I'd rather see her in an X-Wing if she has to fly something. Already see too many Y-Wings.
Yeah, but how many named Ys?
I really don't care if they are named or not, still too many of them. I'd rather there were more X-Wings, hardly see *any* of them.
Putting her in an x-wing won't change that until aces can reposition.
Didn't she fly a Y-wing in RTOJ novel. After they recuse Han in the deleted sand storm scene, there is a Y-wing that Leia used to get to Tattonie.
I would like to see a Leia pilot in the same wave with an Obi-Wan crew card.
For her crew card, I have been looking at making use of her in a bombing squad to be able to K-turn multiple ships (Y-Wings) and drop proximity mines in someone's face. I also wanted to include Sabine crew as well for an added twist, but I couldn't get the list to work at 100 points. The number of bombing ships was just too underwhelming. Unless going beyond 100, I cannot see it as that viable for a one turn effect.
I'd rather see her in an X-Wing if she has to fly something. Already see too many Y-Wings.
Yeah, but how many named Ys?
I really don't care if they are named or not, still too many of them. I'd rather there were more X-Wings, hardly see *any* of them.
Putting her in an x-wing won't change that until aces can reposition.
Meh, they can release her in Rebel Veterans with an X-Wing title that gives it the boost action. Job done.
For her crew card, I have been looking at making use of her in a bombing squad to be able to K-turn multiple ships (Y-Wings) and drop proximity mines in someone's face.
She might be better off with a squad of Bed, though even better in Epic. People tend to forget about that. Not every card has to be useful in a standard dogfight format.
In my book she already flies a T-70.
In my book she'll always be royalty.
So, a crew slot on a Y Wing with an ICT?
So you've got a Tactician and R3-A2 dishing out two stress at the cost of one stress at a time, allowing you to get rid of it through any number of means to keep access to the actions.
I'll pass, thanks.
Multiple Stress & Ion inducing Y-Wings in the same list are also a possibility, for an extra helping of scary.
I was waiting for this.
Sure you can throw 9 points of stuff on there, on top of whatever Leia costs and all the other stuff you're going to want to put on there. I'd say yes, that sounds powerful, but it's a Y-Wing. R3A2 only works in arc, same for Tactician. So if you would like to try and run it like a Stresshog you are more than welcome, but you're really better off putting that droid on a BTL A4, not the S3. Panic Attack is a thing and that didn't break the bank. Why would multiple stress inducing Y-Wings be any different?
I think this is just a knee jerk reaction to something that looks a little OP, but in reality it isn't. Sure double stress for only one stress is going to be powerful, but good luck getting that to happen more than once a game. The S3 Title doesn't force you to shoot in arc, so you have to weigh that freedom of fire against whether or not you'd like the option (for 9 points) to hand out stress.
Personally I'd just put Rec Spec on her and call it a day.
Though really, your choice of crew ought to synchronize with your EPT.
At any rate, if giving the Y-Wing crew is somehow too OP (which I don't think it is) then maybe someone has some better ideas? I can't see any reason why you wouldn't want crew in a Y-Wing. It's thematic, it opens up more gameplay options and the option for more crew cards. I was thinking about putting a cap on S3 crew cost, but really if people want to pay 7 points for a crew, be my guest.
Anyways, can we get some more discussion on Leia's Y-Wing?
Considering that Leia in action was a crack shot (shooting Stormtroopers through the eyepiece), I would go with having an evil shooty ability.
You post a title in the OP but don't want to talk about it. Okay.
Taking away the arc restriction on the title makes it even better because now it's still useful after you've been passed.
Yeah, she was a pretty good shot with that blaster, and a hell of a speeder bike jockey too. You don't get that kind of training hangin around listening to spaceboy bands and practicing table manners. No Leia is a troopa!
Also, this is why I figured give her a shooty ability too. She helps her pals, but she also kicks serious ass. Giving her extra oomph on her ICT seems fun!
You post a title in the OP but don't want to talk about it. Okay.
Taking away the arc restriction on the title makes it even better because now it's still useful after you've been passed.
We did though. You said crew was no good. I refute that saying you pay too much for the ability of that combo, and it's self neutering. Trust me, I fly an ICT stresshog plenty and I'd much rather have the R3 arc to work with. And even if you do use that combo, as you said the ship is not limited by arc. Is this really a bonus though or is it just evidence of the limitations of a stress build? Sure, you can pay 9 points to dole out stress. But if you really want to do that, why on earth waste the R3A2 on Leia? Put that droid in a cheaper ship.
I felt like it was a moot point Dagonet. Yes, you could make a powerful stress build, but I say it only seems powerful and if you use that tactic on this Y-Wing, you'll be sorely disappointed. Also, I don't think these two Y-Wings ought to have the same cost. The S3 title should cost something as well as the 5 points for the ICT, and that's to help avoid situations like this where you CAN put Tactician on it and have it be equal to the stresshog build. That's not what I'm going for. If you want to do that, it should cost an arm and a leg, crazy builds like that should be made invalid by their sheer cost.
It's not that don't want to talk about potential downfalls, but I felt like I had addressed your concern well enough and I don't really want to get bogged down on one point of problem.
I like the idea as Leia as a pilot for totally different reasons. Sure, she is a central figure in the franchise and she should have more of a presence in the game.
But I like Leia, because she is a leader not an ace. What sort of ability do you give a leader? You give her a buff. Something like Lando's ability. I love ships that buff each other. They make for lots of fun possibilities in the game, and I feel like they are a very rebel thing.
I'm with her flying the N1. Reasonably regal.
I like the idea as Leia as a pilot for totally different reasons. Sure, she is a central figure in the franchise and she should have more of a presence in the game.
But I like Leia, because she is a leader not an ace. What sort of ability do you give a leader? You give her a buff. Something like Lando's ability. I love ships that buff each other. They make for lots of fun possibilities in the game, and I feel like they are a very rebel thing.
I agree Leia should not be some hotshot pilot, but provide more of a leadership/support role. I mean, she is more of a politician after all. So I'd recommended having her reduce stress on all friendly ships at range 1-2 or hand out free focus tokens or target locks. But any sort of buff would probably be thematic.
And for a lot of you posters... Why would you just arbitrarily have Leia in the N1 (?!?) or the X-Wing? We're talking about a character who has been shown time and time again to fly a Y-Wing. I understand a ton of you people "need" your X-Wing fix, thus want any and everything to belong to the T-65... But c'mon now. Ha.
PS - A Leia minifig even came with the most recent Y-Wing LEGO set. 
PS - A Leia minifig even came with the most recent Y-Wing LEGO set.
That's a strong independent lego fig right there.
I like the idea as Leia as a pilot for totally different reasons. Sure, she is a central figure in the franchise and she should have more of a presence in the game.
But I like Leia, because she is a leader not an ace. What sort of ability do you give a leader? You give her a buff. Something like Lando's ability. I love ships that buff each other. They make for lots of fun possibilities in the game, and I feel like they are a very rebel thing.
I agree Leia should not be some hotshot pilot, but provide more of a leadership/support role. I mean, she is more of a politician after all. So I'd recommended having her reduce stress on all friendly ships at range 1-2 or hand out free focus tokens or target locks. But any sort of buff would probably be thematic.
And for a lot of you posters... Why would you just arbitrarily have Leia in the N1 (?!?) or the X-Wing? We're talking about a character who has been shown time and time again to fly a Y-Wing. I understand a ton of you people "need" your X-Wing fix, thus want any and everything to belong to the T-65... But c'mon now. Ha.
Now, be fair to me here at least.
I honestly had no idea about the whole Y-Wing thing. It's not so arbitrary for her to pilot an N1, nor an X-Wing, but if she outright prefers a Y-Wing, hey. That's really pretty cool.
I like the idea as Leia as a pilot for totally different reasons. Sure, she is a central figure in the franchise and she should have more of a presence in the game.
But I like Leia, because she is a leader not an ace. What sort of ability do you give a leader? You give her a buff. Something like Lando's ability. I love ships that buff each other. They make for lots of fun possibilities in the game, and I feel like they are a very rebel thing.
I agree Leia should not be some hotshot pilot, but provide more of a leadership/support role. I mean, she is more of a politician after all. So I'd recommended having her reduce stress on all friendly ships at range 1-2 or hand out free focus tokens or target locks. But any sort of buff would probably be thematic.
And for a lot of you posters... Why would you just arbitrarily have Leia in the N1 (?!?) or the X-Wing? We're talking about a character who has been shown time and time again to fly a Y-Wing. I understand a ton of you people "need" your X-Wing fix, thus want any and everything to belong to the T-65... But c'mon now. Ha.
Leia should pilot a T-65 because that's what she flies in the Dark Horse comics Star Wars series.
The Brian Wood series?
You mean that incredibly short-lived series (that showed up right before Disney bought Lucasfilm) in which Leia was suddenly some kind of fighter ace leading stealth missions?
Yeah, no thanks.
I'll take the prior decades-old continuity in which she piloted a Y-Wing (really more for quick travel) in "Splinter of the Mind's Eye," the entirety of the Marvel comics series, and the RotJ backstory.
You mean that incredibly short-lived series (that showed up right before Disney bought Lucasfilm) in which Leia was suddenly some kind of fighter ace leading stealth missions?
Yeah, no thanks.
I'll take the prior decades-old continuity in which she piloted a Y-Wing (really more for quick travel) in "Splinter of the Mind's Eye," the entirety of the Marvel comics series, and the RotJ backstory.
The artwork was actually pretty decent though.
You mean that incredibly short-lived series (that showed up right before Disney bought Lucasfilm) in which Leia was suddenly some kind of fighter ace leading stealth missions?
Yeah, no thanks.
I'll take the prior decades-old continuity in which she piloted a Y-Wing (really more for quick travel) in "Splinter of the Mind's Eye," the entirety of the Marvel comics series, and the RotJ backstory.
The artwork was actually pretty decent though.
The art was good. The writing, less so.
I like the idea as Leia as a pilot for totally different reasons. Sure, she is a central figure in the franchise and she should have more of a presence in the game.
But I like Leia, because she is a leader not an ace. What sort of ability do you give a leader? You give her a buff. Something like Lando's ability. I love ships that buff each other. They make for lots of fun possibilities in the game, and I feel like they are a very rebel thing.
I agree Leia should not be some hotshot pilot, but provide more of a leadership/support role. I mean, she is more of a politician after all. So I'd recommended having her reduce stress on all friendly ships at range 1-2 or hand out free focus tokens or target locks. But any sort of buff would probably be thematic.
And for a lot of you posters... Why would you just arbitrarily have Leia in the N1 (?!?) or the X-Wing? We're talking about a character who has been shown time and time again to fly a Y-Wing. I understand a ton of you people "need" your X-Wing fix, thus want any and everything to belong to the T-65... But c'mon now. Ha.
Now, be fair to me here at least.
I honestly had no idea about the whole Y-Wing thing. It's not so arbitrary for her to pilot an N1, nor an X-Wing, but if she outright prefers a Y-Wing, hey. That's really pretty cool.
it's not like we haven't had Pilots in fighter's other than their preference..
Tycho Celchu (preferred X-wings, only flew an A-wing because it was what was available at Endor, according to the novels)
Corran Horn (preferred X-wings, had his own private X-wing. never flew an E-wing in any of the fiction, though the unit he was with did in stories he did not appear in)
Guri (never flew a Starviper ever in any story she appeared in. had a custom armed yacht instead)
etc.
plus the advantage of giving her the N-1 is that it allows a new fighter to be brought in. and that would help avoid strengthening the current Meta too much with yet more Y-wing's.
the N-1 has a couple named pilots from the original trilogy and later periods, and a couple squadron names, thanks to both canon and Legends content. no reason you couldn't mix and match a bit too if it helps build a full Expansion.
The space banana is one of the most garbage ship designs in the PT. Please no and no thank you.
Also, the only reason Corran, Tycho, Ibtisam (though she really liked B-wings) are in the "wrong" ships is due to a dearth of named pilots for those ships, and a vast surplus of X-wing pilots to tap. For this reason it wouldn't really be surprising to see Luke in an E-wing in the inevitable Rebel Vets.
Bottom line, Leia belongs in a Y-wing, and in the distant future when Y-wings get more than two uniques per that's where she should go.
Tycho Celchu (preferred X-wings, only flew an A-wing because it was what was available at Endor, according to the novels)
His skillset did end up becoming "better suited to A-Wing" though (given his previous career as a TIE pilot). From Aaron Allston's FAQ:
Why does Tycho get shot down so much? He's better than that!
Tycho gets shot down three times in Starfighters of Adumar, once virtually (in simulated combat) and twice for real. A lot of readers wonder whether I just have no idea of how good Tycho is (I do), whether I have it in for him (I don't), or what's going on.
Basically, two of the downings take place when he's flying Blade aircraft, which are described as lumbering, not very maneuverable. After reviewing Tycho's flying history (training originally in TIEs, moving to A-Wings and X-Wings when he moved to the Rebel Alliance) and his performance in I, Jedi, I concluded that Tycho's strengths as a pilot might not translate so well to less maneuverable spacecraft. In short, Blades, Y-Wings and the lot can't really keep up with the speed of his own physical reactions.