Are we being politically correct about the word retarded now. Do you want me to say special Ed...what. A SSD is freaking stupid. Is stupid better or should I stick to idiotic?

Go away troll. None of us need your special snowflake attitude. If you have nothing to provide then leave.

It's too bad that you don't like trends and facts. Yes X-Wing was the first for FFG. That's why I labeled my findings as information. Information is not facts or even close. It is a theory that so far has been pretty accurate

You're the one you keeps adding the stupid "Let me once again break it down how they did it with X-wing" as if that as any bearing on the matter whatsoever. Give it a freaking break man. Broken record. Your obviously NOT a businessman--nothing wrong with that at all--because your comments reflect a reality for a first time product. As much as I dismiss the whining for new product when there is so much to explore on wave II and the endless ridiculous SDD comments, your comment about the X-wing timeline is always, always are the most annoying. Mainly because we have al heard it already and you slap that theory down as if it is to settle the matter and get all the natives to rest. Since you have nothing to provide except your canned response, how many times now, it is you who needs to--for the final time--LET it go. Let the native be restless. No one needs your theory for the tenth, twelfth, eighteenth time. We got it, we heard you. You think your smart...great. Do you need another pat on the back man. Seriously, just give it a rest. Spend more time working on your site so you can get more groupies (300+ you say--great, focus on them). The majority of your other remarks are hard enough to stomach, but your "facts" and "theory" is always presented as in such a nauseating way. For the last time, Everyone has heard your **** theory. It sucks. If it happens to work out that way it is more likely a causal relationship at best. We'll actually never know for sometme, but regardless we don't need your pontification. The factors of X-wing are just not the same business environment they are in now. And everytime I read your **** theory I am going to personally call you out for it because we are sick of it. You just sit under your beige waiting for someone to complain so you can regurgitate the same thing. Call me a troll is nothing more than he pot calling the kettle black.

Aye Lyr, but this isn't school, there is no homework, and no one is required to do or accept anything. Being right isn't an actual virtue; temperance, patience, kindness, and humility on the other hand...

But Rogue ThreEEeee!

To be fair, a SSD would be very silly in this game.

Hopefully this month we'll get a bit more news on future armada releases!

It would be an Armada Epic ship.

Apparently, you haven't looked at the diamentions of the smallest SSD, it wouldn't fit on a large 3x6 or 4x6 table so it will never happen. Those are logistics the logistics. If is was closer FF might mess with the size to attempt to fit it in, but the size it so far out of the ballpark it is not going to happen ever. Period. No theory, just fact on that one. Fantasy flight reps have even said so, so there is that as well, but people are always free to change their mind. However, Mel's miniatures is working on a 3D star killer base for the SSD folks I've heard. Unfortunately, one one needs a few squadrons as it has no blue dice to defend itself.

To be fair, a SSD would be very silly in this game.

Hopefully this month we'll get a bit more news on future armada releases!

It would be an Armada Epic ship.

Apparently, you haven't looked at the diamentions of the smallest SSD, it wouldn't fit on a large 3x6 or 4x6 table so it will never happen. Those are logistics the logistics. If is was closer FF might mess with the size to attempt to fit it in, but the size it so far out of the ballpark it is not going to happen ever. Period. No theory, just fact on that one. Fantasy flight reps have even said so, so there is that as well, but people are always free to change their mind. However, Mel's miniatures is working on a 3D star killer base for the SSD folks I've heard. Unfortunately, one one needs a few squadrons as it has no blue dice to defend itself.

Armada uses a sliding scale with all of its ships. The CR90 and Raider should be 1:7000 scale and are not.

Are we being politically correct about the word retarded now. Do you want me to say special Ed...what. A SSD is freaking stupid. Is stupid better or should I stick to idiotic?

Go away troll. None of us need your special snowflake attitude. If you have nothing to provide then leave.

It's too bad that you don't like trends and facts. Yes X-Wing was the first for FFG. That's why I labeled my findings as information. Information is not facts or even close. It is a theory that so far has been pretty accurate

You're the one you keeps adding the stupid "Let me once again break it down how they did it with X-wing" as if that as any bearing on the matter whatsoever. Give it a freaking break man. Broken record. Your obviously NOT a businessman--nothing wrong with that at all--because your comments reflect a reality for a first time product. As much as I dismiss the whining for new product when there is so much to explore on wave II and the endless ridiculous SDD comments, your comment about the X-wing timeline is always, always are the most annoying. Mainly because we have al heard it already and you slap that theory down as if it is to settle the matter and get all the natives to rest. Since you have nothing to provide except your canned response, how many times now, it is you who needs to--for the final time--LET it go. Let the native be restless. No one needs your theory for the tenth, twelfth, eighteenth time. We got it, we heard you. You think your smart...great. Do you need another pat on the back man. Seriously, just give it a rest. Spend more time working on your site so you can get more groupies (300+ you say--great, focus on them). The majority of your other remarks are hard enough to stomach, but your "facts" and "theory" is always presented as in such a nauseating way. For the last time, Everyone has heard your **** theory. It sucks. If it happens to work out that way it is more likely a causal relationship at best. We'll actually never know for sometme, but regardless we don't need your pontification. The factors of X-wing are just not the same business environment they are in now. And everytime I read your **** theory I am going to personally call you out for it because we are sick of it. You just sit under your beige waiting for someone to complain so you can regurgitate the same thing. Call me a troll is nothing more than he pot calling the kettle black.

Why don't you get over yourself.

First off FFG has a well documented history of using what works and the X-Wing model worked for them so it's highly likely that they are using the model. It's not hard to follow really.

It's not my fault that these threads have popped up in such a short time and obviously not every OP reads each of these. So get over yourself, if you hate the information that is too bad. Facts are facts

You're the one you keeps adding the stupid "Let me once again break it down how they did it with X-wing" as if that as any bearing on the matter whatsoever...

That's some top-quality ranting right there. Thumbs up. (referring to the whole post)

That might be true in a vacuum, but so is that fighters are too small to represent next to an ISD. It's conceivable that the 'epic' size could go just as far out on that end of the sliding scale as the fighters did on the smaller end. Sure we had arguments about what a Squadron actually was every week for months, and the SSD thread is something like 100 pages long. It's probably indicative of divisive scales and people's respective opinions on the issue.

Not saying it is or isn't, only that if it was that straightforward we probably wouldn't have gone through the whole rigamarole and still ended up with no resolution.

I'm not sure speculation matters much unless someone here is secretly on the design team... and if that's the case, don't you remember those great times we all had playing TIE Fighter, and those awesome MC40 light cruisers? Aaaah yes, the good old days.

She walked up to me and she asked me to dance
I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice she said 'Lulsla'
El-yew-el-ess-el-aaaaye, Lulsla!

That is the first time in my entire life i have been called liberal....

This thread took a wrong turn somewhere...

When i said silly, I didn't mean the size! Just think about the insane amount of dice you would have to chuck for every attack! It would wipe away any ship in front of it.. And at that point it would be hammer time with suicide vettes just to take the bloody thing down!

Now, going back on topic: could they be waiting for the nod from disney? Considering the fact that, alledgedly, a legends character will be appearing in rogue One.. Could it be thrawn? Only time will tell

That is the first time in my entire life i have been called liberal....

Well, you may be eligible for membership now. Shall I pull some strings to see if I can't get you in the club?

That is the first time in my entire life i have been called liberal....

Well, you may be eligible for membership now. Shall I pull some strings to see if I can't get you in the club?

When i said silly, I didn't mean the size! Just think about the insane amount of dice you would have to chuck for every attack! It would wipe away any ship in front of it.. And at that point it would be hammer time with suicide vettes just to take the bloody thing down!

Now, going back on topic: could they be waiting for the nod from disney? Considering the fact that, alledgedly, a legends character will be appearing in rogue One.. Could it be thrawn? Only time will tell

Forgive me being frank, but your opinion does not weigh in to how powerful FFG decides to make this playing piece. If and when they make one, whether it one-shots mediums is a balance decision by FFG. I doubt it would literally be the case, but having one ship that throws as much abuse as an entire Ackbar broadside list would be immensely satisfying as an Imperial player. I'd gladly go down to one activation and sink most of my fleet points for that kind of ship in my list. And that's because I miss the feeling of Power as an Imperial player... ISDs are great, but cheaper rebel ships throw just as many dice and with space for better upgrades. Thanks to Ackbar.

How far away is Rogue One? The only precedent we have for this kind of thing is when FFG kicked out their X-Wing re-release in anticipation of TFA... when we already knew that T-70s and TIE/FOs were previewed and coming a long time before the movie hit. We have snippets on Rogue One but not a lot of information...

If it's a long while yet, then FFG is not releasing active product, and why wait that long when Armada is being enormously successful? There are ships in Rebels they could use to patch holes in a wave release, even taking the SSD out of the lineup of movie canon ships left to be depicted. If I were to put money down for a wager, I'd say they didn't want to create the same long-lead time disappointment that resulted in Wave 2. They want to make sure they've secured the production for Wave 3 with enough confidence that they can make an announcement and be sure to get it to us within at least half a year.

One of my FLGS managers seemed to think the merger with Asmodee meant they had to clamp down on prerelease information. I have no information personally to know if that's true or not, but it's one explanation I've heard to cover why no information has been released yet. I have another FLGS owner acquaintance who said he was going to ask his distributors if there's any news.

Sry double post

Where is the fun in a One ship activation that just kills everything?

That is the first time in my entire life i have been called liberal....

Well, you may be eligible for membership now. Shall I pull some strings to see if I can't get you in the club?

Arn't liberals kinda at odds with The Empire? I thought you were a loyal Imperial Citizen

Shhh, I'm trying to lure him into a trap.

Where is the fun in a One ship activation that just kills everything?

The fun is in humming the Imperial March when you do so.

Where is the fun in a One ship activation that just kills everything?

The fun is in humming the Imperial March when you do so.

Waiting for an a-wing to slam into the bridge. At which point the rebel player grabs the SSD and bashes it on the closest death star

One of my FLGS managers seemed to think the merger with Asmodee meant they had to clamp down on prerelease information. I have no information personally to know if that's true or not, but it's one explanation I've heard to cover why no information has been released yet. I have another FLGS owner acquaintance who said he was going to ask his distributors if there's any news.

I was going to stay out of this thread, then I read your line here...

Me and the local shop owner were just talking about the merger last night. He believes FFG/Asmodee is a bit of a tire fire right now. Getting confirmation of prodect availability is flakey at best. He was buying through Alliance but wanted to start going directly through FFG because of the inability to get released products on time. Even with direct purchases from them, it's still hit and miss with exact dates.

He got in some Most Wanted packs yesterday, but he can't get confirmation on the rest of a Wave 6 restock. But if you look on FFG's page, its shipping. As a business owner, it makes him feel/look stupid when he can't guarantee an approximate date for his customers.

I wouldn't be surprised if the slow output of Armada is somewhat hindered by the merger. But ultimately I'd like to think they are trying to avoid the clunky releases of the game so far.

Edit- Clearly my phone hates editing quotes.

Edit II- Had to hop on my desktop this morning, this was bothering me and I fixed it. LOL!

Managing quotes on this forum is kind of... stupid. I always have trouble trying to condense the long chain of quotes into something manageable, once inadvertently making one thing said look like it was said by someone else.

Where is the fun in a One ship activation that just kills everything?

FFG is not going to create a game piece that kills everything with one activation, in spite of some believing that a valid SSD should in order to be a "Legit" SSD. No, I imagine the SSD will magnify the capabilities of the ISD, but also the problems. Taking an SSD would give you a huge (combined) dice pool but also a big footprint of points for an opponent to fill up ships with. You have one activation, two attacks, vs attacks from the number of ships an opponent can field x2 for being able to easily double-arc you. SSDs won't go anywhere fast after all, they would be literally the broadside of a barn. This is all without talking about fighters, of course.

But such a big stick ship like this pushes the Rebels back to relying on upgrade card combinations and having better fighter-bombers than the Empire, to defeat it. Rebels never lost these advantages but it feels like they don't have to rely on them now that Ackbar is helping rebel heavies and mediums hit as hard as the ISD and defend just as well, if not better. I'd just want Empire to be the king of raw ship stats, but the Rebellion to still rule in effects out of upgrade cards. Right now the Rebels have their upgrade cards that render Imperial ship perks indistinct, and I don't like that.

Which, cycling back to the topic of the OP, is why I want to hear news of Wave 3 so I have some new ships to look forward to that hopefully restore this paradigm. If an SSD, or Arquitens, or Vindicator or even Nebulon-B2 with a Neb-B's gun profile were to appear, they would hopefully all offer upgrade cards or great ship stats to restore the Empire back to having better dice pools between the two factions. But I also wouldn't be surprised that opposite of that, the Rebels get some tricky upgrade cards or officers only they have access to, to do things that would mess with Imperial supremacy without beating them at their own game.

After all, while the Empire had Vader and Fel killing fighters, the Rebellion had Luke ignoring shields to do direct damage. That's nothing the Empire has access to, but an advantage that highlights how the Rebels are supposed to overcome Imperial health-and-battery monsters like the ISD. It's not through out-shooting them, it should be through bypassing them. Then the game is whether Imperials can smash before the rebels can fatally stab.

This game was rushed and is broken. Fighters don't work, ackbar op, too complicated etc., etc. It's dying on the vine locally. I want to love it buts its on the way out. I'll miss the models.

Where is the fun in a One ship activation that just kills everything?

I get to win.

This game was rushed and is broken. Fighters don't work, ackbar op, too complicated etc., etc. It's dying on the vine locally. I want to love it buts its on the way out. I'll miss the models.

My experience is at the other end of the spectrum to yours.

Wave 3 idea:

Death Star........, I'm sure that should balance out the Akbar is OP issue...........

This game was rushed and is broken. Fighters don't work, ackbar op, too complicated etc., etc. It's dying on the vine locally. I want to love it buts its on the way out. I'll miss the models.

Sarcasm? Please.

Simmer down peeps....

Toy plastic spaceships...

/mic drop