I think the only reason Wyrd and Privateer Press did the card packs was to actually update the cards from version to version. I don't ever see FFG following this model.

Although it is worth mentioning that Wild West Exodus used to have a card order for their model cards but have since nixed that and moved to a purely digital (and free IIRC) download of the model cards because they were constantly tweaking them. But that was probably because it would be ultimately cheaper for them since they wouldn't have to keep reprinting cards with updated rules/stats.

Ultimately, I think the way things are now is fine. They don't sell individual LCG cards so if there is 1 card in a pack that you want for your deck, you still have to buy the entire pack. Same principle.

I am curious to see how it works out for Wyrd though before I say for certain.

Even if it works out for them that doesn't mean much. Unles they've made some fairly major changes to how the game works since last time I played.

Part of FFG's system is that you need the cards to play the game. Officially they're no different then the model or the tokens. They're required components, but some or even most are ok with proxies in casual games anyway.

So FFG puts some cards in some expansions and others in different ones because they know those cards will help sell those expansions. Any sort of system that lets people buy cards directly from FFG will hurt the sales of the expansions, because they won't buy a 3rd or 6th MC-30 for the sake of a single card.

It's possible that with Armada the higher price on expansions means card packs or something may actually work. But that is something any of us can only make wild guesses at and the posts here by and large will change nothing. FFG will do whatever is best for FFG.

When the game first came out I had wished that they would have gone the route of card packs because I was concerned that the game would follow the xwing model of having to buy multiple ships for a card to remain competitive with list building.

I've since changed my opinion and would be fine of they did release packs and am fine if they don't.

The game is very competitive right now no matter if you have a bunch of xi-7's or not for example. It's one of the great things about this game and what I often tell people who I demo the game with as a selling point.

I think the only reason Wyrd and Privateer Press did the card packs was to actually update the cards from version to version. I don't ever see FFG following this model.

Although it is worth mentioning that Wild West Exodus used to have a card order for their model cards but have since nixed that and moved to a purely digital (and free IIRC) download of the model cards because they were constantly tweaking them. But that was probably because it would be ultimately cheaper for them since they wouldn't have to keep reprinting cards with updated rules/stats.

Ultimately, I think the way things are now is fine. They don't sell individual LCG cards so if there is 1 card in a pack that you want for your deck, you still have to buy the entire pack. Same principle.

Wyrd started out producing the card packs themselves (at a cost detrimental them) as a bridge from 1st to 2nd. But they have within the last couple months stopped production of the packs and started a print on demand service meant to be permanent, not only a a conversion tool but also as a means of replacing lost and damaged cards.

I am curious to see how it works out for Wyrd though before I say for certain.

Even if it works out for them that doesn't mean much. Unles they've made some fairly major changes to how the game works since last time I played.

Part of FFG's system is that you need the cards to play the game. Officially they're no different then the model or the tokens. They're required components, but some or even most are ok with proxies in casual games anyway.

So FFG puts some cards in some expansions and others in different ones because they know those cards will help sell those expansions. Any sort of system that lets people buy cards directly from FFG will hurt the sales of the expansions, because they won't buy a 3rd or 6th MC-30 for the sake of a single card.

It's possible that with Armada the higher price on expansions means card packs or something may actually work. But that is something any of us can only make wild guesses at and the posts here by and large will change nothing. FFG will do whatever is best for FFG.

Wyrd requires the stat cards and upgrade cards for you models in order to use them just like FFG. Likewise certain upgrades can only be found in certain boxes. The only difference is that Wyrd allows photo copies even in official events. If Wyrd allows photo copies and still manages to make a print on demand service profitable (while being a smaller company with a much smaller brand than Star Wars), then I don't think FFG would have problems making such a system a success themselves. But again, I want to see if Wyrd is able to pull it off.

I think the only reason Wyrd and Privateer Press did the card packs was to actually update the cards from version to version. I don't ever see FFG following this model.

Although it is worth mentioning that Wild West Exodus used to have a card order for their model cards but have since nixed that and moved to a purely digital (and free IIRC) download of the model cards because they were constantly tweaking them. But that was probably because it would be ultimately cheaper for them since they wouldn't have to keep reprinting cards with updated rules/stats.

Ultimately, I think the way things are now is fine. They don't sell individual LCG cards so if there is 1 card in a pack that you want for your deck, you still have to buy the entire pack. Same principle.

Wyrd started out producing the card packs themselves (at a cost detrimental them) as a bridge from 1st to 2nd. But they have within the last couple months stopped production of the packs and started a print on demand service meant to be permanent, not only a a conversion tool but also as a means of replacing lost and damaged cards.

I am curious to see how it works out for Wyrd though before I say for certain.

Even if it works out for them that doesn't mean much. Unles they've made some fairly major changes to how the game works since last time I played.

Part of FFG's system is that you need the cards to play the game. Officially they're no different then the model or the tokens. They're required components, but some or even most are ok with proxies in casual games anyway.

So FFG puts some cards in some expansions and others in different ones because they know those cards will help sell those expansions. Any sort of system that lets people buy cards directly from FFG will hurt the sales of the expansions, because they won't buy a 3rd or 6th MC-30 for the sake of a single card.

It's possible that with Armada the higher price on expansions means card packs or something may actually work. But that is something any of us can only make wild guesses at and the posts here by and large will change nothing. FFG will do whatever is best for FFG.

Wyrd requires the stat cards and upgrade cards for you models in order to use them just like FFG. Likewise certain upgrades can only be found in certain boxes. The only difference is that Wyrd allows photo copies even in official events. If Wyrd allows photo copies and still manages to make a print on demand service profitable (while being a smaller company with a much smaller brand than Star Wars), then I don't think FFG would have problems making such a system a success themselves. But again, I want to see if Wyrd is able to pull it off.

FFGs packaging has always been a tactic in order to bolster sales. It helps them move more units then they would otherwise be able to. I imagine it was actually thought up as a way to maintain profit while keeping the price tags below a certain point on the actual product. Move more units and guarantee sales of every SKU, it allows them to keep prices to a point where they are overwhelming perception wise.

I don't have a problem with it as pointed out there isn't any single upgrade for this or X-wing that you must own to play the game in a competitive setting. If I want to run TLT Y-wing Spam, yeah I need to buy the needed upgrade cards, but that isn't the only competitive X-wing list available so not even in the loosest terms of "forced" and I forced to buy extra TLTs. Same goes for insert whatever Armada upgrade. Also they develop some niche ships that otherwise wouldn't likely get made as they wouldn't sell enough to validate the development and fabrication costs.

Also Lys, you should employ a fact checker for your YouTube exploits. Keep the gaffes from slipping through. And no, not me.

I think the only reason Wyrd and Privateer Press did the card packs was to actually update the cards from version to version. I don't ever see FFG following this model.

Although it is worth mentioning that Wild West Exodus used to have a card order for their model cards but have since nixed that and moved to a purely digital (and free IIRC) download of the model cards because they were constantly tweaking them. But that was probably because it would be ultimately cheaper for them since they wouldn't have to keep reprinting cards with updated rules/stats.

Ultimately, I think the way things are now is fine. They don't sell individual LCG cards so if there is 1 card in a pack that you want for your deck, you still have to buy the entire pack. Same principle.

Wyrd started out producing the card packs themselves (at a cost detrimental them) as a bridge from 1st to 2nd. But they have within the last couple months stopped production of the packs and started a print on demand service meant to be permanent, not only a a conversion tool but also as a means of replacing lost and damaged cards.

I am curious to see how it works out for Wyrd though before I say for certain.

Even if it works out for them that doesn't mean much. Unles they've made some fairly major changes to how the game works since last time I played.

Part of FFG's system is that you need the cards to play the game. Officially they're no different then the model or the tokens. They're required components, but some or even most are ok with proxies in casual games anyway.

So FFG puts some cards in some expansions and others in different ones because they know those cards will help sell those expansions. Any sort of system that lets people buy cards directly from FFG will hurt the sales of the expansions, because they won't buy a 3rd or 6th MC-30 for the sake of a single card.

It's possible that with Armada the higher price on expansions means card packs or something may actually work. But that is something any of us can only make wild guesses at and the posts here by and large will change nothing. FFG will do whatever is best for FFG.

Wyrd requires the stat cards and upgrade cards for you models in order to use them just like FFG. Likewise certain upgrades can only be found in certain boxes. The only difference is that Wyrd allows photo copies even in official events. If Wyrd allows photo copies and still manages to make a print on demand service profitable (while being a smaller company with a much smaller brand than Star Wars), then I don't think FFG would have problems making such a system a success themselves. But again, I want to see if Wyrd is able to pull it off.

Wyrd is also a much smaller company not producing a product from likely the most expensive IP available.

FFGs packaging has always been a tactic in order to bolster sales. It helps them move more units then they would otherwise be able to. I imagine it was actually thought up as a way to maintain profit while keeping the price tags below a certain point on the actual product. Move more units and guarantee sales of every SKU, it allows them to keep prices to a point where they are overwhelming perception wise.

I don't have a problem with it as pointed out there isn't any single upgrade for this or X-wing that you must own to play the game in a competitive setting. If I want to run TLT Y-wing Spam, yeah I need to buy the needed upgrade cards, but that isn't the only competitive X-wing list available so not even in the loosest terms of "forced" and I forced to buy extra TLTs. Same goes for insert whatever Armada upgrade. Also they develop some niche ships that otherwise wouldn't likely get made as they wouldn't sell enough to validate the development and fabrication costs.

Also Lys, you should employ a fact checker for your YouTube exploits. Keep the gaffes from slipping through. And no, not me.

Yes, the Star Wars IP is more expensive (especially since they don't actually own it while Wyrd owns their own IPs). However it is also far more popular to the point where its practically printing money to make decent looking Star Wars merch.

I see those wanting extra cards split into 3 main groups.

1. Those who just want the card(s) and will not purchase anything else to get them seeing it as a waste of money (currently they turn to 3rd party or don't buy anything extra at all).

2. Those who are willing to buy extra stuff, though they would prefer not to, but are also FFG loyalists who will not deal with 3rd party markets.

3. Those who will buy extra ships to get cards because they see the total package as an overall better deal for their $.

If FFG provides a 1st party way to get extra cards (whatever that may be), they gain group 1. Group 2s spending shifts, while group 3 is not going anywhere. Group 1 is certainly a win FFG. Group 2 is hard to calculate and will differ from individual to individual. More net profit could be gained from someone buying a fist full of cards versus 1-2 ships. Likewise money would be lost if someone only bought 1 card versus the 1 ship they would have bought before. And that is without getting into the actual sizes of those 3 groups relative to each other (does group 2 make up 10% of the consumer base? Does group 3 make up 20%?) It is a complicated and interesting scenario.

Also Lys, you should employ a fact checker for your YouTube exploits. Keep the gaffes from slipping through. And no, not me.

AverageBoss "I am curious to see how it works out for Wyrd though before I say for certain."

are talking about 2nd edition malifaux cards?

AverageBoss "I am curious to see how it works out for Wyrd though before I say for certain."

are talking about 2nd edition malifaux cards?

Yes. Within the past couple months they have ceased production of the card packs (they were losing money on those). But they have just started up a print on demand service through a 3rd party.

Yeah, I'm officially sorry I brought this up

I was lick I got a card pack. It came with 3 flight controllers, 3x-17s, 2 boosted coms and expanded hangers, and I think four EMCs ....might have been three. Anyway, 50 cards for $15 plus tax. Awesome. Glad I went to the event. Bummer they decided not to release them to the general publicl when I bought it I thought they were and almost passed up on the idea because cash in wallet was lacking and only and they were not taking credit card. Good thing I went to Atlanta and had a buddy who brought cash. If I knew they were not doing card packs anymore I would have gone to the ATM.

AverageBoss "I am curious to see how it works out for Wyrd though before I say for certain."

are talking about 2nd edition malifaux cards?

Yes. Within the past couple months they have ceased production of the card packs (they were losing money on those). But they have just started up a print on demand service through a 3rd party.

AverageBoss "I am curious to see how it works out for Wyrd though before I say for certain."

are talking about 2nd edition malifaux cards?

Yes. Within the past couple months they have ceased production of the card packs (they were losing money on those). But they have just started up a print on demand service through a 3rd party.

those card packs are call Arsenal deck were for people who play and had models from the fist edition. cards had the changes

from first edition to 2ed edition. it was so old player didn't have to buy the new models to get the new stat cards.

" Within the past couple months they have ceased production of the card packs (they were losing money on those)"

not true the interest in the cards had dried up so they stop production on them and they felt if people have not gotten the

card by now you weren't interested in playing the game anymore or they interested in buying the new models.

as I play malifaux I have some old and new models and I need to pick up those Arsenal deck to update my models with the new stat cards.

AverageBoss "I am curious to see how it works out for Wyrd though before I say for certain."

are talking about 2nd edition malifaux cards?

Yes. Within the past couple months they have ceased production of the card packs (they were losing money on those). But they have just started up a print on demand service through a 3rd party.

those card packs are call Arsenal deck were for people who play and had models from the fist edition. cards had the changes

from first edition to 2ed edition. it was so old player didn't have to buy the new models to get the new stat cards.

" Within the past couple months they have ceased production of the card packs (they were losing money on those)"

not true the interest in the cards had dried up so they stop production on them and they felt if people have not gotten the

card by now you weren't interested in playing the game anymore or they interested in buying the new models.

as I play malifaux I have some old and new models and I need to pick up those Arsenal deck to update my models with the new stat cards.

I know they were an edition transfer tool. I said so in my post.

And yes, they lost money on the packs, they stated so in the thread where they announced the on-demand printing.

You want to know why they don't sell card packs.

2016 Spring Tournament Kit

If they did, they would have less use for putting valuable upgrade cards in kits.

I bow to your logic, I've spent $30 to a third party so far. I keep finding more and multiple cards I need as I try new lists. Bet it'll be $100 by this time next year, but if that's who I have to buy from. Not arguing, I don't like it like this, but that's how it is.

P.S. I can buy any of those "special" tournament cards if I find ones I want.