I hate flying against the list that won at Worlds. Just smells of desperation and boredom.

I don't get this. Because nobody even had this list on the radar of being remotely OP before worlds. And it's actually nothing more than a good solid list... It also doesn't spam anything.So why is this boring and desperate?

I don't remember saying anything about it being OP or spamming anything. That fact that it gets copy pasted into every tournament with zero thought because it won at Worlds is enough reason for me.

Gotta agree with stabbald here, when someone describes their list starting with "this is Paul Heaver's list that won world's", at a casual event, then I get kinda miffed. I endeavor to bring something new to the table every time I play, not always the best lists but new and interesting to me, and when someone brings a try hard list to local game store x wing night, it's really annoying.

Really have to disagree here. People should be able to play whatever they want without some jerk across the table trying to judge them for it. Even if it's a casual match, maybe they want to practice their tournament list. Maybe they like flying it and just want to play with something they like. Why should they adhere to your imaginary checklist of things that aren't allowed in casual games?

Also "try hard," really? Take that nonsense back to Xbox Live

Look people can play whatever they want, and I don't gripe about it at the table, but when you bring a tried and tested list to the table your not playing for fun, your playing to win. So "try hard" is the appropriate term. And like I said it's more annoying than frustrating, especially when it's not a hard list to fly (super dash, tlt, etc.) and it shows no ingenuity, just someone that wants to win.

For me, it comes down to why you play the list. I thought of playing Corran, Poe and an Awing. (I forgot that a similar list was at worlds) I didn't go with it, but another guy did, and He didn't know about the worlds list either, He just liked it.

I hate flying against the list that won at Worlds. Just smells of desperation and boredom.

I don't get this. Because nobody even had this list on the radar of being remotely OP before worlds. And it's actually nothing more than a good solid list... It also doesn't spam anything.So why is this boring and desperate?

I don't remember saying anything about it being OP or spamming anything. That fact that it gets copy pasted into every tournament with zero thought because it won at Worlds is enough reason for me.

Gotta agree with stabbald here, when someone describes their list starting with "this is Paul Heaver's list that won world's", at a casual event, then I get kinda miffed. I endeavor to bring something new to the table every time I play, not always the best lists but new and interesting to me, and when someone brings a try hard list to local game store x wing night, it's really annoying.

Really have to disagree here. People should be able to play whatever they want without some jerk across the table trying to judge them for it. Even if it's a casual match, maybe they want to practice their tournament list. Maybe they like flying it and just want to play with something they like. Why should they adhere to your imaginary checklist of things that aren't allowed in casual games?

Also "try hard," really? Take that nonsense back to Xbox Live

Look people can play whatever they want, and I don't gripe about it at the table, but when you bring a tried and tested list to the table your not playing for fun, your playing to win. So "try hard" is the appropriate term. And like I said it's more annoying than frustrating, especially when it's not a hard list to fly (super dash, tlt, etc.) and it shows no ingenuity, just someone that wants to win.

For me, it comes down to why you play the list. I thought of playing Corran, Poe and an Awing. (I forgot that a similar list was at worlds) I didn't go with it, but another guy did, and He didn't know about the worlds list either, He just liked it.

Can we just... Ban... Autothrusters, TLT, and C-3PO? Call it a hard days work and see what happens for a few months?

Can we just... Ban... Autothrusters, TLT, and C-3PO? Call it a hard days work and see what happens for a few months?

What could we possibly glean from this?

Can we just... Ban... Autothrusters, TLT, and C-3PO? Call it a hard days work and see what happens for a few months?

Does nothing to the Decimator or Dash.

Can we just... Ban... Autothrusters, TLT, and C-3PO? Call it a hard days work and see what happens for a few months?

Does nothing to the Decimator or Dash.

My friend is really good at dropping Proxy mines, so whenever I see him put out some bombers, I curse slightly.

Fly Palpatine! By the power of the dark side he makes mines hurt less.

Not when my friend catches a trio of ships in tight formation with a single proxy mine or set of cluster mines.

Can we just... Ban... Autothrusters, TLT, and C-3PO? Call it a hard days work and see what happens for a few months?

What could we possibly glean from this?

Eliminate Scum as a competitive option?

Dual YT-1300s was really popular in my area for a while but thankfully it's pretty rare nowadays.

I'd say the most annoying is double regen lists because you know you're dealing with an end-game regen ace no matter what you do.

You do realize that Empire has a lot better defense to begin with

Surely you don't mean agility dice?

Advanceds, Tap, Fighters, Fo's Defenders... All 3 Agility! Plus the occasional 2/4 Phantom! They are not as hard to hit as Soontir but still AT LEAST as hard as anything Rebels can field. Harder if fielding Palpy. And they can actually bring this en masse on nearly any Ace they bring! And they're for a majority the better arc-dodgers too compared to Rebels

So yes, if Rebels had no shield regen on their Aces, they'd be in pretty bad shape right now! And if you take a look beyond Shield regen Aces you see the occasional Jake Farrel and then nothing else pretty much! Why? Because it's the only way to go for them.

I don't blame anyone for playing shield regen, or give me a top competitive rebel ace list that does not have it! Then i might change my mind! And no, Biggs is still not top competitive... Not quite! And most of the time if he is used the list still has R2-D2

Can we just... Ban... Autothrusters, TLT, and C-3PO? Call it a hard days work and see what happens for a few months?

What could we possibly glean from this?

Eliminate Scum as a competitive option?

That would probably just mean completely overpowered Defenders after ImpVets hit and a serious return of the Phantom and the Decimator to the meta!

You do realize that Empire has a lot better defense to begin with

Surely you don't mean agility dice?

Try hitting Soontir with conventional means. I think he took 1 damage in my last 5 games with Palpmobile.

By conventional means - you mean blocking him, or?

Because blocking him also works like a charm, almost every **** time. (only had it fail once when he rolled 3 natural evades, two times in a row..)

He's got 7 greens and in order to stay in the fight you're looking at about 4.

It isn't hard to trap Soontir with careful obstacle placement and a good approach, imho.

And if he bugs out, sweet.

He's a good ship, especially versus turrets, but I've played against (and with) him since the Squint was released so I don't see him as that big of a deal - compared to LolPoe who can cruise along doing 1-forward/1-bank almost all game.

I kind of hate Accuracy Corrector. All these combos, upgrades, and actions to put yourself in a position to modify dice, but still having to roll the dice... and this system comes along and says "ah, ef it. Just make it 2 hits every time.." Something lazy about it.

You do realize that Empire has a lot better defense to begin with

Surely you don't mean agility dice?

Try hitting Soontir with conventional means. I think he took 1 damage in my last 5 games with Palpmobile.

By conventional means - you mean blocking him, or?

Because blocking him also works like a charm, almost every **** time. (only had it fail once when he rolled 3 natural evades, two times in a row..)

He's got 7 greens and in order to stay in the fight you're looking at about 4.

It isn't hard to trap Soontir with careful obstacle placement and a good approach, imho.

And if he bugs out, sweet.

He's a good ship, especially versus turrets, but I've played against (and with) him since the Squint was released so I don't see him as that big of a deal - compared to LolPoe who can cruise along doing 1-forward/1-bank almost all game.

It largely depends on how good you are compared to your opponent and how aggressive you fly him. By conventional means i mean standard shooting at him, as opposed to bombs, Wampa, Ten Nunb or Autoblasters that bypass his defenses and damage him directly. And honestly, we don't see a whole lot of these things in the meta. Because they are not good against other things.

He is also a better arc-dodger than the rebel pilots with Boost/Barrel and PS9 all naturally. So you have every advantage you can have to not get blocked, and if you do it's your skills, not the ship!

But if you block Corran or Poe, they are just as easy to kill as Soontir, Poe needs to focus unless he has R2-D2, and has only 2 agility which makes a big difference opposed to Soontirs 3 or rather 4 as he will take damage from many more sources and rolls compared to Soontir.

And Corran without actions is just as vulnerable as soontir, and if you run a turret or go R3, then the AT make a big difference. Also Soontir mostly runs Stealth device in his standard build, and Palpy makes him harder to hit than anything Rebels can put on the field.

So what they get in shield regeneration, Soontir gets in the fact that you can't damage him at all. And many foes will not even target him because there is no hope to damage him with the weaponry they have. This is drastically different to a Poe or Miranda that will eat a lot of the damage that gets directed at them. So people will shoot them with any available shot, while you would not do that against Soonir.

And then while others are abit more vulnerable than him,

Rebels absolutely need the shield regeneration to be competitive in the ace section, there is not much other choice.

So if you say you are annoyed by it, okay then be annoyed. But please consider that this is not the player's fault, it's just that FFG has balanced the game this way. Which i for my part am completely fine with. Empire and Scum just have different tricks and strengths, but they are just as potent!

I hate flying against the list that won at Worlds. Just smells of desperation and boredom.

I don't get this. Because nobody even had this list on the radar of being remotely OP before worlds. And it's actually nothing more than a good solid list... It also doesn't spam anything.So why is this boring and desperate?

I don't remember saying anything about it being OP or spamming anything. That fact that it gets copy pasted into every tournament with zero thought because it won at Worlds is enough reason for me.

Gotta agree with stabbald here, when someone describes their list starting with "this is Paul Heaver's list that won world's", at a casual event, then I get kinda miffed. I endeavor to bring something new to the table every time I play, not always the best lists but new and interesting to me, and when someone brings a try hard list to local game store x wing night, it's really annoying.

Why, this list is not even a tryhard list... i would rather say that the player is a tryhard then.

I have played against it and there are way scarier lists out there. It's Paul Heaver that makes it so strong in my opinion!

I won mpost of the times by killing Poe by sacrificing one of my own aces which got pounded. After that, My remaining ships easily mopped up an overstressed Stresshog, a single TLT and a Z-95.

I hate flying against the list that won at Worlds. Just smells of desperation and boredom.

I don't get this. Because nobody even had this list on the radar of being remotely OP before worlds. And it's actually nothing more than a good solid list... It also doesn't spam anything.So why is this boring and desperate?

I don't remember saying anything about it being OP or spamming anything. That fact that it gets copy pasted into every tournament with zero thought because it won at Worlds is enough reason for me.

Gotta agree with stabbald here, when someone describes their list starting with "this is Paul Heaver's list that won world's", at a casual event, then I get kinda miffed. I endeavor to bring something new to the table every time I play, not always the best lists but new and interesting to me, and when someone brings a try hard list to local game store x wing night, it's really annoying.

Really have to disagree here. People should be able to play whatever they want without some jerk across the table trying to judge them for it. Even if it's a casual match, maybe they want to practice their tournament list. Maybe they like flying it and just want to play with something they like. Why should they adhere to your imaginary checklist of things that aren't allowed in casual games?

Also "try hard," really? Take that nonsense back to Xbox Live

Look people can play whatever they want, and I don't gripe about it at the table, but when you bring a tried and tested list to the table your not playing for fun, your playing to win. So "try hard" is the appropriate term. And like I said it's more annoying than frustrating, especially when it's not a hard list to fly (super dash, tlt, etc.) and it shows no ingenuity, just someone that wants to win.

For me, it comes down to why you play the list. I thought of playing Corran, Poe and an Awing. (I forgot that a similar list was at worlds) I didn't go with it, but another guy did, and He didn't know about the worlds list either, He just liked it.

True words my good man. I try to avoid any net lists, but I also loose alot to so meh. Sometimes I'll build a squad that is super similar, and I'll incorporate squad building strategies from these lists, but I personaly don't like using tried and tested listed, I like running trials and tests. I make a dumb scum hwk ywing dual z list that gets stomped I have learned something valuable. If I (emphasis I) play and in with stresshog poe, I have learned nothing, Paul won world's with it, it has great potential if flown right an I already know that. Like you said, it all depends on why you play.

Okay i play for fun all the time, and still my opponents sometimes bring lists that are tried and tested, why the hell would you need to avoid them?

Also Corran, Poe, Protorype was the first list i tried after Poe was out, pretty much exactly what wa splayed on worlds by Nathan. Am i now a tryhard? Or am i a tryhard because i went on playing that list after i knew it took 2nd spot on worlds...

Come on guys this is just complete nonsense. Just let people play what they like!