From my point of view, I think that 15-20 euro a small ship and 30-40 a large one is not a bad price. Not cheap, but OK. I say very often "buy ships, not cards, unless you want to go Pro". If you are a 16 years old student, if you can invest 100 euro you can play x wing. If you are lucky and you have no job problems, probably yoi can expend 50-100 euro each month in your hobby, to build your fleet.

This weekend I was in a bar, and one guy told me that, no offence intended, it was quite childish to invest thousand of euros in starships. He owns a custom Enduro bike and a small boat. Everybody needs a hobby. I am a non adventurer person, I obtain pleasure purchasing my ships and games, arranging them in the shelves and playing. It is...relaxing. I do not own a bike or a BMW, don't need them, no motor fan. But if one guy who invest 15.000 euro in a bike tells me that my Hobby is a nonsense... I smile and drink my beer

Well its relative.

TBH neither of you are 'investing' anything other than 'time in return for fun' from either of your hobbys. Xwing is hardly likely to reach collectable sums in the future and his bike and boat depreciate in value the moment he buys them.

If he holds onto them for 30 or more years and they are considered classics then he may make some return.

I dont consider 'xwing' an investment. Other hobbies i do.

Firstly i collect militaria for my job and as a hobby. This stuff rockets in value if you know what you are buying. Buy something with the right manufacture dates for a major war (WWi , WWII, , vietnam, Soviets in afghanistan, falklands etc) and it only EVER increases in value as surviving examples get lost and fall apart. Equally buy kit from 'historic regimes'. For example in about 1991 i bought a full east german border guards uniform for UK GBP £10 and you'd stuggle to get the shirt on its own for that thes days, what used to be 'common junk' is now becomming rare as it was made by a country that no longer exists. SImilaly i had a soviet sniper suit brought back from Afghanistan in the 90s for £15 with locally made insignia on it... the insignia alone is worth five times that now. In general 'communist' items are shooting up in value to the point where people are making fakes of soviet and east german kit these days

My wife and i collect Lego, we make it up but keep the boxs and instructions. All lego is only on sale for a year or two at most so 'limitied edition' in nature. When we got married the 'town hall' modular set was uk GBP £120. You now cant find one boxed for less that £300 and thats only a year and half old.

Lastly if you want to 'invest' in 'wargames' you buy old lead citadel from the 80s (and again choose your ranges carefully). I have a 'piscean warrior' miniature that cost about £1 in 1987. It now fetches at least £70 on ebay.

Those are investments to a degree with expected returns. The scale/popularity of xwing means what you're actually doing is *blowing* your money on a hobby, and there is nothing wrong with that.

You are incredibly unlikely to ever sell a used and played with xwing ship for more than you paid for it (over time, im not talking about like buying up stocks of falcons and gouging other players short term) as long as FFG keep everything 'on sale' and 'in game'. If for example they stop making the tantive tomorrow but c3p0 is still a valid card, or stop making the raider but keep palpatine in the game you might see the value of those sets go up.

I could be wrong and they could be collectors pieces in 30 years but there are much safer bets out there.

If it makes you happy its money well spent, all hobbies are luxuries.

edit: of course none of these are 'truly' safe investments. a good example is with militaria.

Pre 1990 Swiss combat gear was extortionately expensive. A ruined jacket could cost you over £100 and a good one £300 *If* you could find it as the swiss were terrified the russians would use surplus kit to infiltrate their defence forces.. A few years later communism fell and the swiss changed their camo and you couldnt give swiss kit away. But on the whole historical collectibles are the safest bet (miltary or otherwise) if you want a hobby you can profit from if you get bored from it or want something valuable to leave to your kids... just make sure they *know* its valuable and dont chuck out 'dads old war crap' when you die

I once had a guy offer me some WWII german insignia his grandad had given him, he wanted £10 for it, i turned him down as it was original and worth a hell of a lot more and i thought it should stay in his family and not get sold for pennies because he had no idea what it was worth.

It's not an investment.

That's where that guy went wrong in the first place.

20 euro's for a StarViper, if that particular expansion pack provides me with four hours of pleasure I'm running a profit right there, when compared to movies.

As i said you're 'investing' money for time and pleasure but if the other guy thinks that a motor vehicle that depreciates the second he drives it off the forecourt is a 'financial' investment he's deluding himself.

I used to rate the 'value' of stuff at

if i used it once, wore it once or got an hours enjoyment out of it for every pound i spent on it it was money well spent.

If i say bought a £30 playstation game and played it once, then thats a poor use of my cash.

Fallout 3 on the other hand cost me £10 an d i played it for about 200 hours

I look at my X-Wing purchases like I do my board game purchases: cost vs replay value. Is the money I'm investing into the game equal to the amount of time I will spend replaying the game. I see a lot of replay value with X-wing so it's worth it to me.

Investing:

Hobby:

Crack cocaine:

KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!

Cool dices !!! What game ???

Cool dices !!! What game ???

Marvel Dice Masters: Avengers Vs X-men.

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/148575/marvel-dice-masters-avengers-vs-x-men

They also got sets of DC super heroes, Yugioh and Dungeons & Dragons.

Its designed by Eric Lang, ie the guy who designed half of FFGs living card games.

Thanks !!! I am not a superguys fan... But love D&D

Being a musician puts things into perspective. I spend about as much on X-Wing as i would have for a middle class guitar right now and I own about 8 guitars. Sure a 9th one would be nice (oh that Rob Flynn signature Epiphone, it calls to me, as does the Jeff Waters one..), but it isn't in the budget now.

But again good guitars are an 'investment', they appreciate.

My 85 stratocaster was about £179 in 1993 when i saved up every penny i had for the bugger. Its worth a lot more than that now.

And i dont want to even *think* about how much my Marshall 2150 amp is these days, I was offered hundreds for it when i took it in for repair in the mid 90s.

That wasnt an 'investment' as such as i was given it by a mate...

Some people just have the opinion that what THEY are interested in is the best thing in the world and that everyone elses pasttimes are stupid.

Im sure he has the same opinion of theatre, stamp collecting and bio-hacking.

I dont think X wing is an "Investment" though.

Maybe if FFG released a limited run of a particular model, with unique cards and then never reprinted, then perhaps in the future if demand was still there, it might be worth a couple of times its original value - If you didnt open it.

I think that holding onto a model for 30 or 40 years and seeing it double or triple in price is not a very good investment for the effort and space it would take up in your house.

Just buy the models and get some enjoyment out of your hobby but leave the investing to the business opportunities.

As i said you're 'investing' money for time and pleasure but if the other guy thinks that a motor vehicle that depreciates the second he drives it off the forecourt is a 'financial' investment he's deluding himself.

I used to rate the 'value' of stuff at

if i used it once, wore it once or got an hours enjoyment out of it for every pound i spent on it it was money well spent.

If i say bought a £30 playstation game and played it once, then thats a poor use of my cash.

Fallout 3 on the other hand cost me £10 an d i played it for about 200 hours

Ive spent 71 whole days on Modern Warfare 2.

Even at a sale price of £30, this works out at 1.7 pence per hour of playing.

But again good guitars are an 'investment', they appreciate.

My 85 stratocaster was about £179 in 1993 when i saved up every penny i had for the bugger. Its worth a lot more than that now.

And i dont want to even *think* about how much my Marshall 2150 amp is these days, I was offered hundreds for it when i took it in for repair in the mid 90s.

That wasnt an 'investment' as such as i was given it by a mate...

No chance that happens to my overmodded monstrosities I do have a factory spec Gibson Flying V from 2014, but that isn't likely to become a collectors item, neither is my Ibanez bass.

Was thinking about this the other day, how people say that X-Wing is so expensive...

But consider how much other hobbies cost and it's not really that bad. Looking at 3 things I am/used to be into...

Golf - Green fee's alone can run between $25 and $100 per 18 holes... The price of a raider for a single game of golf. Then there's the cost of clubs, a decent set will cost $500 or more. So a set of clubs and 6 games would be over $1,000.

Then there's RC airplanes a decent plane will be an easy $150-250, more if you go with Jets or gas powered and a decent radio is $50-75 or more. This being a hobby that is very dependent on the weather... Too much win and you can't fly safely. Oh and there's also the insurance that you really need which runs $75 or so a year.

Then there's Airsoft, anything that's actually worth using is going to be $250+ with the really nice guns going for $500-$750, and the kit you really need to have will run you at least another $150 or more.

But then there's other ones that are much, much cheaper, like Discgolf which is my other main hobby, for that I spent $100-150 or so over the last 3 years and that's it. The courses are free, and you can actually get by a lot cheaper than I do.

neither is my Ibanez bass.

I play a Ibanez bass, it's a SR150, but I think I got lucky. I bought it used but have been told by everyone who's picked it up that it's one of the nicer bass' they've played and are shocked when they find out what I paid for it.

I even had a pro tell me he almost liked it better then is Musicman for playing speed metal.

I've got an early 1970s 'lawsuit' gibson SG made by 'sumerland brothers' or 'sumbro' in the original ibanez factories.

Its a real beauty and I think its as good as a genuine SG and a lot of my friends are quite jealous of it.

They called them 'lawuits' because gibson had to take them to court over making identical looking guitars but they are incredibly well made.

The point at the time though was to import 'famous' styles of guitars to europe where actually getting a real fender or gibson was difficult.

So i sort of own an ibanez, but its a sumbro that looks like a gibson.

It cost me about £100 in the 1990s and again, i think because they are quite interesting and collectable its probably at least doubled in value.

On a side note i tend to use Boss effects pedals in my band, these dont appreciate in value but they dont lose much when you sell them on either!

the one in this pic isnt mine but its pretty similar, i actually think mine has a nicer glossier oxblood finish

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5067/5621707552_c6203e2bf1_b.jpg

neither is my Ibanez bass.

I play a Ibanez bass, it's a SR150, but I think I got lucky. I bought it used but have been told by everyone who's picked it up that it's one of the nicer bass' they've played and are shocked when they find out what I paid for it.

I even had a pro tell me he almost liked it better then is Musicman for playing speed metal.

Mine is the SR370. Payed 370€ for it and I am just blown away by its quality. It is beautiful and a pure pleasure to play. Instruments of that price range probably won't go up in value, though. At least thats what i assume.

Instruments of that price range probably won't go up in value, though.

Unlikely, I think I paid $120 or so for mine used. It was supposed to be a starter and I'd buy something nice later when I got better. But it's so nice I've never bothered to upgrade. I'd have to spend %500+ to get something that was enough better to make it worth it.

But I didn't buy it to sell, I bought it to play.

Well being 50 and have been gaming for a long time. I enjoy the hobby. For the most part it keeps me out of trouble whether it is Battletech or X-wing gaming is a fun hobby. I am also learning how to play Bass but thinking of actually ending that as gaming does take up most of my time.

Judge your purchases on what they're worth to you, it should be neither here nor there what value anyone else sees in them.

Outside of friends and family my main love in life is film. I've got a DVD / Blu-ray collection of somewhere over 2500 titles that I've paid an average of between £10 - £15 each for over the years. Other than a few notable exceptions, I'd probably struggle to get back more than £2 to £3 each at most if I decided to sell them, but I don't care in the slightest. To me, they're priceless.

The experiences and memories you get from whatever hobby you decide to spend your money and more importantly time on are worth far more than any potential future return.

I agree 100%. While opening our new blisters we are again childs enjoying our new toys. I am happy playing x wing with my friends, some beer and Soccer in the TV. No Far East touristic tour, ot luxury BMW. Not my taste.

2.500 films...wouuuuuhhhhh!!!! Mine's is only 350...

Being 50+, the body is not as youthful as it could be but I have the opportunity to keep the mind youthful, these types of investments are important for that however our wisdom will keep these investments (time, money and space) to the appropriate level (low level ha ha ha chuckle)

Nice to see another 40+ here... I collect these toys and I play with my kids and wife as often as I can. Time together is the investment that I choose to make.

40+ here, too. Compared to all the $ I poured into the GW coffers (TAKE MY MONEY!!), what I have spent on X-Wing is minor. And I spend too much. But, I get much pleasure from this game.

I had a parent of two of the boys in my Scout troop tell me their sons had bought six more ships. I apologized halfheartedly (this is an awesome game) but he stopped me and said "No, this is getting thme to do something together, they are spending time together". Win-win for me right there.