If the hyperdrive is supposed to turn off if the spaceship hits gravity how were they able to jump to inside starkillers athmosphere?

well since the new movie all does away with the "han lied to country bumpkins" explenation (because lucas is a poor writer isn't a satisfactory in universe explanation) only the "skirting close to black holes = less distance/parsecs" explanation remains.

Han was able to do this because the millenium falcons hyperdrive doesn't turn off when it hits a gravity well. thus interdictors cannot grab it out of hyperspace or stop it leaving.

the millenium falcon is a deathtrap.

Star Wars never went through a detailed explanation of how all their technology works, I'd be surprised if they started now.

I didn't care for that, but whatever, I didn't write the movie, and it was a small thing.

But your logic is fine.

the millenium falcon is a deathtrap.

Wait, that's a new development?

Well theoretically something which could travel faster than light ("she'll make .2 past light speed") could escape a black hole. In addition not all black holes are created equal. The distance to the event horizon of a black hole varies with its total mass (some are easier to escape than others).

Star Wars never went through a detailed explanation of how all their technology works, I'd be surprised if they started now.

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I thought the whole falcon jumping out of light speed into the star killers atmosphere was just far too easy. It's kind of like they couldn't come up with a good way for them to get onto the planet and disable the shield so they just said screw it, they come out of hyperspace under the shield. If the falcon could have done that in ROTJ couldn't they have just come out of hyperspace inside the Death Star's shield and flown right into the uncompleted Death Star....

That being said there were a lot of things done that don't make sense especially showing the Star Killers red beam visible from Takodanna's surface blowing up the Hosnian System....It would have to be at least several light years away even if it was a neighboring system which according to the newly released maps in one of the books it is not. Even at just a light year away you wouldn't be able to see the beam explode several planets that far away and for some reason if the beam was bright enough to be seen it would take a year for the light to travel to Takodanna to be seen by Finn....Anyway just because it makes no sense doesn't mean it wasn't an awesome movie. I really enjoyed the movie even with such idiotic inclusions as those.

If the hyperdrive is supposed to turn off if the spaceship hits gravity how were they able to jump to inside starkillers athmosphere?

well since the new movie all does away with the "han lied to country bumpkins" explenation (because lucas is a poor writer isn't a satisfactory in universe explanation) only the "skirting close to black holes = less distance/parsecs" explanation remains.

Han was able to do this because the millenium falcons hyperdrive doesn't turn off when it hits a gravity well. thus interdictors cannot grab it out of hyperspace or stop it leaving.

the millenium falcon is a deathtrap.

I've been thinking about this as well. That part of the new movie effectively changed the understood interaction between gravity wells and hyperspace travel in the Star Wars universe. I wonder what that will mean for the Interdictors.

It's only when you hit unexpected gravity wells that your ship drops out of hyperspace. For expected gravity wells, make sure you've turned the safeties off, locked your tray table, and brought your seat to a full upright position.

I thought the whole falcon jumping out of light speed into the star killers atmosphere was just far too easy. It's kind of like they couldn't come up with a good way for them to get onto the planet and disable the shield so they just said screw it, they come out of hyperspace under the shield. If the falcon could have done that in ROTJ couldn't they have just come out of hyperspace inside the Death Star's shield and flown right into the uncompleted Death Star....

That being said there were a lot of things done that don't make sense especially showing the Star Killers red beam visible from Takodanna's surface blowing up the Hosnian System....It would have to be at least several light years away even if it was a neighboring system which according to the newly released maps in one of the books it is not. Even at just a light year away you wouldn't be able to see the beam explode several planets that far away and for some reason if the beam was bright enough to be seen it would take a year for the light to travel to Takodanna to be seen by Finn....Anyway just because it makes no sense doesn't mean it wasn't an awesome movie. I really enjoyed the movie even with such idiotic inclusions as those.

the beam is shot trough hyperspace, so the light can be seen because it is faster than light. like a car that is going 100 miles per hour is faster than one going 50

Star Wars never went through a detailed explanation of how all their technology works, I'd be surprised if they started now.

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Orly?

In the book they disabled and overrid yhe hyper drive so it keep firing even while in a gavity well.

As for the black hole the falcon could escape one as it wouldn't be able to enter hyperspace while in the event horizon. The ships only travel faster then light when they enter hyperspace which is almost a different dimension.

The starkiller based used dark energy not the sun in the book and the energy beam traveled in a realm between real space and hyper space. This lets it travel the vast distance at even faster speed while be visible. As for other system seeing it, i chalk that up to story telling and such

If the hyperdrive is supposed to turn off if the spaceship hits gravity how were they able to jump to inside starkillers athmosphere?

well since the new movie all does away with the "han lied to country bumpkins" explenation (because lucas is a poor writer isn't a satisfactory in universe explanation) only the "skirting close to black holes = less distance/parsecs" explanation remains

I'd read somewhere that the kessel run was a dangerous trip so a linear distance actually just means he cut through the middle (or closer to) where most pilots would go around instead. That also makes sense in Force Awakens when another distance is given as 'speed'.

That makes perfect sense to me and how I choose to look at it.

Well theoretically something which could travel faster than light ("she'll make .2 past light speed") could escape a black hole. In addition not all black holes are created equal. The distance to the event horizon of a black hole varies with its total mass (some are easier to escape than others).

Are you sure? My understanding is that space-time is so warped that it isn't about light being too slow to escape, it's that all paths lead closer to the black hole.

It's star wars

You should always try harde to find possible explanations before calling something dumb or wrong.

Perhaps the transformation of the planet made it lose most of its gravity well? So it didnt strech to the shield barrier and you could exploit that?

You should always try harde to find possible explanations before calling something dumb or wrong.

Perhaps the transformation of the planet made it lose most of its gravity well? So it didnt strech to the shield barrier and you could exploit that?

sorry who called anything dumb or wrong?

maybe me your explanation now, but then we have a chronological issue.

Maybe it works by tricking nav computers into thinking they're off course. There shouldn't be a celestial body here! Better drop out of hyperspace! And smugglers know that because there's so much debris in space they can't turn these safety features off because that'll blow them up good when there's a real rock in the way.

In developing methods of combating the Interdictor the Rebellion developed a means of allow ships to use their hyperdrives into a planet's atmosphere.

Happy accident.

Huzzah for research and development.

P.S. I did just make that up and have no canonical "facts" to support my hypothesis.

Well theoretically something which could travel faster than light ("she'll make .2 past light speed") could escape a black hole. In addition not all black holes are created equal. The distance to the event horizon of a black hole varies with its total mass (some are easier to escape than others).

Are you sure? My understanding is that space-time is so warped that it isn't about light being too slow to escape, it's that all paths lead closer to the black hole.

Yes, that's more science fiction than science fact. Though conceptually they aren't that different. I black hole is formed by the exhaustion of all fusionable material within a super massive star. It collapses in on itself until you have a huge amount of gravity in a tiny tiny space. They can vary in mass. The event horizon is the point at which nothing, not even light can escape the gravity of the black hole. The greater the mass of the black hole the further the event horizon from the black hole. We know of nothing which can exceed the speed of light so that speed is the best information we have about black holes and escaping their event horizon. Gravity is the force they use.

It's only when you hit unexpected gravity wells that your ship drops out of hyperspace. For expected gravity wells, make sure you've turned the safeties off, locked your tray table, and brought your seat to a full upright position.

That would be my interpretation as well. Gravity wells prevent the jump to lightspeed, and hyperdrives have failsafes that pull a ship out of hyperspace. Han (or, more likely, Chewie) could have adjusted the failsafe to kick in at just the right moment to get into Starkiller's shield bubble.

It's star wars

That too.

If the hyperdrive is supposed to turn off if the spaceship hits gravity how were they able to jump to inside starkillers athmosphere?

well since the new movie all does away with the "han lied to country bumpkins" explenation (because lucas is a poor writer isn't a satisfactory in universe explanation) only the "skirting close to black holes = less distance/parsecs" explanation remains.

Han was able to do this because the millenium falcons hyperdrive doesn't turn off when it hits a gravity well. thus interdictors cannot grab it out of hyperspace or stop it leaving.

the millenium falcon is a deathtrap.

I've been thinking about this as well. That part of the new movie effectively changed the understood interaction between gravity wells and hyperspace travel in the Star Wars universe. I wonder what that will mean for the Interdictors.

Yeah the gravity well projectors work by triggering a safety system in ships designed to stop them from flying into the mass shadows of stellar objects. The safety does this by detecting gravity wells and dropping the ship from hyper or preventing jumps when there is enough of a gravity well to indicate that the ship is near a star, planet or black hole. Disable the safety and a long as you don't actually hit a mass shadow you are ok. It has always worked that way. Which is why there was a case in legends where a ship with damage that knocked out the safety jumped into a planet, and one in canon where a ship with a damaged hyperdrive jumped inside a planet's atmosphere and almost flew into a star before they could cut the drive..

If the hyperdrive is supposed to turn off if the spaceship hits gravity how were they able to jump to inside starkillers athmosphere?

Because JJ.

He doesn't understand that doing certain things fundamentally breaks how a setting works, or worse, maybe doesn't care. He had interstellar distance beaming in his first Star Trek film, and further compounds the error in the second by having them make small transporters the size of a large sports holdall based on the same technology. This meant that you couldn't try and handwave what happened in the first film as being a one off event, and suddenly no one needs space ships anymore... That and he cured death in Into Darkness. These two things break the setting that Star Trek exists in, and he introduced them without a single thought (and will probably just have to be inexplicably ignored in the future films). The fact that he would come up with hyperspacing into a gravity well doesn't surprise me, as he will not have thought of the implications.

Technically the rules had only ever been established in "Legends", ie the EU, so he is not breaking canon as the EU isn't canon. However, he hasn't thought of the implications, which the EU had and so had established those rules.

I thought the whole falcon jumping out of light speed into the star killers atmosphere was just far too easy. It's kind of like they couldn't come up with a good way for them to get onto the planet and disable the shield so they just said screw it, they come out of hyperspace under the shield. If the falcon could have done that in ROTJ couldn't they have just come out of hyperspace inside the Death Star's shield and flown right into the uncompleted Death Star....

That being said there were a lot of things done that don't make sense especially showing the Star Killers red beam visible from Takodanna's surface blowing up the Hosnian System....It would have to be at least several light years away even if it was a neighboring system which according to the newly released maps in one of the books it is not. Even at just a light year away you wouldn't be able to see the beam explode several planets that far away and for some reason if the beam was bright enough to be seen it would take a year for the light to travel to Takodanna to be seen by Finn....Anyway just because it makes no sense doesn't mean it wasn't an awesome movie. I really enjoyed the movie even with such idiotic inclusions as those.

The seeing a planet getting blown up with your bare eyes is also something he did in Star Trek (Spock watching Vulcan's destruction from a different planet, which was probably in a different star system), as well as being able to see Qo'nos (the Klingon homeworld) with bare eyes from the edge of Klingon space. That should also not have been possible, unless Klingon space only occupied an area less than our solar system... and he had Praxis literally touching the planet. Erg... I had forgotten these gaffs until now. He clearly doesn't have a sense of scale, but I don't think he is even that dumb about scale in space. I think this is a deliberate "artistic" choice of his, to go **** you to science, and have some "impressionistic" visuals. Just breaks my suspension of disbelief frankly.

On the point of going through the shield, I had been more under the impression that they navigated around the shield, that it wasn't a full bubble, but a covering one (more like the Endor shield, where they walked in under the edges of it). Still highly unlikely, but might explain why it wasn't possible at Endor.

the beam is shot trough hyperspace, so the light can be seen because it is faster than light. like a car that is going 100 miles per hour is faster than one going 50

I have seen that argument elsewhere, and ok, I can just about get behind it... however, they will still be so far away that the planets wouldn't be visible, even if the light coming from them was travelling through hyperspace, as they are so small (you can technically see Mars with the naked eye, but most people wouldn't notice if it suddenly disappeared from the sky). Instead the planets are so large it would suggest they are orbiting each other, which we know they aren't. No, there is no way to save this, JJ just gives no **** about scale in space, and any kind of "realism" in a film.

Ok, to clear up the black hole misconception. Light can and does escape from black holes, even past the event horizon. Specifically, light produced by the black hole via "black body radiation"(think Predator vision for example of black body radiation). Reason for escape is the light is heading directly away from the black hole.

Light outside the event horizon escapes, and is actually used by astronomers (gravitational lensing).

Now, as to an in universe explanation, they simply made a highly illegal and insanely dangerous modification by disabling the likely innate safety stop. Reason for the safety stop: hitting an object at relativistic speeds is like shooting and apple with a bullet. It doesn't work out well for the apple, or a planet in Star Wars. Of course, there would be no need for Death Stars or Star Killers if this was included in universe.

Yeah the gravity well projectors work by triggering a safety system in ships designed to stop them from flying into the mass shadows of stellar objects. The safety does this by detecting gravity wells and dropping the ship from hyper or preventing jumps when there is enough of a gravity well to indicate that the ship is near a star, planet or black hole. Disable the safety and a long as you don't actually hit a mass shadow you are ok. It has always worked that way. Which is why there was a case in legends where a ship with damage that knocked out the safety jumped into a planet, and one in canon where a ship with a damaged hyperdrive jumped inside a planet's atmosphere and almost flew into a star before they could cut the drive..

This isn't how they "always" worked. I've never heard of these cases that you speak of, but originally the Legends Lore was that a gravity well literally PULLED a ship out of hyperspace. That was the original explanation. If it has been retconned now, it is what it is.

Technically the rules had only ever been established in "Legends", ie the EU, so he is not breaking canon as the EU isn't canon. However, he hasn't thought of the implications, which the EU had and so had established those rules.

Well this is the real point. Since it was never established anywhere except Legends originally, then they can do what they want. What I wonder about is, now that the Legends rule of a gravity well pulling a ship out of hyperspace is gone, how does an Interdictor work, since it was originally a Legends craft? Apparently it's retconned as above. Sounds a bit like a change for 'artistic license' that they had to come up with an explanation for.