Where was it said that it was the love between Anakin and Padme that brought down the Republic?

There's good in the prequels, there is. It is hard to look past the incredibly underperforming Haydn though. And there could've been a few choices made that would've made the series more coherent. As Gadge said: there's no overarching Big Bad. Dooku should've been around since TPM and stuck around to close to the end of RotS. If you see him scheming from the beginning you'd have more of a continuity. Make Grievous the remnants of Maul.

Starting Anakin off that young was a bit of a mistake as well, start him at a later age and you could've used the same actor for all three movies.

The rest is more cosmetic, like dialing down the humour and shooting Yoda with a tranquilizer dart.

You could even retroactively add that to special editions. .

You know. TPM was well over 15 years ago.

As the blond girl in the blue dress says.... "Let it go"...

IT STILL HURTS, BILBO!

'Qui gon jinn and Obi wan Kenobi should have been combined into one character called Obi-wan Kenobi.'

My favorite Plinkett quote.

It's been a decade and these stock jokes keep going

get over it people

You know. TPM was well over 15 years ago.

As the blond girl in the blue dress says.... "Let it go"...

IT STILL HURTS, BILBO!

What about the Ewoks? They were rubbish! You don't complain about them!

You know. TPM was well over 15 years ago.

As the blond girl in the blue dress says.... "Let it go"...

IT STILL HURTS, BILBO!

What about the Ewoks? They were rubbish! You don't complain about them!

Don't speak to me of Ewoks. Just don't. Basically if you talks about ROTJ I'm just gonna think about Luke in the throne room and the awesome space battle. Jabba and the Ewoks can just be a part of another movie for all I care. (For more info see my thread on how TFA is objectively better than ROTJ, in the off topic forum)

Okay and Sir Christopher Lloyd was ******* unbelievable, but he always is.

You know. TPM was well over 15 years ago.

As the blond girl in the blue dress says.... "Let it go"...

IT STILL HURTS, BILBO!

What about the Ewoks? They were rubbish! You don't complain about them!

The one thing about the Ewoks is that yeah, they were kiddie, yeah they were silly, but at least the film treats them with some gravity.

They get scared, they flee in terror, they die, and they grieve. That one scene from RotJ where the two Ewoks get blown up, and the second tries to wake the first up, only to realize he's dead... that scene has more emotional impact than the entire prequel trilogy. For that reason alone, I give the Ewoks a pass where I wouldn't give it to the prequels. For all the silliness of log traps and sling-mishaps, and Chewbacca Tarzanning, the Ewoks were still less silly than the Anakin/Obi Wan Looney Toons swordfight at the end of RotS, with cable swinging, and falling tower climbing and droid riding and "I've got the high ground!"ing.

... Now's a good time to point out that I was counterquoting spaced.

You know. TPM was well over 15 years ago.

As the blond girl in the blue dress says.... "Let it go"...

IT STILL HURTS, BILBO!

What about the Ewoks? They were rubbish! You don't complain about them!

Yeah? Well, Jar Jar Binks makes the Ewoks look like f...... Shaft!

You show me a scene with half as much emotional impact as this in the PT, I'll eat an ewok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBDcmVETEzE

Done.

Incidentally, now I am re watching/reading this. I am re-enjoying ROTS in the best way.

"Do not want".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBDcmVETEzE

Done.

Incidentally, now I am re watching/reading this. I am re-enjoying ROTS in the best way.

"The Presbyterian Church like enjoys you not"

that hit me hard.

Like, reach the man good good good let us attacking.

Inspirational.

It is hard to look past the incredibly underperforming Haydn though.

I don't think Hayden was underperforming, but rather that his 'wooden' acting was a conscious choice of Lucas. For better or for worse, this performance was probably exactly what was intended, and in that sense, spot on.

Smelly boy.

I wiped a tear.

The best way to enjoy Episodes I-III, like anything really, is probably to put aside your preconceptions and just watch them for what they are.

My opinions – which are just opinions and I am in no way trying to pass off as definitive fact:

Episode I: An enjoyable film. Does what it needs to in setting up the state of the Republic and the Jedi. Decent opening. The middle section feels flabby, with the Tattooine segment going on too long. The final act is great, with enjoyable battle scenes and a spectacular lightsaber battle.

Episode II: Poor. Again, a strong opening, and the Obi-Wan parts of the movie more or less work, apart from too much reliance on CGI and Ewan McGregor's clear discomfort in places. The Anakin/Padmé storyline is dire. Terrible dialogue, poor plotting and forced humour. The film gets back into gear in the arena scene, which is Natalie Portman's best performance (and best look!) in the trilogy, and a spine-tingling moment when the Jedi arrive. The rest of the movie is a rollicking action ride with a flat and rushed ending.

Episode III: Best opening of any movie in the series – yes, I think it's better than Hoth. Again, the Obi-Wan elements of the middle act are good, especially the confrontation with Grievous. Anakin's story feels rushed and his decision in Palpatine's office doesn't feel realistic. Credit to Christensen – he makes Anakin feel like a broken man from that point on. I love the final act as well – I know many people dislike the Anakin/Obi-Wan and Yoda/Sidious battles, but I think they work nicely, poor dialogue aside. and the last twenty minutes are simple Star Wars joy, tying the two trilogies together nicely.

This comes from a place of rewatching the entire saga (All six movies, all six seasons (and the movie) of The Clone Wars and the first season of Rebels) over the summer with my partner, who had never seen them. I let go of my preconceptions and watched it all with new eyes.

The best thing about the Clone Wars is how much better it makes the two bracketing movies.

My wife intensely dislikes the battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin, not for the battle itself but for the ending. Leaving Anakin to slowly die on the edge of the lava stream is, she feels, unlike a Jedi and Obi-Wan in particular.

The opening of RotS is wonderful (not a big fan of buzzdroids, but okay). But ANH has the best opening. Won't budge on that. .

The real question is...

What's the best way to enjoy breakfast?

The real question is...

What's the best way to enjoy breakfast?

By moving it to a more decent hour and calling it lunch.

The best thing about the Clone Wars is how much better it makes the two bracketing movies.

My wife intensely dislikes the battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin, not for the battle itself but for the ending. Leaving Anakin to slowly die on the edge of the lava stream is, she feels, unlike a Jedi and Obi-Wan in particular.

The opening of RotS is wonderful (not a big fan of buzzdroids, but okay). But ANH has the best opening. Won't budge on that. .

Wouldn't ask you to.

I agree that one of the many, many wonderful things about The Clone Wars is how it gives extra depth and meaning to Revenge of the Sith, but I would venture that Obi-Wan did the only thing he – that character – could there. He had, realistically, three choices:

1) Step in and finish Anakin with a clean blow

2) Leave him and walk away

3) Scoop up the barbecued remains and take them back to the ship to try and stabilise and heal up.

1) would be totally out of character, and Obi-Wan's heart was already broken. He couldn't kill his best friend, a man he had grown to love, in cold blood. And if he could, he wouldn't be Obi-Wan, a character of compassion and love, not any more

2) was what he did, as we know.

3) was also out of the question. Anakin had made it totally clear that he was beyond any hope of being redeemed by Obi-Wan or Padmé. Saving his life would only mean that he would remain a threat.

I could stomach the Prequels if they were at least self contained garbage. Even with all the bad writing, Obi-Wan's story being pointless filler etc. I could enjoy it as an action movie.

But my problems run deeper than that, because it ruins all the old Star Wars characters and imagery.

"Wars not make one great". Oh is that so Yoda? Why do you command soldiers and wield a lethal weapon then?

Anakin Skywalker was a great and noble Jedi and a good friend? How about a whiny selfish sarcastic man-baby who was tricked into becoming evil and then murdered some children? Stellar job.

Oh, and btw, the Force is basically an STD k bye.

"Wars not make one great". Oh is that so Yoda? Why do you command soldiers and wield a lethal weapon then?

Well that isn't entirely unreasonable, the fall of his order probably made him rethink a lot of things.

Midi-chlorians are basically sci-fi mitochondria, not viruses.

"Without (them) life would not exist".

You show me a scene with half as much emotional impact as this in the PT, I'll eat an ewok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFa014b6EBk

One **** Ewok gets all these precious seconds of screen time so we can weep, and Alderaan gets exactly one second of screen time before the whole world is gone. Yeah, seems fair.

Btw Ewoks would totally eat everyone of us if they had the chance.