Hi,

There is a popular list on my local store, which is the list with Carnor Vader and Soontir.

It is a really difficult to beat list, so i would want to know recommendations of lists and strategies to beat that list using the empire.

Here the list to beat :-)

100 points:

TIE Interceptor: Soontir Fel (27 + 8)
+ Push the Limit (3)
+ Royal Guard Tie (0)
+ Autothrusters (2)
+ Stealth Device (3)

TIE Interceptor: Carnor Jax (26 + 8)
+ Push the Limit (3)
+ Royal Guard Tie (0)
+ Autothrusters (2)
+ Stealth Device (3)

TIE Advanced: Darth Vader (29 + 2)
+ Veteran Instincts (1)
+ TIE/x 1 (0)
+ Adv. Targeting Computer (1)

Thank you!

palp lists do well

Omega leader nullifies Fels tokens

they dont like wampa

so maybe put those three ideas into:

OMG+palp+SJ

omega+juke+comms

wampa

saber +AT+crack shot

leaves three points for: APL, twin ion. initiative

Dont do the previous poster's rec. I don't think it'll work that well.

Go for suicide Chiraneau:

VI Darth Vader EU Rebel Captive Mara Jade

two single stress options. Vs Soontir, you just blop him with a Vader crit.

Pair with any ace you like.

Carnor, Soontir, Whisper

Mara Jade does not affect soontir or carnor (it doesn't cause any stress to those who have it already), and if your opponent is smart, he'll shoot with Vader first, taking a rebel captive stress and making mara absolutely pointless.

Chiraneau w/ VI, vader, gunner & engine = 59

Whisper w/ VI, FCS, intel agent & ACD = 40

99

This will work better. Use gunner + vader combo liberally to kill vader and fel with crits (Fel first preferrably, but in either order is fine). Once those two are dead, Whisper can handle Carnor by herself. Assuming his Vader has VI, the only tricky part will be keeping your Whisper away from his Vader in the opening. Once his Vader locks onto Chiraneau, then Whisper can move freely.

Dont do the previous poster's rec. I don't think it'll work that well.

Go for suicide Chiraneau:

VI Darth Vader EU Rebel Captive Mara Jade

two single stress options. Vs Soontir, you just blop him with a Vader crit.

Pair with any ace you like.

Carnor, Soontir, Whisper

This guy needs to learn game dynamics...was going to point this out but blade did it for me

Fly poe with veteran instincts R2d2 or marinda with a tlt and stressbot

Either way, throw a stressbot in your list that'll shut him down pretty quick

Double stress a interceptor is a dead interceptor.

With three of them on the board he'll be hard pressed to avoid the stressbot

Agreed that a Decimator is your best bet. Pair with Vader for unblockable critical hits, and Rebel Captive to mess with whichever ace shoots first.

If the Fell player cant dodge a stressbot's arc then he needs to put Fel back in his box

Agreed that a Decimator is your best bet. Pair with Vader for unblockable critical hits, and Rebel Captive to mess with whichever ace shoots first.

Deci vader is a great option. i nthe current meta id avoid whisper...VI Poe will make mince meat of whisper

If the Fell player cant dodge a stressbot's arc then he needs to put Fel back in his box

With three interceptors your bound to get one or two of them in arc

Plus it puts him into a position of trying to keep his distance away from it, making him change his game. Enough that maybe he'll make a mistake or you can trap him

Which is why I also suggested poe or marinda

Veteran instincts poe will catch those interceptors plus the aid from the stressbot, or marinda will pick away with tlt on a double stressed interceptor.

Not an overly difficult list to beat if your prepared

VI Poe is insta-gibbed by vader-Chirpy, leaving Whisper to feed on the unprotected list. IMO Whisper is the best partner for decivader.

Fly poe with veteran instincts R2d2 or marinda with a tlt and stressbot

Either way, throw a stressbot in your list that'll shut him down pretty quick

Double stress a interceptor is a dead interceptor.

With three of them on the board he'll be hard pressed to avoid the stressbot

I dont use Rebels, so that will not work for me :-( (stressbot, poe, etc)

I need a competitive imperial list to win those 3 aces.

What about palp+soontir+vader?

Well I just noticed he wants to do it using empire.

Vader shuttle is an idea.

Or Decimator and Vader

Could try goods old fashion tie swarm. If your goods at blocking and predict movements.

Whisper could be tough if fel gets to move last

Maybe rear Admiral chiro with Vader gunner and Rebel captive

Whisper is great if she gets to move after fel.

Not so great if she doesn't

Plus you have to know how to use Phantoms well.

Whisper will not not net you a win just because she is there.

If fel gets to shoot before whisper that could also be bad as she only has two green dice and jax could make that worse.

I don't think whisper is the answer unless your use to flying Phantoms

Decimator and Vader gunner Rebel captive and a good escort may work

Fly poe with veteran instincts R2d2 or marinda with a tlt and stressbot

Either way, throw a stressbot in your list that'll shut him down pretty quick

Double stress a interceptor is a dead interceptor.

With three of them on the board he'll be hard pressed to avoid the stressbot

I dont use Rebels, so that will not work for me :-( (stressbot, poe, etc)

I need a competitive imperial list to win those 3 aces.

What about palp+soontir+vader?

If you use proxy cards for unreleased stuff could try vessery with crackshot and tractor beam.

I beaten palshuttle, Vader and fel with three scimitar all with Tactician, on them and vessery, only lost 1 game so far with this build

If you don't care about making friends, doomdeci (Vader gunner)

If you do, doom shuttle

I keep hearing the siren call of 'All stick, No Carrot' for my next tourney. A horrible brilliant list.

Chirpy with VI, EU, Gunner and Vader

WHisper with ACD, VI & FCS

2pt initiative bid for Poe players.

I keep hearing the siren call of 'All stick, No Carrot' for my next tourney. A horrible brilliant list.

Chirpy with VI, EU, Gunner and Vader

WHisper with ACD, VI & FCS

2pt initiative bid for Poe players.

VI poe is PS 10

your initiative bid is futile

It's for cheri

At least I hope it's cheri and not tweety's delinquent cousin what stole a decimator

Decimator with Vader and Gunner crushes Soontir PDQ. Same for any interceptor. VI Chiraneau for extra goodness; they don't get to go first. It doesn't matter if he's unhittable (indeed, it's potentially BETTER if he's unhittable) when you can spend 1/4 of your HP to throw two crits on him which have a solid chance of doing major badness to him and a not-inconsiderable chance of killing him outright via Major Explosions and Direct Hits etc.

Alternatively a build I've really struggled against: Chiraneau/VI/Palpatine/Gunner/Engine Upgrade, Vader/X1/ATC/VI/Engine Upgrade. PS10 and 11, and the average roll given range 1 (which they of course have an excellenct chance of getting with that manouevrability) is h/h/c/c. It's incredibly painful, and Vader can turtle up like... well, like Soontir... if you try to focus fire him, with focus/evade/Palpatine and 3+ dice, it's incredibly tough to even land a hit.

Bust out dual Decimators. Depending on what your local meta is like, you can do a throw away Deci w/ Vader and Gunner for Aces. If you're going to see a lot of swarms, I'd recommend bringing Oicunn and slapping Vader on him.

From there, my preference goes to RAC, though you'd be surprised how much damage Kenkirk can avoid, especially kitted out defensively.

Doomshuttle, swarm.

Defenders

Doomshuttle and 3-4 scimitar all with prox mines

It's just fun either way

You can fly Chiri without losing friends (gunner + vader) by using Chiri as blocker (mandatory EU).

Add PTL+ Ysanne + Proximity mines for extra insurance.

Hi,

Thank you for all the answers.

I am not used to phantoms. And also, if i want to cloak before soontir shoots the phantom, it need to move after the other soontir and the other vader...

So if i have to take another ace, what about decivader + soontir?

The problem i see is that decimator on the first shoot round, will take easy 7 hits against carnor+vader+soontir.. And then if I use Vader to throw crits, it will not last...

What should be the strategy?

On the other hand, what do you think about palpmobile+soontir+vader against those 3 aces? (carnor, vader, soontir).

Could it work? Or is it better decivader+other ace?

Thank you.

The problem i see is that decimator on the first shoot round, will take easy 7 hits against carnor+vader+soontir.. And then if I use Vader to throw crits, it will not last...

What should be the strategy?

With the Chiraneau/Whisper list you don't expect the Decimator to last more than two or three rounds. You need to use it to take down the biggest threat in your opponents list and let Whisper clean up the rest.

Edit - Oh! And you need to hope to God that your green dice hold up! The last two times I've flown this list I've lost Whisper to a five blank evade dice roll