Stormtroopers are exactly that: fearless, ultra-loyal infantry trained and equipped for close assault. Their officers (seen on on the Tantive) wear black uniforms, different from other imp officers who wear olive green or brown. I understand them to be a distinct corps, not vastly unlike the way the Waffen SS was separate from the German 'heer' in WW2, and used very often to spearhead German offensives.

Stormies are not the only imp. footsoldiers to feature in the films. In all three OT films we see black-clad soldiers called Death Star / Imperial Navy Troopers. These guys are employed, on the DS I, on Star Destroyers and in the DS II's shield generator bunker, in a defensive/security role. As assault troops, stormtroopers don't guard prisoners in cells or stand sentinel in the corner of a SD bridge. These guys do that.

In RotJ we also see guys in grey jumpsuits and open-faced helmets not unlike WW1/WW2 German stahlhelms (also worn by Veers) driving AT-STs, and guys in similar grey jumpsuits but with white Tie-fighter-pilot-style helmets driving AT-ATs. I do not understand any of these chaps to be 'stormtroopers'. I can therefore see a role for cheap imperial army infantry in the same grey jumpsuits,used predominantly in a defensive, static role. If that was the only EU concept to survive the Disney purge, then that would suit me.

Sign me up for some imperial army troopers, and also some imperial navy troopers.

Ta very much.

If you look at modern infantry soldiers they are dressed very similar to elite units. The difference is more high tech gear which isn't always apparent to the naked eye. Much better quality weapons, optics, night vision, etc. So in IA you have regular Stormtroopers, which seem to me like standard Imperial front-line infantry, and then Elite Stormtroopers, which are more like advance units like Ranger, SEAL, MARSOC, etc. As has been said, the Stormtrooper is a pretty cheap unit. What would the card look like for unarmored 'infantry' look like? And how would they be played by Imperial Forces. Additionally we know the Scout Troopers are coming, of that I have no doubt, so are they going to be stronger or weaker than regular Stormtroopers? If they are weaker, we have to set the bar even lower for guys are basically just security forces. Vehicle drivers are a whole different animal. Tank crews don't get out of the tank and start running around with the infantry. That isn't the primary MOS, but they aren't wearing the armor the infantry is wearing either.

In light of this debate, I would say that the regular stormtroopers are like the marines, and the elites are the Green Berets.

Stormtroopers are exactly that: fearless, ultra-loyal infantry trained and equipped for close assault. Their officers (seen on on the Tantive) wear black uniforms, different from other imp officers who wear olive green or brown. I understand them to be a distinct corps, not vastly unlike the way the Waffen SS was separate from the German 'heer' in WW2, and used very often to spearhead German offensives.

Stormies are not the only imp. footsoldiers to feature in the films. In all three OT films we see black-clad soldiers called Death Star / Imperial Navy Troopers. These guys are employed, on the DS I, on Star Destroyers and in the DS II's shield generator bunker, in a defensive/security role. As assault troops, stormtroopers don't guard prisoners in cells or stand sentinel in the corner of a SD bridge. These guys do that.

Do you mean these guys?

If so then I agree with the concept of this topic, these troopers would be much more suited to some of the missions in IA than regular stormtroopers (for instance in the "Captured","Indebted" or "Target of Opportunity"). I would see them being a much more defensive trooper than stormtroopers with more health but less attack capabilities, with their sole purpose being to defend terminals, objectives etc.

At-At or At-st pilots would have to be a trooper that could access a vehicle to give it "buffs" such as + accuracy or + surge etc.

So yes, I agree that these troopers could definitely find a place in IA.

Stormtroopers are exactly that: fearless, ultra-loyal infantry trained and equipped for close assault. Their officers (seen on on the Tantive) wear black uniforms, different from other imp officers who wear olive green or brown. I understand them to be a distinct corps, not vastly unlike the way the Waffen SS was separate from the German 'heer' in WW2, and used very often to spearhead German offensives.

Stormies are not the only imp. footsoldiers to feature in the films. In all three OT films we see black-clad soldiers called Death Star / Imperial Navy Troopers. These guys are employed, on the DS I, on Star Destroyers and in the DS II's shield generator bunker, in a defensive/security role. As assault troops, stormtroopers don't guard prisoners in cells or stand sentinel in the corner of a SD bridge. These guys do that.

Do you mean these guys?

If so then I agree with the concept of this topic, these troopers would be much more suited to some of the missions in IA than regular stormtroopers (for instance in the "Captured","Indebted" or "Target of Opportunity"). I would see them being a much more defensive trooper than stormtroopers with more health but less attack capabilities, with their sole purpose being to defend terminals, objectives etc.

At-At or At-st pilots would have to be a trooper that could access a vehicle to give it "buffs" such as + accuracy or + surge etc.

So yes, I agree that these troopers could definitely find a place in IA.

If you watch when the empire recaptures the shield generator, it was *these guys, not Stormtroopers, that capture Chewbacca. Its a split second shot so you may need to slowmo it, but its two of them and an officer relieving Chewie of his bowcaster.

The only thing that anyone could consider "exclusively EU" is the grey uniform. All that was done was look at these guys, look at the grey uniforms on the atat drivers, and extrapolate that the army must have infantry as well.

Stormtroopers are exactly that: fearless, ultra-loyal infantry trained and equipped for close assault. Their officers (seen on on the Tantive) wear black uniforms, different from other imp officers who wear olive green or brown. I understand them to be a distinct corps, not vastly unlike the way the Waffen SS was separate from the German 'heer' in WW2, and used very often to spearhead German offensives.

Stormies are not the only imp. footsoldiers to feature in the films. In all three OT films we see black-clad soldiers called Death Star / Imperial Navy Troopers. These guys are employed, on the DS I, on Star Destroyers and in the DS II's shield generator bunker, in a defensive/security role. As assault troops, stormtroopers don't guard prisoners in cells or stand sentinel in the corner of a SD bridge. These guys do that.

Do you mean these guys?

If so then I agree with the concept of this topic, these troopers would be much more suited to some of the missions in IA than regular stormtroopers (for instance in the "Captured","Indebted" or "Target of Opportunity"). I would see them being a much more defensive trooper than stormtroopers with more health but less attack capabilities, with their sole purpose being to defend terminals, objectives etc.

At-At or At-st pilots would have to be a trooper that could access a vehicle to give it "buffs" such as + accuracy or + surge etc.

So yes, I agree that these troopers could definitely find a place in IA.

Exactly those guys!

If you watch when the empire recaptures the shield generator, it was *these guys, not Stormtroopers, that capture Chewbacca. Its a split second shot so you may need to slowmo it, but its two of them and an officer relieving Chewie of his bowcaster.

The only thing that anyone could consider "exclusively EU" is the grey uniform. All that was done was look at these guys, look at the grey uniforms on the atat drivers, and extrapolate that the army must have infantry as well.

Well why are people arguing so much about this??? Of course it wasn't just stormies getting changed every so often to perform different jobs, there was actually different types of soldiers/pilots doing their assigned tasks. Death star troopers like the ones in my last post are clearly not stormtroopers in a more casual outfit.

I think that you can infer that standard infantry did exist.

Did you watch the same movies I did?

Sounds like you need to go rewatch those movies!

I WANT SOME OF THESE GUYS!!!!!!!!!

I WANT SOME OF THESES GUYS!!!!!!!!!

YESSS!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/porkins73/DeathStarOfficer.jpg

http://starforge.info/data/uploads/imperial-army/imperial-naval-trooper-new-1.jpg

http://starforge.info/data/uploads/imperial-army/imperial-naval-trooper-new-2.jpg

Yes give me some!

On the question of including them in the game I think you can maybe consider that Stormtroopers in this game do cover all the various "generic" troop types of the game (it would be pretty hard to make anything much more dreadful without becoming plain pointless...). Sometimes those stormtroopers do represent "Death Star Troopers" or "Army troopers" or whatever, much as things like Dark Troopers and the like are represented by Stormtroopers with a bunch of funky attachments on them...

Or maybe they will feature in the Endor expansion? I was presuming they would do scout troopers, but maybe they will do some of these guys instead.

Or maybe they will feature in the Endor expansion? I was presuming they would do scout troopers, but maybe they will do some of these guys instead.

No no no! I love them too! I need double or nothing! You can't have an Endor expansion without Scout troopers!

Honestly I'm rather unconcerned about the rules. its the models I care about. Even if they were just offered as an alternative sculpt for stormtroopers I'd buy up several sets.

If there is an Endor set then I could see scout troopers being the baddies in the box and naval/army troopers being an expansion pack.

Honestly I'm rather unconcerned about the rules. its the models I care about. Even if they were just offered as an alternative sculpt for stormtroopers I'd buy up several sets.

If there is an Endor set then I could see scout troopers being the baddies in the box and naval/army troopers being an expansion pack.

I agree, I would love to get an expansion for these guys that has a rule that you can replace regular stormtroopers in the beginning and reserved groups with them.

Yeah, I'm thinking replacing the base Stormtrooper unit is the best mod in this situation. Probably going to get a trio of Star Wars Minis Naval Troopers and call it a day. The folks here make a good point.

They really did put the bar really **** low with the normal stormies.

So, this is not my best work. I basically altered it from the Zuckuss I did, but I throw this out there for consideration and constructive criticism.

yes...imperial navy (need some space marines)!

much as things like Dark Troopers and the like are represented by Stormtroopers with a bunch of funky attachments on them...

Dark Troopers aren't similar to Stormtroopers at all. For one it is a droid, not a human. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_trooper

much as things like Dark Troopers and the like are represented by Stormtroopers with a bunch of funky attachments on them...

Dark Troopers aren't similar to Stormtroopers at all. For one it is a droid, not a human. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_trooper

I think he means the darktrooper phase 0's. More commonly known as battlefront darktroopers.

I'm no fan of Dark Troopers. It seemed like one of those things that are added in comics to make bigger, badder enemies. It's like Cobra in the GI Joe cartoon with Cobra troops that represent every possible species of snake. Hey, are those the new Garter Vipers?

much as things like Dark Troopers and the like are represented by Stormtroopers with a bunch of funky attachments on them...

Dark Troopers aren't similar to Stormtroopers at all. For one it is a droid, not a human. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_trooper

My point was not that they looked similar, but the way they are represented in the game is by putting appropriate attachments to generic stormtroopers so that they have appropriate abilities (from the Technological Superiority deck). So, it might be that "naval troopers" or "army troopers" are just represented by Stormtrooper miniatures, which just are used for any generic "trooper" types.

I'm no fan of Dark Troopers. It seemed like one of those things that are added in comics to make bigger, badder enemies. It's like Cobra in the GI Joe cartoon with Cobra troops that represent every possible species of snake. Hey, are those the new Garter Vipers?

The Dark Trooper project was, like the death star, an imperial super weapon project. It was the brainchild of a general obsessed with personal combat. The phase III darktrooper wasn't just a droid, it was also a power armour suit.

As to the imperial army trooper, i hope they never show up. It was a stupid idea from WEG, that has completely been, i dont want to say rerconned out, as the ONLY time I ever saw them was in the RPG, no other media - video games, comics, novels, etc. mentions them.

The stormtrooper is the infantry of the imperial army. They also have vehicle crews - guys in grey jumpsuits and helmets in the at-st. Basically, only a small section if the fandom remembers the imperial army trooper from weg. Most people want to see stormtroopers, as that is what is in the films.

Now, i do fhink the navy trooper should make an appearance at some point.

So, this is not my best work. I basically altered it from the Zuckuss I did, but I throw this out there for consideration and constructive criticism.

I really like your idea but I decided I would make a few changes to make it better/worse.

It may look vaguely familiar because I used your original image .

I may try doing an elite version at some point...

Sorry for the bad quality, I resized it wrong.

much as things like Dark Troopers and the like are represented by Stormtroopers with a bunch of funky attachments on them...

Dark Troopers aren't similar to Stormtroopers at all. For one it is a droid, not a human. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_trooper

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darktrooper

So, this is not my best work. I basically altered it from the Zuckuss I did, but I throw this out there for consideration and constructive criticism.

I really like your idea but I decided I would make a few changes to make it better/worse.

It may look vaguely familiar because I used your original image .

I may try doing an elite version at some point...

Sorry for the bad quality, I resized it wrong.

Also, Samoflange, the Army Trooper was used in the Thrawn books as garrison units alongside Chariot landspeeders.

Army troopers also made an appearance in the Rebellion video game and a number of comics. It is more likely that we might see naval troopers in the future but I am still hoping against hope for army troops. I've even started kicking around ideas for an army trooper cosplay.....

Honestly those two cards look a lot like a normal and elite version of the same unit, with a minimum of tweaking. Change the attack dice to match. Replace recover 1 with accuracy +1. Is there anyway to change "Subdue" so its usable in campaign? Non unique figure costing less than 5 is going to be improbable to use.

Also, Samoflange, the Army Trooper was used in the Thrawn books as garrison units alongside Chariot landspeeders.

Errrr... What about having a campaign and a skirmish version? The campaign version could be"Subdue: If two or more Imperial Navy Troopers are adjacent to

a hero the hero must test strength. If the hero doesn't roll at least 1 success for each adjacent trooper it cannot perform a move action, although it may still use other actions. If it succeeds the test it may move up to two spaces."

I think if mine were the elite version they should have something like ~ ~ = stun and Rikalonius one should have ~ = weaken.