

I would assume it's based off initiative.

Note: the extra shield loss is from an ability, not the attack itself, so if you lose 2 shields then Plasma Torpedoes takes off another, Reinforced Deflectors will NOT trigger.

Yes I am aware.

Everyone please note that I'm only asking about resolution, not triggers. I know how to read the literal text on something.

Cool. It wasn't for you.

Yeah I think plasma would have to do 3 damage for deflectors to nullify it. If you did 2 damage with plasma, they will net lose 3 shields. Two damage wouldn't trigger the deflectors, and then removing a token isn't considered 'damage'. Three damage with plasma, you remove a token, they gain it back, or whatever order. Wouldn't matter. If you actually blow up the entire hull they die first.

Actually order does matter. Let's say you make them lose all their shields, and they recover one shield, then remove that token. They end with no shields.

Or, the attack makes them lose the shields, then Plasma Torps have no shield token to remove, then Ghost recovers 1 shield.

Then another attackers attacks and gets 1 crit.

Order matters.

Then the Deflectors resolve and the Shuttle flies away with 4 hull and 1 shield remaining.

Define "flies away".

Yeah I think plasma would have to do 3 damage for deflectors to nullify it. If you did 2 damage with plasma, they will net lose 3 shields. Two damage wouldn't trigger the deflectors, and then removing a token isn't considered 'damage'. Three damage with plasma, you remove a token, they gain it back, or whatever order. Wouldn't matter. If you actually blow up the entire hull they die first.

It does matter if the 3+ Plasma damage removes all your shields BEFORE either one triggers. If Plasma triggers first, there's nothing else to remove, then you get a shield back from Reinforced Deflectors. If Deflectors trigger first, you get a shield back only to lose it again right away.

I would assume it's based off initiative.

Note: the extra shield loss is from an ability, not the attack itself, so if you lose 2 shields then Plasma Torpedoes takes off another, Reinforced Deflectors will NOT trigger.

Yes I am aware.

Everyone please note that I'm only asking about resolution, not triggers. I know how to read the literal text on something.

Cool. It wasn't for you.

Sorry. I get defensive with stuff like this, because such answers suggest the tacit assumption that I couldn't already figure that out myself. However, it's entirely possible that in my year absence, they've changed some rule about resolution order. Wouldn't be the first time they've made one decision, then totally flipped it (see Night Beast errata)

Sorry. I get defensive with stuff like this, because such answers suggest the tacit assumption that I couldn't already figure that out myself.

Unfortunately, that's an assumption that is often safe to make around here and probably answers most of the rules questions that get asked.

Three damage with plasma, you remove a token, they gain it back, or whatever order. Wouldn't matter. If you actually blow up the entire hull they die first.

The order actually does matter though.

A Lambda, Reinforced Deflectors with 2 shields remaining gets hit with a Plasma Torpedo.

The Torpedo rolls 4 hits to the Shuttle's 1 evade.

3 hit results are uncancelled and become damage.

The Shuttle loses 2 shields and 1 hull.

Who triggers first?

If the Deflectors trigger first, the Torpedo removes the new shield.

If the Torpedo triggers first however, there is no shield to remove. Then the Deflectors resolve and the Shuttle flies away with 4 hull and 1 shield remaining.

Definitely missed this case. I stand corrected.

Sorry. I get defensive with stuff like this, because such answers suggest the tacit assumption that I couldn't already figure that out myself. However, it's entirely possible that in my year absence, they've changed some rule about resolution order. Wouldn't be the first time they've made one decision, then totally flipped it (see Night Beast errata)

Sorry. I get defensive with stuff like this, because such answers suggest the tacit assumption that I couldn't already figure that out myself. However, it's entirely possible that in my year absence, they've changed some rule about resolution order. Wouldn't be the first time they've made one decision, then totally flipped it (see Night Beast errata)

I see how you could have that reaction. Usually when a member of the Ancient Worshipful Guild of the Rules Lawyers jumps in with a caveat, it's not really about the person they're directly responding to. It's (viewed charitably), about making sure that somebody else who reads the thread later doesn't come away with the wrong impression and then piss off everybody at their next league night or tournament with "But the Rules Forum said...." We could maybe be clearer about that.

There's a whole subforum devoted to threads like these.

There's a whole subforum devoted to threads like these.

Heh... when I started writing the original, I think I'd phrased it in a way that invited more of a discussion than an answer, because I forgot the exact wording. When I went to copy/paste it, I realized I'd remembered it slightly differently than it was written, which ended up negating part of what I originally thought the discussion would revolve around. So I suppose at that point the failure to rewrite everything in a different subforum was my fault.