I have 18 people signed up for my Armada League at the Sentry Box.

We only play every 2 weeks, but I normally get 6-8 players out... When it comes to an actual tournament, we bit 20+ players for each of the two Sullust events we held, and the rest have never been less than 16 players...

... We're already considering on the Sundays and Tournaments getting out on the Sentry Box Twitch stream with Armada as well as the current X-Wing.... Which will be awesome ,since that Sentry Box Stream always involves dynamic overlays and commentators...

So its very hard to look at your local area and make a Call "Is it good or not?"

You need to look at the Distributor network at the very least, because outside of the United States, FFG has exclusive Distribution rights with only a handful of Companies... Canada is serviced by Lion Rampant, for example...

So when they come back and say "Hey we can barely keep this stuff in stock and it sells second only to X-Wing", you figure its probably not a bust...


Ohey, so I found the link for Spring 2015:

We're 12 months on. I highly doubt thigns will have changed much due to Wave 2 being released in the meantime, but it does mean we may be up for an update soon and we can see:

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/182883-top-5-non-collectible-miniature-lines/

I've attended 10/12 player events and seen 14 player events in the UK.

Ooh, whereabouts?

I'm trying like hell to build Armada locally. But it's probably less than a dozen people who own into it. Our first tournament next Sunday will be a good test of interest. Sadly work has really dampened my ability to get to the store and demo/practice/teach others for a few months now.

X Wing is absolutely more accessible. The player base here is at least two dozen I know of and we always get 8-14 for every tournament. It's quick, and easy. Especially at the FLGS where the focus is more about fun than running all meta lists to crush everyone.

I still can live with no Armada info, mostly because I'm so busy I'm rarely playing it. But I can understand the frustration. It'd be nice to hear something, not even ship related. With myself getting back into X Wing since the local store just opened a few months ago, my dollar is stretched thin. I can deal with one release a year 110%.

I had to sell a Magic Card collection to afford Wave 2.

I'm only hoping commission painting can pay for Wave 3, on top of the usual business expenses, until I can get the casting off the ground.

What are you casting?

For Armada, the intention is Full Ship Command Decks, smaller command trays, as well as replacement tokens.

But other supplies such as Resin bases I used to sell back when I was living in Australia, and, assuming I get my 3D Printer access back at some stage, perhaps even custom game pieces such as my own Custom BattleMechs for BTech. Nothing that steps on any official toes, and certainly not recasting anything of anyone elses... All my own work.

At the moment though, its just the commission painting... At least until I can build the capital to fill out the rest of the requisite business supplies and then look at the ol' drum of resin again

Well stores not having Armada on shelves is hardly an indicator of anything. Stores are limited to the supply in the store and how the store manages its stock. Online stores are the true indicator of availability as they are only limited by the availability of products from the suppliers which is a direct indicator of how much of any product has actually been printed. They do not need to depend on what they store in their warehouses, they can effectively sell a product they don't have, order it from the supplier and have it sent directly to the customer which is a common practice at least in Europe.

It was one of the biggest selling games (for Distributors) of 2015... We had that announced last year at some point... Right after X-Wing being #1, and Warmachine coming in the spots afterwards...

Yeah that report is not entirely accurate its been "adapted" by a lot of blogs. That order counts if the filter is New, Non-Collectable miniatures games and its only accurate if you count the spring of 2015 not the entire year. The reports for the year are not out yet. Suffice to say that when FFG makes a new Star Wars Miniature games its a forgone conclusion that it will be a best seller on release, everyone is going to buy it and try it. It was probably the best selling table top game at that moment just from pre-orders alone.

The question is whether or not its going to grow into a self-sustained miniatures game and hobby. That's something that will be tested in 2016 but I assure you that if Armada was really the best selling game they had, we would be in a constant state of announcements and bombarded with information without break in the same way we are with X-Wing. There hasn't been a moment in X-Wing since release where there wasn't something waiting to be released. The moment something is published, something new is announced, that's the mark of a game that has sustained.

I'm not suggesting that Armada is not successful, in fact I hope it is because I'm an overzealous super fan of it, but from what I have seen so far it has definitely not been embraced in the same way X-Wing was. There was an initial boom rush, tournament fever and right now it just seems like everything is slowing down and people are going back to X-Wing. I mean in my local area we went from not enough seats to accommodate everyone that wants to participate in tournaments to announcements that there won't be any tournaments until the summer.

I've attended 10/12 player events and seen 14 player events in the UK.

Ooh, whereabouts?

Dark Sphere in London and IBuyWargames in Woking.

All I am advocating here, is that the anecdotal approach is the least representative way of getting some sort of truth out of the matter.

You say its slowing down in your area.

I say its going great guns, further and bigger every week, in my area.

Neither of us is right or wrong.

But the Doom and Gloom of the postings here is entirely anecdotally based... And thus, it should be ignored until there is some solid informational answers out there... But instead, its reposted and reposted and reposted. To the point that the anecdotes are, of course, taken as the Truth.

Its human nature to do it.

It sucks though.

Doom and Gloom postings get us nowhere but discouraging places. They put us in mindspaces that are inherently negative... And when we're in Negative spaces, then we start going further, and we get a posts that are borderline abusive in nature when they are defending or defending against.

" but I assure you that if Armada was really the best selling game they had, we would be in a constant state of announcements and bombarded with information without break in the same way we are with X-Wing. "

I feel I've been over to the X-Wing forums, and honestly, they're not any more positive than the ones we have here... Its disappointing in and of itself.

I've also never claimed that its the best selling game they have. Its not. X-Wing is. And their forums are positively toxic about releases.

But more to the point, its not the best, it was never claimed to be the best, but its up there. At the moment though, they dedicated a week to Star Wars: Rebellion. Its the new thing, and its just a board game, and not likely to get any serious expansions due to the nature of the game - but they're still going to pimp the hell out of it.

I do agree that we can't really make a judgement call on it this year until some data becomes available...

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT.

Problem is, the "Doom and Gloom" Crowd Don't.

And just if you want to hear something about Wave 3, doesn't make you a member of that crowd - its a certain group that seems to be overtly negative.

Do I want people to stop posulating on Wave 3 and what it may contain? No. No I don't want that at all... I want people to find a place and go off to their hearts content to it... But it takes on a different meaning when, rather than a place, it becomes every new place. People create new threads and new topics, rather than posting in existing topics over it - even when the current topic is on, active, and on the front page...

Mind you, I feel the same way about the Super Star Destroyer Threads... I am very glad, that, apart from the occasional leakage, that thread now contains most of the discussion on the SSD possibility - active or not. People can go to one place to discuss it, and those who don't want to, can feasably ignore it rather than feel like 3/4s of the new threads are the same regurgitated negativity.

A discussion is only a discussion when both sides get to reply to each other - and that won't happen when one side is constantly starting discussions all over the map.

Urgh.

I'm old.

I'm jaded.